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¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby betterthanb4 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:07 am

Lane Athlete Nation PB SB

1 COLLINS Kim SKN 9.97 9.97
2 VICAUT Jimmy FRA 9.95 9.95
3 BAILEY-COLE KemarJAM 9.93 9.93
4 DASAOLU James GBR 9.91 9.91
5 BOLT Usain JAM 9.58 9.77
6 GATLIN Justin USA 9.79 9.85
7 CARTER Nesta JAM 9.78 9.87
8 RODGERS Michael USA 9.85 9.93
9 BLEDMAN Keston TRI 9.86 10.02
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:11 am

This promises to be a good one. Hoping for a few sub 10's. 8-)
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:43 am

About to get underway folks.
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:44 am

Bolt wins In 9.80!!! 8-)
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:46 am

Bolt got a good start this time around.
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby shivfan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:49 am

Men's 100m....

1) Bolt 9.80

2) Rodgers 9.90

3) Carter 9.94

4) Gatlin 9.94

5) KBC 9.98
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:50 am

Sub 10's for almost all. Good race!
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:58 am

The start was not really good for Bolt.
Being optimistic only decent start.
In Zurich was horrible.
But it is Bolt, only him could to make 9.80 with not very good start, few wind +0.6 and only 90% last metres, amazing¡¡¡
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:59 am

Results

Wind:+0.6

1BOLT Usain JAM 9.80 0.180
2 RODGERS Michael USA 9.90 SB 0.188
3 CARTER Nesta JAM 9.94 0.179
4 GATLIN Justin USA 9.94 0.176
5 BAILEY-COLE Kemar JAM 9.98 0.226
6 VICAUT Jimmy FRA 10.03 0.229
7 COLLINS Kim SKN 10.07 0.164
8 DASAOLU James GBR 10.15 0.232
9 BLEDMAN Keston TRI 10.19
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby CookyMonzta » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:37 pm

Nice to see Kim Collins holding 10.0x form, despite having been thrown under the bus twice by his own federation. Can he keep this up for another 3 years to break Troy Douglas' 40+ masters' WR of 10.29?
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby dustoff » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:48 pm

ZELLGADISS wrote:The start was not really good for Bolt.
Being optimistic only decent start.
In Zurich was horrible.
But it is Bolt, only him could to make 9.80 with not very good start, few wind +0.6 and only 90% last metres, amazing¡¡¡


Did we watch the same race? He was near the lead within the first 10-20. Not the fastest, but by no means a bad start. He didn't seem to ease up at all.
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Re: 2013 Van Damme (Brussels) M 100m

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:33 pm

dustoff wrote:
ZELLGADISS wrote:The start was not really good for Bolt.
Being optimistic only decent start.
In Zurich was horrible.
But it is Bolt, only him could to make 9.80 with not very good start, few wind +0.6 and only 90% last metres, amazing¡¡¡


Did we watch the same race? He was near the lead within the first 10-20. Not the fastest, but by no means a bad start. He didn't seem to ease up at all.


Yes i saw the race perfectly.
His start was not really good, but it was a lot of better that in Zurich.
First in 10-20m?¿ did you see in the video when they use camera in the lateral?Bolt is not leading clearly until 2nd half of race....

He had good start the last year in his 9.76 -0.1 Rome or in his 9.79 Oslo.
Now it was not good start, being optimistic only "decent" start.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:59 pm

Can we stop saying that Bolt "had a bad start" because he really didn't by his standards. He's never going to be explosive out of the blocks.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:37 pm

JumboElliot today Bolt did not have bad start.
Bad start was in Zurich, but to tell today that was GOOD start, neither.
Normal or "decent" start only really
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:21 pm

His RT was a little high, I think, but not a big thing; the rest of the start was reasonable.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby zidan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:41 pm

I think he would be saying to us "whatever".
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Jackaloupe » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:13 pm

Geez, all this subjective Good/Bad/Decent stuff, w/ no comparison of RT: Only Vets Gatlin and Collins had better RTs and 0.180 is well within Bolt's norm. Moreover, when he bests notorious StartMeister Rodgers (0.189), that's gotta mean something in an all-other-factors being equal sense. [RTs are by no means comparable in absolute terms, what with Hold Time and other variables affecting the start.]

I suspect that by "Start", Posters are conflating actual Start (out of the blocks) with the first part of the acceleration phase.

Somewhere along the way--before people get carried away predicting Bolt's supposed decline--it'd be useful to see some mid-race splits, along w/ objective analysis of the last 10-20 meters, where I suspect many overestimate the "penalty" for relaxing a bit.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Dixon » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:32 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Geez, all this subjective Good/Bad/Decent stuff, w/ no comparison of RT: Only Vets Gatlin and Collins had better RTs and 0.180 is well within Bolt's norm. Moreover, when he bests notorious StartMeister Rodgers (0.189), that's gotta mean something in an all-other-factors being equal sense. [RTs are by no means comparable in absolute terms, what with Hold Time and other variables affecting the start.]

I suspect that by "Start", Posters are conflating actual Start (out of the blocks) with the first part of the acceleration phase.

Somewhere along the way--before people get carried away predicting Bolt's supposed decline--it'd be useful to see some mid-race splits, along w/ objective analysis of the last 10-20 meters, where I suspect many overestimate the "penalty" for relaxing a bit.


I have no doubts the big guy is on the decline. His times are telling us that as is his margin of victory. It's not coming as easy for him as it was and it's obvious. Yes he'll always be able to whip up on 9.80/19.7 guys, bummer his real rivals are busted/hurt.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Jackaloupe » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:42 pm

Dixon, I have lots of respect for your judgment, but don't agree that current times are very indicative. I might still agree, but based more on subjective views of his lack of that old pullaway drive. Had he run more 200s, I think we'd know more, as too many tiny factors can affect the 100.

Most of all, the whole competitive context has been so contorted this year, what with Yohan Blake's injury, the ousting of Gay and Powell, and the US's dearth of contenders, incl. Ryan's injury.

Seems to me we're all pissing into the wind (Escupiendo para arriba/Spitting into the air, in Spanish, an even more vivid image) with all this tenuous speculation.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby JRM » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:43 pm

Apparently we need some clarification here.

Any/every Bolt race consists of:

1. A bad start
2. A late pick-up, and
3. Easing up before the finish

So, Zell's description is certainly apt, in this case (especially that "90% finish" -- you can obviously tell he wasn't 100%, or even 93.2% -- but certainly more than 88.7%). The poor guy has such bad training that he can't put together a decent race to save his life. Can you imagine what he would do if he had real coaching advice?
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Dixon » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:18 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Dixon, I have lots of respect for your judgment, but don't agree that current times are very indicative. I might still agree, but based more on subjective views of his lack of that old pullaway drive. Had he run more 200s, I think we'd know more, as too many tiny factors can affect the 100.

Most of all, the whole competitive context has been so contorted this year, what with Yohan Blake's injury, the ousting of Gay and Powell, and the US's dearth of contenders, incl. Ryan's injury.

Seems to me we're all pissing into the wind (Escupiendo para arriba/Spitting into the air, in Spanish, an even more vivid image) with all this tenuous speculation.


I've seen this before, it starts just like we are seeing now with Bolt. He's not nailing his start, his legs hurt, he talks of being tired, he's making it clear..."just do enought to win".....then there's the body language and facial expressions. The worst thing that could happen at this stage of his game is 2014. What is he going to do?

Don't get me wrong, he is the greatest sprinter ever.I just like to keep it real and I think talking about WR's and he's going to this n; that....isn't real.

He got real lucky Blake/Gay weren't there in 2013.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby JRM » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:23 pm

Dixon wrote:Don't get me wrong, he is the greatest sprinter ever.I just like to keep it real and I think talking about WR's and he's going to this n; that....isn't real.

He got real lucky Blake/Gay weren't there in 2013.


I agree on all counts. We've seen the last of WR Bolt, or "Wow!" Bolt. What we're in store for over the next year or two is "Do enough to win" Bolt, which will completely uninspire/disillusion fans. By the time he hopes to retire (2016), he'll likely medal, but not Gold.

And if the tea leaves had settled differently this year, we'd already be talking about the "former-champion" Bolt.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Dixon » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:30 pm

JRM wrote:
Dixon wrote:Don't get me wrong, he is the greatest sprinter ever.I just like to keep it real and I think talking about WR's and he's going to this n; that....isn't real.

He got real lucky Blake/Gay weren't there in 2013.


I agree on all counts. We've seen the last of WR Bolt, or "Wow!" Bolt. What we're in store for over the next year or two is "Do enough to win" Bolt, which will completely uninspire/disillusion fans. By the time he hopes to retire (2016), he'll likely medal, but not Gold.

And if the tea leaves had settled differently this year, we'd already be talking about the "former-champion" Bolt.


Glad to see somebody else is seeing what's really going on.

I do think unless Blake returns to form the big guy can still beat up on everyone else. He'll still be running 9.75/19.55 in 2016, only Blake is capable of that. And yes I do believe Blake would have beat him in Moscow. No more...WHOA!!!!!!!!!...for sure, those days are a memory.

I guess it's really not right to talk up Gay.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby shivfan » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:22 am

Woulda, coulda, shoulda....

Tyson Gay's career could possibly be over, after his hearing...we'll see. But it's pointless talking about how "lucky" Bolt is that Gay's not around, since we all know the circumstances surrounding Gay's omission. "Luck" had nothing to do with Gay being out of action....

As for Blake, we can only wait and see if he's the same sprinter when he comes back next year. it's far from certain that Blake will automatically become a 9.7 sprinter on his return....

It is interesting that, despite his scoliosis, Bolt has done a better job of managing his injuries than either Gay or Blake. That is part of what makes a great champion...managing your body, not pushing it to levels where you're injury-prone.

In his interview with the BBC, Bolt had a laugh about his appalling reaction time. The fact is that he doesn't have to try to jump the gun to beat this field. After his DQ in that final two years ago, Glen Mills had told Bolt to sit in the blocks and don't try to get the fastest start, because he has the ability of overhaul his opposition in the last half of the race.

That's why we're seeing more slow starts in Bolt's 100m races these days, and guess what...he still wins in 9.80!
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby Dixon » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:12 am

shivfan wrote:Woulda, coulda, shoulda....

Tyson Gay's career could possibly be over, after his hearing...we'll see. But it's pointless talking about how "lucky" Bolt is that Gay's not around, since we all know the circumstances surrounding Gay's omission. "Luck" had nothing to do with Gay being out of action....

As for Blake, we can only wait and see if he's the same sprinter when he comes back next year. it's far from certain that Blake will automatically become a 9.7 sprinter on his return....

It is interesting that, despite his scoliosis, Bolt has done a better job of managing his injuries than either Gay or Blake. That is part of what makes a great champion...managing your body, not pushing it to levels where you're injury-prone.

In his interview with the BBC, Bolt had a laugh about his appalling reaction time. The fact is that he doesn't have to try to jump the gun to beat this field. After his DQ in that final two years ago, Glen Mills had told Bolt to sit in the blocks and don't try to get the fastest start, because he has the ability of overhaul his opposition in the last half of the race.

That's why we're seeing more slow starts in Bolt's 100m races these days, and guess what...he still wins in 9.80!



You're missing the point. This is a 9.58/19.19 guy here. What I'm saying and a few others is that..THAT...sprinter is gone. Those WR setting days a memory. Nobody is saying he can't beat the current gang of sprinters out there right now. And it did help him that 2012's second, fourth, fifth and sixth ranked sprinters weren't around to challenge him. We'll see a guy trying to play it safe from now on.

Where he used to daze n' amaze he'll now do just enought to win.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby The Flying Pigdog » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:20 am

He got lucky that Tyson wasn't there? Please. I love Tyson as much as the next guy, but he was busted for PEDs, a steroid reportedly. Yeah, Bolt is very lucky that a guy caught cheating wasn't there... :roll:

Blake - is a different story. I think Bolt goes at it harder if he knows Blake is running. He knew he wasn't in WR shape but he didn't need to be. It will be tough for him to approach his 100m WR, but he's still the best. By a lot.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby dustoff » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:10 am

The Flying Pigdog wrote:He got lucky that Tyson wasn't there? Please. I love Tyson as much as the next guy, but he was busted for PEDs, a steroid reportedly. Yeah, Bolt is very lucky that a guy caught cheating wasn't there... :roll:

Blake - is a different story. I think Bolt goes at it harder if he knows Blake is running. He knew he wasn't in WR shape but he didn't need to be. It will be tough for him to approach his 100m WR, but he's still the best. By a lot.


I'll be sure to bookmark this thread & post and revisit in the coming years.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby shivfan » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:28 am

Dixon wrote:
shivfan wrote:Woulda, coulda, shoulda....

Tyson Gay's career could possibly be over, after his hearing...we'll see. But it's pointless talking about how "lucky" Bolt is that Gay's not around, since we all know the circumstances surrounding Gay's omission. "Luck" had nothing to do with Gay being out of action....

As for Blake, we can only wait and see if he's the same sprinter when he comes back next year. it's far from certain that Blake will automatically become a 9.7 sprinter on his return....

It is interesting that, despite his scoliosis, Bolt has done a better job of managing his injuries than either Gay or Blake. That is part of what makes a great champion...managing your body, not pushing it to levels where you're injury-prone.

In his interview with the BBC, Bolt had a laugh about his appalling reaction time. The fact is that he doesn't have to try to jump the gun to beat this field. After his DQ in that final two years ago, Glen Mills had told Bolt to sit in the blocks and don't try to get the fastest start, because he has the ability of overhaul his opposition in the last half of the race.

That's why we're seeing more slow starts in Bolt's 100m races these days, and guess what...he still wins in 9.80!



You're missing the point. This is a 9.58/19.19 guy here. What I'm saying and a few others is that..THAT...sprinter is gone. Those WR setting days a memory. Nobody is saying he can't beat the current gang of sprinters out there right now. And it did help him that 2012's second, fourth, fifth and sixth ranked sprinters weren't around to challenge him. We'll see a guy trying to play it safe from now on.

Where he used to daze n' amaze he'll now do just enought to win.

I agree with you that he probably won't run 9.58 again, but I do think that if he gets everything right, he could come close to 19.19 before he eventually calls it a day....

Nothing wrong with playing it safe when there's no one around the challenge him. He came away with three gold medals again in 2013. It's up to the next group of upcoming sprinters to throw down the gauntlet, and challenge Bolt in 2014...let's see if that happens.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby DJG » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:32 am

My Observations:

Bolt's start: Not bad by any means in comparison with this field, Vicaut (ln 2) and Bailey-Cole (ln3) had bad starts. Collins in lane 1 had the lead at 10 meters, it appeared to me from the YouTube video. Bolt has moved his hands in closer, it seems to me, than he used to have them, his hips are higher and his front knee angle is greater than it used to be. (He also appears 6-8 lbs heavier, but that is another issue). With the higher hip placement he looks to be leaning out more in the set position, which I think hurts his power production a little. If Bolt looks back at film from two or three years ago, I think he sees some changes that have not proven beneficial.
Still in this race he had a good start.

Future: When I hard Bolt mention World Records I imagine some TV PR guy or meet manager holding up a cue card telling him to mention World Record. Whether he really believes he can run low 19's again, I have no idea, but that those with vested interest in him want him to say so, of that I have no doubts. I hope Bolt can stay healthy thru Rio.


As for Blake, I think Bolt missed him as much, if not more, as a training partner than as a competitor. I hope Blake recovers completely and keeps Bolt motivated.
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby jamboy » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:03 am

JumboElliott wrote:Can we stop saying that Bolt "had a bad start" because he really didn't by his standards. He's never going to be explosive out of the blocks.




Bolt has had decent starts in the past. His coach has said repeatedly since Berlin that they are not "too worried" about his starts since they are very confident in his finish and his titles over the years since then proves that.

Mens 100m WR race in Berlin in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By1JQFxfLMM
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Re: ¶2013 Brussels DL—non-DL m100: Bolt 9.80

Postby The Flying Pigdog » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:24 am

dustoff wrote:
I'll be sure to bookmark this thread & post and revisit in the coming years.


I see what you're implying there. Maybe, maybe not. All we can go by right now are what the facts state. Anyone can look pretty awesome by speaking in hindsight terms.
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