So Bolt is Retiring


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So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ATK » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:30 pm

In 2016 according to the front page story. Thought that could be a worthy discussion since Bolt usually sparks conversation (oh except in Moscow this past August). Taking the MJ approach of trying to go out on top.

Anyone think its will hold true as far into the future it is? (even with all the factors like him just not winning in Rio...)
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby betterthanb4 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:10 pm

Bolt has been saying this for a while now.This article/news is two years late. :lol:
No guarantees in this sport but if he remains healthy and close to 2012 shape or better I can see him taking 1 or possibly 2 Golds home In Rio.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:49 pm

Give me the field in 2016.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby shivfan » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:47 am

Maybe the London authorities can dangle some carrots to inveigle him to run at the World Champs in 2017....
8-)
That said, it of course depends on how well he does at Rio in 2016.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Marlow » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:27 am

A motivated Bolt is/will be unbeatable. I think he was just going thru the motions this year and still went triple gold. I'll go out on a limb and say he will look less and less Boltian in 14 and 15, but then will win it all again in 16. The prospect of 3 more years of hard work is daunting, but his desire to put away the GOAT trophy for a long time will sustain him!
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby zidan » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:10 am

I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Marlow » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:15 am

zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby booond » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:24 am

Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Babe Ruth and Sugar Ray Robinson say hello.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby guinep » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:41 am

Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


You do know that there are probably more cricket fans in the world today than tennis fans? And Bradman's superiority over everyone who ever played his sport is only surpassed by Babe Ruth's. So I think, given dominance and amount of people who play/follow the sport, Babe Ruth should be at the head of your list.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby guinep » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:43 am

Personally, I was hoping he would stick around until the WC in 2017 as he has sometimes hinted at, but this news isn't entirely surprising. And I still don't understand why people keep doubting his ability to win championships.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby mump boy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:47 am

guinep wrote:
Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


You do know that there are probably more cricket fans in the world today than tennis fans? And Bradman's superiority over everyone who ever played his sport is only surpassed by Babe Ruth's. So I think, given dominance and amount of people who play/follow the sport, Babe Ruth should be at the head of your list.


Nobody outside of North America cares about baseball !!
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby gh » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:09 am

tell that to the Japanese, Taiwanese and South Koreans!
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby guinep » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:27 am

mump boy wrote:
guinep wrote:
Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


You do know that there are probably more cricket fans in the world today than tennis fans? And Bradman's superiority over everyone who ever played his sport is only surpassed by Babe Ruth's. So I think, given dominance and amount of people who play/follow the sport, Babe Ruth should be at the head of your list.


Nobody outside of North America cares about baseball !!


And Latin America, in addition to the Asian countries gh mentions.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby rabalac » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:43 am

guinep wrote:And Latin America, in addition to the Asian countries gh mentions.


While I'm not as dismissive of baseball as others, I still believe Cricket has a more global following than Baseball. China, India and Pakistan alone (to say nothing of the other cricket-living countries)should confirm this.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ZELLGADISS » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:01 am

Cricket is only known in India and in old brittish colonies.
Baseball out of USA and few more is not very very popular.
In Europe really few... :roll:

Boxing,european football(soccer) or track and field i think that yes, are known in all world.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Olli » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:08 am

Marlow wrote:Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Had to google Jimmy Brown and Willy Mays
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby t_monk » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:17 am

Didn't he say he was retiring after 2012 or something like that before? I say Bolt runs until he sees himself being beaten on a somewhat consistent basis or in Majors specifically.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:33 pm

guinep wrote:
mump boy wrote:
Nobody outside of North America cares about baseball !!


And Latin America, in addition to the Asian countries gh mentions.


Lain America prefers Football (soccer) while in India, SE Asia and Oz Cricket is probably the number one sport and in England number 2, the West Indies number 1 (yes Cricket over Track even in Jamaica), South Africa number 2 and New Zealand 2 or 3 depending how you take the popularity of football.

Basically Cricket is the number one sport for over a billion people easy. Baseball, maybe a half billion tops?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:34 pm

ZELLGADISS wrote:Cricket is only known in India and in old brittish colonies.
Baseball out of USA and few more is not very very popular.
In Europe really few... :roll:

Boxing,european football(soccer) or track and field i think that yes, are known in all world.


Boxing is know, but not hugely popular these days. MMA is bigger by many accounts.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Alucard » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:09 pm

Post 2017 would be a good time to go just before a "down year". Why leave crumbs aka World titles on the table?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ATK » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:15 pm

Alucard wrote:Post 2017 would be a good time to go just before a "down year". Why leave crumbs aka World titles on the table?

Trying to emulate MJ I guess.

Has there ever been another athlete that retired when it was clear they could have dominated at least the subsequent year?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby JumboElliott » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:32 pm

FloJo.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby mump boy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:52 pm

JumboElliott wrote:FloJo.


Dominating may have been one scenario, i can think of another more likely one, post 1989
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Daisy » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:02 am

Olli wrote:
Marlow wrote:Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Had to google Jimmy Brown and Willy Mays

And even then you have to wonder what Jimmy Brown ever did to be considered great.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Ned Ryerson » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:19 am

ATK wrote:Has there ever been another athlete that retired when it was clear they could have dominated at least the subsequent year?


Michael Johnson in 2001
Carolina Klüft in the heptathlon in 2008
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby rabalac » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:33 am

ZELLGADISS wrote:Cricket is only known in India and in old brittish colonies.

I see someone is geography-challenged.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby toyracer » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:23 am

Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Considering what the man went through that cost him his prime competitive years, and the significance of his actions, I hold Muhammed Ali above all others.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:48 am

rabalac wrote:
ZELLGADISS wrote:Cricket is only known in India and in old brittish colonies.

I see someone is geography-challenged.

Ain't that the truth!

On this map, nations in white have NOT been invaded/occupied by the Brits. :shock:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 88153b.jpg
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby etuoyo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:35 pm

Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Given that it is far from clear Pele was a better footballer than Maradonna I am not sure we can so easily just rank Pele as greatest ever sports man.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby gh » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:50 pm

Ned Ryerson wrote:
ATK wrote:Has there ever been another athlete that retired when it was clear they could have dominated at least the subsequent year?


Michael Johnson in 2001
Carolina Klüft in the heptathlon in 2008


Go back to the '60s and earlier and you'll find no end of them. Packing it in after the Olympics (particularly for U.S. winners) was not at all uncommon.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby lionelp1 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:54 pm

South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Cuba are fans of Baseball? Excellent.
Soccer is somewhat more important than any other sport in Asia, not playing possibly, but certainly by interest. Now the Chinese are playing and supporting the sport immensely.
Cricket is a followed like a religion in India with a population of 1.2 billion people and is more popular in both participation and support than Baseball throughout the globe..

For the non cricket fans, Bradman had an average score as a batsman at international level of
a smidgin under 100 runs , which is utterly phenomenal; has not been even remotely challenged in 70 years.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:13 pm

mump boy wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:FloJo.


Dominating may have been one scenario, i can think of another more likely one, post 1989

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PBopC7pnZ5c/U ... histle.jpg
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby dustoff » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:57 pm

If Gay was around and won the crown this year, which I personally believe would have happened, would there be this talk?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:59 pm

Gay wasn't around because he tested positive for a banned substance.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby dustoff » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:11 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Gay wasn't around because he tested positive for a banned substance.


You are missing the point of my question.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ATK » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:14 pm

dustoff wrote:If Gay was around and won the crown this year, which I personally believe would have happened, would there be this talk?

If your referring to the talk of bolt retiring, yes we would.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:19 pm

dustoff wrote:
You are missing the point of my question.

Your question is based on a false assumption.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby guinep » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:28 pm

dustoff wrote:If Gay was around and won the crown this year, which I personally believe would have happened, would there be this talk?


:lol:
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ZELLGADISS » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:09 pm

Bolt made 9.77 -0.3 raining and without 100% effort in the last metres, and anybody think that Gay can defeat him? :lol:
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Pego » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:30 pm

etuoyo wrote:
Marlow wrote:
zidan wrote:I wonder where he would currently rank against the greats in all sports< say Ali, Pele, Bradman, Federer, Jordan etc.

Bradman? Had to google him. Given the billions who have never played cricket, gonna have to put him last! :twisted:

Pele>Jordan>Jimmy Brown>Willy Mays>Phelps>Bolt>Nicklaus>Ali>Federer>Bradman


Given that it is far from clear Pele was a better footballer than Maradonna I am not sure we can so easily just rank Pele as greatest ever sports man.


For most of us that saw both of them play, it is no contest.
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