Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?


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Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby bushop » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:42 am

Who are the candidates? ... favorites?
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby Pego » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:43 am

Pelé would be on my short list.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby kuha » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:44 am

To save energy, we should just copy and paste our arguments for 2012.

Roger Bannister!
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby Daisy » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:50 am

kuha wrote:To save energy, we should just copy and paste our arguments for 2012.

Roger Bannister!

Billy Mills?
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby Daisy » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:51 am

Pego wrote:Pelé would be on my short list.

I suspect Pelé will get a lot of attention at the world cup and might withdraw a bit for the Olympics. My favourite would be Joaquim Cruz.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby gh » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:10 am

Daisy wrote:
kuha wrote:To save energy, we should just copy and paste our arguments for 2012.

Roger Bannister!

Billy Mills?


stole my smart-assed reaction!
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:42 am

Daisy wrote:
Pego wrote:Pelé would be on my short list.

I suspect Pelé will get a lot of attention at the world cup and might withdraw a bit for the Olympics. My favourite would be Joaquim Cruz.



Nah! Pele would be very happy to highlight at both. The World cup will give him a ton fo attention but the Olympics, especially lighting the torch, would put the spotlight on himfor a while.

Of course like London 2012 it could be something wonderfully different.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby gh » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:51 am

count me as one who didn't find London "wonderfully different"; rather it was a brilliant chance to honor some all-time great(s) that was squandered.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:24 am

gh wrote:count me as one who didn't find London "wonderfully different"; rather it was a brilliant chance to honor some all-time great(s) that was squandered.


Which hasn't happened all that frequently actually at torch lighting ceremonies. Could we say Cathy Freeman was an all-time great prior to Sydney 2000?

Steve Redgrave and many all-time greats were honoured in the opening ceremony. In fact they contributed to the torch lighting by personally picking the young athletes who would form part of the future. However considering the London Olympic was sold and won on the theme of legacy and building for the future it seem right that the future of the sport was highlighted and we didn't keep looking to the past.

As it happens most all-time greats get honoured quite often in their retirements in this day and age. I can't say it's a missed opportunity because there have been plenty.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:35 pm

God I hope they don't pick Pele. I don't think there's a single athlete on earth with a higher opinion of himself than Pele.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:53 pm

JumboElliott wrote:God I hope they don't pick Pele. I don't think there's a single athlete on earth with a higher opinion of himself than Pele.


Carl Lewis?
C. Ronaldo?
Michael Jordan?
Ben Johnson?
Nick Faldo?
Roger Federer

There are a few! I'd wager that while Pele always gravitates towards the spot light he by all accounts I've read of a gentleman and gives his time to his country and to sport.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:13 pm

None of the people you listed with the possible exception of Ben Johnson go out of their way to belittle the accomplishments of their successors. I'm not even a Messi fan, but the degree to which Pele is threatened by him is sad.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby beebee » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:45 pm

JumboElliott wrote:God I hope they don't pick Pele. I don't think there's a single athlete on earth with a higher opinion of himself than Pele.



So does Ali, Gretzky, Jim Brown, Carl Lewis, Jordan....

Anyone but Pele would constitue a high crime.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby HopStepJump » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:39 am

I saw Pele going through the transit area at Heathrow and later in one of the lounges. He seemed to be a very gracious man to me.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Daisy » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:22 am

Is Pelé actually an Olympian? It would be like inviting Beckham to light the flame in London.

And thinking about that, why did the International Olympic Committee select Pelé as 'Athlete of the Century' in 1999?
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby gh » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:32 am

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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Daisy » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:43 am

Brazil have never won an Olympics because I never played


Mmm. Maybe that is out of context but it plays to JumboElliot's point.

And back to IOC picking him as athlete of the century in 1999. This is all over the internet but there is actually nothing official from the IOC on this, that I can find. Is this an urban legend?
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:12 pm

Here's a few other gems:

"Pele doesn't die. Pele will never die. Pele is going to go on for ever."

"Wherever you go, there are three icons that everyone knows: Jesus Christ, Pele and Coca-Cola."

"Every kid around the world who plays soccer wants to be Pele. I have a great responsibility to show them not just how to be like a soccer player, but how to be like a man."
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby uakari » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:53 am

i wouldn't be surprised if they pick one of their volleyball stars.

sad that joao de oliveira is not around...
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Grasshopper » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:19 am

I'd love to see it be the marathoner guy who was way out front with less than 5 miles to go in the '04 Athens Olympic before he was tackled by the crazy Irish priest off his meds.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby JumboElliott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:58 am

Vanderlei de Lima is not a terrible choice.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby CookyMonzta » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:46 am

I have a better one: Joaquim Carvalho Cruz (Los Angeles 1984 800 gold)...

...Unless he has fallen out of favor with the Brazilian and/or international athletic community.
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Re: Who will light the Olympic torch in Rio 2016?

Postby Flumpy » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:35 pm

gh wrote:count me as one who didn't find London "wonderfully different"; rather it was a brilliant chance to honor some all-time great(s) that was squandered.


THIS^^^

Fantastic ceremony marred by shambolic last 20 minutes.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Flumpy » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:40 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Vanderlei de Lima is not a terrible choice.


He's a FABULOUS choice!!!

Let's start the campaign now.:mrgreen:
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby gm » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:27 pm

Torben Grael and Robert Scheidt. They will sail into the port of Rio and from their yacht they will fire off a laser cannon at the Maracana!
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby gh » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:44 pm

Flumpy wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Vanderlei de Lima is not a terrible choice.


He's a FABULOUS choice!!!

Let's start the campaign now.:mrgreen:


You're both kidding, right?
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:41 pm

gh wrote:You're both kidding, right?

I doubt it. They probably want the Irish priest chasing him through the stadium too.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby az2004 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:32 am

cruz would make our Oregon friends happy, but soccer futbool is the only sport that matters in brasil, and pele can be considererd to be the usain bolt of thet sport for them, although if neyhamr wins wc next year, then neymar has a chance
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby 18.99s » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:53 pm

Oscar Schmidt. 5 Olympics, averaging 28.8 points per game.
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby Flumpy » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:29 am

gh wrote:
Flumpy wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Vanderlei de Lima is not a terrible choice.


He's a FABULOUS choice!!!

Let's start the campaign now.:mrgreen:


You're both kidding, right?


No.

Ideally I'd have de Lima bring the torch into the stadium and whilst half way round the track Joaquim Cruz would jump out of the crowd and push Vanderlei off the track, grab the torch and carry on to light the flame!!! :lol:
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:33 am

JumboElliott wrote:None of the people you listed with the possible exception of Ben Johnson go out of their way to belittle the accomplishments of their successors.

:? Have you heard the things Lewis has said about Bolt? Did you hear Jordan's Hall of Fame inductance speech?
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Cruz or Schmidt?

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:48 pm

Joaquim Cruz should be one of the favourites to light the Olympic flame in 2016. According to his wikipedia article he "was a torchbearer and lit the flame cauldron at the 2007 Pan American Games in Rio de Janeiro". Will this go against him?
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Re: Cruz

Postby AS » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:03 pm

I'd be stunned if it wasn't a soccer/football god...
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Re: Cruz

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:05 pm

AS wrote:I'd be stunned if it wasn't a soccer/football god...

It would be a shame to have a non Olympian.
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Re: Cruz

Postby AS » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:10 pm

Another alternative would be their Basketball legend Oscar Schmidt (only man to score 1000+ pts at Olympics - he played in 5)... never won a medal but is a legend (and with cancer battle in full swing apparently)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Schmidt
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Re: Cruz

Postby Daisy » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:22 pm

I had not heard of Schmidt. He would be a far better choice than Pele. From his wikipedia article:
Olympic Basketball's all-time leader in points scored:
    1,094 career points scored - 28.8 points per game
3x Olympic Basketball Top Scorer:
    Seoul 1988 - 41.9 points per game
    Barcelona 1992 - 24.8 points per game
    Atlanta 1996 - 27.4 points per game
Most points scored in a game at the Olympics - 55 against Spain, 24 September 1988 (lost 118-110)
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Re: Who will light Rio's Olympic Cauldron in 2016?

Postby bambam » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Schmidt was incredibly dominant in scoring - here is the Olympic basketball top 10 scoring games for men (thru 2008 only - haven't updated recently for 2012)

Most Points, Game, Men, Individual
55 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1988, v. Spain)
48 Edward Palubinskas (AUS-1976, v. Mexico)
46 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1988, v. Puerto Rico)
46 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1988, v. USSR)
45 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1996, v. Puerto Rico)
44 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1988, v. China)
44 Ricardo Duarte (PER-1964, v. Korea)
44 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1992, v. Spain)
41 Arturo Guerrero (MEX-1976, v. Japan)
41 Oscar Schmidt (BRA-1988, v. Canada)
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