Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m


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Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m

Postby spikey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:25 pm

It's probably been discussed here before but does anyone have any data on this? I know that Herschel Walker was the heaviest world class 100m sprinter ever.
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Re: Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m

Postby Texas » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:29 pm

spikey wrote:It's probably been discussed here before but does anyone have any data on this? I know that Herschel Walker was the heaviest world class 100m sprinter ever.


Ira Murchison was probably the shortest "great" sprinter at 5-4. Percy Williams might have been the lightest at around 125lbs. Walker did have a few pounds on fellow trackster/footballer Curtis Dickey. Not sure Walker was really "world class" however, while Dickey was world ranked. Tallest ...hmmmm?

Derek Mills and Cliff Wiley (all around sprinter) were tiny 400 guys. Jason Rouser and Arthur Wint at 6-6 probably the tallest.
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Re: Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m

Postby dakota » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:07 am

Ingo Schultz and Florian Schwarthoff were both 6-7.

Andre Cason and Leo Myles-Mills were both about 5-7.

I've seen Olusoji Fasuba listed as everything from 5-5 to 5-8.

Not sure about heaviest sprinters but Darren Campbell and his British team mate KFC probably deserve consideration as the fattest sprinters.

Calvin Smith was quite light I would have thought. John Regis always looked big, but perhaps a bit deceptively though. Tim Montgomery always looked smaller than he was.
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Postby dukehjsteve » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:53 am

For shorties do not forget Mel Pender
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Postby paulthefan » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:55 pm

Murchison was at least 5 5... ... Foy Draper was about 5 4.... Eddie Tolan was 5 6 tops...
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Postby dakota » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:02 pm

paulthefan wrote:Murchison was at least 5 5... ... Foy Draper was about 5 4.... Eddie Tolan was 5 6 tops...


Found this excerpt on ESPN's website:

No. 67 -- Olympic Men's 100, Los Angeles 1932: No closer call ever came in a men's Olympic dash final than the epic match between Ralph Metcalfe and Eddie Tolan. Metcalfe, the 5-foot-11 Marquette star, towered over 5-4 Michigan grad Eddie Tolan. On the track that season, Metcalfe had been equally dominant, never losing to anyone.

Fastest out of the holes (blocks were not widely used at the time) was Japan's Takayoshi Yoshioka, considered one of the greatest starters ever. He was still leading at 40 meters when Tolan pulled even. By 60 meters, Tolan had a clear lead, but Metcalfe began closing fast. The two came to the finish line together, with the rest of the field a yard back.

They crossed in a world record 10.3 (10.38 autotime, in one of the first meets to ever be so timed). Metcalfe's chest actually hit the line first, according to the photo. However, the rules of the time awarded the win to Tolan, because his torso cleared the finish before Metcalfe's did. Amazingly, before those results were even announced, the runners sensed how it would go. Tolan celebrated, while Metcalfe, later a U.S. congressman, "looked dejected," according to writer Wally Donovan.
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Postby Powell » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:45 pm

Nelli Fiere-Cooman was about 5-2, if not shorter.
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Postby Per Andersen » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:54 pm

Flirtisha Harris was 5'. Ran in the high 22s and mid 51? in the mid 90's.
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Postby Pierre-Jean » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:32 pm

Just for 100m

Andres Simon (CUB) 10.06 1m60
Tim Goebel (GER) 10.21 1m99

Monica Twum (GHA) 11.31 1m49
Crystal Cox (USA) 11.31 1m91
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Postby Texas » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:00 am

paulthefan wrote:Murchison was at least 5 5... ... Foy Draper was about 5 4.... Eddie Tolan was 5 6 tops...


I have a book that also mentions Murchison as being 5-4.

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The Olympic games at Melbourne in November attract 3,539 contestants from 67 nations. Soviet athletes win the most medals. The U.S. 400-meter relay team wins the gold medal with help from Chicago-born five-foot-four-inch sprinter Ira Murchison, 23, whom the Russians will call a "human Sputnik" (see exploration, 1957). Seal Beach, Calif.-born diver Patricia J. "Pat" McCormick, now 26, wins the springboard and platform dive events (the only woman in Olympic history to score a "double-double"—two gold medals in each of two Olympiads). Tenley Albright has won her event in the winter games at Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy, becoming the first U.S. woman figure skating gold medalist despite a serious foot injury.
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Postby ppalmer » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:11 am

Texas wrote:
paulthefan wrote:Murchison was at least 5 5... ... Foy Draper was about 5 4.... Eddie Tolan was 5 6 tops...


I have a book that also mentions Murchison as being 5-4.

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The Olympic games at Melbourne in November attract 3,539 contestants from 67 nations. Soviet athletes win the most medals. The U.S. 400-meter relay team wins the gold medal with help from Chicago-born five-foot-four-inch sprinter Ira Murchison, 23, whom the Russians will call a "human Sputnik" (see exploration, 1957). Seal Beach, Calif.-born diver Patricia J. "Pat" McCormick, now 26, wins the springboard and platform dive events (the only woman in Olympic history to score a "double-double"—two gold medals in each of two Olympiads). Tenley Albright has won her event in the winter games at Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy, becoming the first U.S. woman figure skating gold medalist despite a serious foot injury.


These reported heights are always sort of varied. Whatever sources say, I believe Ira M. was closer to 5'4 because I used to see him regularly and he was noticeably shorter than me (about 5'5").

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Postby paulthefan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:50 pm

well i will relinquish my claim of Murchison at 5 5... but not based on someone meeting him in his 60s saying that he was under 5 4... anyone that is 5 4 at 60 was at least 5 5 at 20...

Now if the records are right, Metcalf was 5 11 in 1932 and 5 10 in 1936..
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Postby ppalmer » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:17 am

paulthefan wrote:well i will relinquish my claim of Murchison at 5 5... but not based on someone meeting him in his 60s saying that he was under 5 4... anyone that is 5 4 at 60 was at least 5 5 at 20...

Now if the records are right, Metcalf was 5 11 in 1932 and 5 10 in 1936..


I don't know if you are referring to me, but I assure you that I saw Ira in his 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's.

(I agree with your point about aging: I am no longer 5'5 either).

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Postby paulthefan » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:38 pm

Im sorry to cast unfounded doubts. I stand corrected. Your testimony here is incontrovertible. Murchison 5 4.
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How about the slimmist?

Postby utopian » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:50 am

I am sure that there is some weight to height criteria for this.

The assumption is that relatively heavier muscles equals greater speed. But I believe that some world-class runners were relatively slim.

In the modern era, there is Carl Lewis, but going back, wasn't Mel Patton also slim?

Were there others?
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Postby CookyMonzta » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:22 pm

Powell wrote:Nelli Fiere-Cooman was about 5-2, if not shorter.

I think she was 5'1" (7.00/11.08). So was Alice Brown (10.92/22.41).
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Postby CookyMonzta » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:25 pm

Pierre-Jean wrote:Just for 100m

Andres Simon (CUB) 10.06 1m60
Tim Goebel (GER) 10.21 1m99

Monica Twum (GHA) 11.31 1m49
Crystal Cox (USA) 11.31 1m91


You want tall? Excluding high-jumpers, try 1996 110H bronze medalist Florian Schwarthoff (13.05), at 2.01m (6' 7").
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Postby Jay Peterman » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:58 am

Chioma Ajunwa is 5'3" (1.60m).

A short sprinter, but I can't think of ashorter top-class LJer. Anyone?
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Re: Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m

Postby Jay Peterman » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:11 am

Texas wrote:Derek Mills and Cliff Wiley (all around sprinter) were tiny 400 guys. Jason Rouser and Arthur Wint at 6-6 probably the tallest.


Excuse the pedantry, but my father met Arthur Wint many years ago, and says no way he's 6'6", maybe 6'4" (my father's 6'8").

How tall were Williams and Riddick? Guess Riddick's about 6'4"?
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Re: How about the slimmist?

Postby Jay Peterman » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:21 am

utopian wrote:I am sure that there is some weight to height criteria for this.

The assumption is that relatively heavier muscles equals greater speed. But I believe that some world-class runners were relatively slim.

In the modern era, there is Carl Lewis, but going back, wasn't Mel Patton also slim?

Were there others?


Saw a good photo in one of Wallechinsky's books of the finish of the 48 OG 200m, and Patton was on the skinny side of slim.

Mennea was also very slim, but had a good pair of thighs on him.

Not quite world class, but Julian Golding is probably the slimmest "top" sprinter I've seen.

My memory tells me Fred Newhouse was short and skinny, but haven't seen a photo of him for years. True?
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Re: Shortest and tallest World Class sprinters 55m-400m

Postby Per Andersen » Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:08 pm

Jay Peterman wrote:
Texas wrote:Derek Mills and Cliff Wiley (all around sprinter) were tiny 400 guys. Jason Rouser and Arthur Wint at 6-6 probably the tallest.


Excuse the pedantry, but my father met Arthur Wint many years ago, and says no way he's 6'6", maybe 6'4" (my father's 6'8").

How tall were Williams and Riddick? Guess Riddick's about 6'4"?

Yes, I always thought Wint was 6' 4 1/2"
I believe Steve Williams was 6' 3 1/2" and Riddick pretty much the same.
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Postby Bruce Kritzler » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:23 pm

Think Enrique Figerola (sp) Cuba, medalist in 60 or 64 Olympic 100m was very short (5-4 to 5-6).
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Postby Andrea_T » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:52 am

Stats vary on athlete's height (I remember Grace Jackon's height varying from 5'10 to 6'1 in different publications)

Tall elite women:

Grace Jackson - generally 1.84cm or 1.85cm (between 6'0 and 6'1)
Katrin Krabbe - 1.82cm (1cm shy of 6'0)
Heike Drechsler - 1.82cm according to her website, 1.81 in other publications
Marie Perec - 1.80cm (just under 5'11)
Marion Jones - 1.78cm (5'10)
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Postby paulthefan » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:14 pm

If we have moved on to women then Gail Devers has to fit in somewhere.
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Postby louise tricard » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:22 pm

i'm checking with ira's coach, george dales, on his height.................(western michigan)
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Postby louise tricard » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:25 pm

wilma was at least 5' 10
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Postby Jay Peterman » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:45 am

Kathy Cooke (25 years as UK w100M record holder, 22 years for 200/400. Still great numbers - 11.10/22.09/49.43) was at least 5'10", if memory serves.

Edit - make that Cook, and 22.10...
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Postby louise tricard » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:01 am

coach dales says ira was no taller than 5' 2"
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