Wow. Didn't know this little string on Jeneva existed until today. Well to answer some of this speculation. 1. Jeneva will keep throwing the shot. Been spinning for less than 2 years still has a way to go. The ability is thier to throw 20m + . Has thrown 3.5k 67 feet, 3k 74 feet in practice. 4k 64 3 days before indoor nationals and pulled a gut muscle. 2. Hammer and spin shot is a natural double. Hammer makes rotational shot and discus better. Can pick up the disc easily anytime she wants to. Can throw 58m on any given day without throwing it from the cross training of the 2 other events. 3. The weight does not hurt the hammer if you train it a certain way. Jeneva, Gwen, has already shown this. 4. Non reverse spinning. We work on both, but the non reverse keeps going farther. America is in love with the reverse and europe is not. We also use the glide as a training tool. In practice the spin beats the glide by 11% with every ball. Pulling Gut muscle again at outdoor nationals shut down her shot. Made it 3 throws at usa in the hammer then stopped. 5. Dan Taylor. Average throwing way higher with non reverse work. 2007 20.85 AVERAGE in europe. 20.33 for all meets from 2006-2008. After that 19.25 and 19.53 so , so much for reversing. Had warm-up at 22m in meets several times from 2006-2008. 6. Heavy throwing yes. Number one reason we are behind in a couple of throwing events. 7. Light throwing yes. In the proper ratios.
Europeans throw a lot of different things. Russians mainly regular length hammers. Hungarians a lot of multiple length stuff. Yes she throws fix feet discus also. Fix feet throwing trains the legs to do proper mechanics. If you do it well enough you can't beat it with a reversed finish.
jjsmith wrote:If you do it well enough you can't beat it with a reversed finish.
My brain can't wrap itself around that. It seems so intuitive that a huge finishing snap would 'require' another spin at the end. I guess it has to do with a torqueing action in biomechanics. In the Javelin, when I see Pitkamaki's finish, I think, YEAH, that's how it should be done! (Like Al Cantello's full-dive finish)
OK. Fix feet throwing started out oversea's years ago as an training drill that turned into a technique. Power is imparted to the implement only when the legs can work against the earth. If this was not true hammer throwers would be hopping turn to turn and and doing reverses on the finish. There are many fix feet discus throwers in the baltic countries and they do it for a reason and beat us pretty bad. Once you leave the ground thier is nothing more you can do to the implement. Many rotational shot putters train a lot of non-reverse throws even though they use a reverse in competition. Its just a way to finish a throw and stay in. Once the implement leaves your hand its over.
jjsmith wrote:Once you leave the ground thier is nothing more you can do to the implement. . . . Once the implement leaves your hand its over.
I get that, but hasn't everything 'to do', been done by the time it leaves your hand, and you've left the ground? I used to watch Wilkins throw, and there was so much energy in his release, he couldn't possibly stop himself, even if he wanted. It's the same in the Glide Shot Put. How does one NOT reverse after a huge release?
Marlow wrote:I get that, but hasn't everything 'to do', been done by the time it leaves your hand, and you've left the ground? I used to watch Wilkins throw, and there was so much energy in his release, he couldn't possibly stop himself, even if he wanted. It's the same in the Glide Shot Put. How does one NOT reverse after a huge release?
Excactly. Explosive force in the legs causes many of them to loose contact before the release. Not Riedel but Wilkins, Powell, Wolfgang Schmidt, Gerd Kanter and Alekna (from the Baltics) all did.
Yes. Jeneva needs one more meet to finish in the top 5 or 6. She is ready right now to throw far. Also one more B level meet over 73.70 would put her 5th or 6th on world rankings. We were removed from bejinj hammer at last moment, and lost that meet. Also prefontaine really hurt they should take more americans like every other hosting country does. She has rieti to get it done.
Jeneva has 1 more meet to get it done , that's all we need. She has thrown 73.75, 70.47, 72.65, 74.77, 70.94 in europe. They wont be able to keep her out forever. She will knock down those brick walls.