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Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby aaronk » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:08 pm

All-around thrower (hammer, discus, indoor weight, and shot put) Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped almost four feet in the shot put!!

In an indoor meet this past weekend, she went from her previous best SP of 17.97 (58-11 1/2) all the way to 19.10 (62-8)!!

She's now 8th best on the all-time American indoor list, and 10th best on the combined indoor-outdoor list!!

I wonder if she'll make a similar leap in the weight throw.
If she does, she could go well over 80 feet!!

Whatever the future holds, she's sure gotten the indoor season off with a SHOT heard round the world!! :D
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Marlow » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:12 pm

aaronk wrote:Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped . . . from her previous best SP of 58-11 1/2 all the way to 62-8!!

SWEET! And only 23.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:18 pm

Marlow wrote:
aaronk wrote:Jeneva McCall, age 23, has suddenly jumped . . . from her previous best SP of 58-11 1/2 all the way to 62-8!!

SWEET! And only 23.

Since her 19.10m was Jeneva's only throw over 18m I hope this is not a one-off.

I'm interested to see if McCall improves when (if ever) she switches from a fixed-feet finish to a traditional reverse. Since Dan Taylor moved to AZ and changed his technique (and distances) she might be the only "A" standard rotational shot putter throwing fixed-feet.

Word is her current hammer form is keeping pace with her shot putting performance.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:29 am

Jeneva McCall - NYAC Shot Put - (17.38m 16.75m 17.49m 17.67m 17.81m 19.10m)
1 McCall, Jeneva NYAC 23.78m /PB by 2cm 78-00.25
FOUL 23.49m 23.78m 23.20m 23.48m 22.62m
Great peformances both,expecting her more good news this year. :D
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Powell » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:39 am

If she wants to be internationally successful (as in challenging for OG/WC medals), she needs to make up her mind on which event she wants to specialize in. It's very nice to be good in 3 events (or 4, if you count the WT as a separate event), but it would be a lot nicer to be truly great in one.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:53 am

yes,but I hope she :D can win medals in all events,
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Marlow » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:28 am

I bet it's the HT.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:22 am

Powell wrote:...or 4, if you count the WT as a separate event), but it would be a lot nicer to be truly great in one.

In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Marlow » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:25 am

bushop wrote:In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:23 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.
F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.

"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Marlow » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:03 pm

bushop wrote:"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.

Oh, so we just have a difference of opinion on its efficacy for HTers.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby gh » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:21 pm

My totally uninformed take has always been that the weight contributes to slow hammer throwing in an era when speed in the ring is what it's all about, not strength.

I once asked Al Feuerbach about training with a heavy shot, and the gist of his response was to look at me incredously and say, "why would I do anything that hampered by speed in the ring?" He was a big muscle-memory guy. He did crazy thing with heavy weights in the weightroom, not in the circle.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby aaronk » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.

F'real?! (you would know!)
I would think that at worst it doesn't help, but I can't believe it wouldn't be a useful bit of winter cross-training.


People's statements that the wt is bad (or at least not helpful) for the HT doesn't fit the record book!!

Lance Deal is both AR holder in the indoor wt and the outdoor HT!!
Kibwe Johnson and AG Kruger are right up there in both events!!

For the women, Brittany Riley is the AR holder in the wt, and is high on the list of American HT'ers.
And Amber Campbell is very high on both lists!!

Are they just anomalies??

As for mixing the SP or the DT (or even the JT) with the Wt and the HT.....that's another story altogether!!
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:46 pm

gh wrote:My totally uninformed take has always been that the weight contributes to slow hammer throwing in an era when speed in the ring is what it's all about, not strength.

I once asked Al Feuerbach about training with a heavy shot, and the gist of his response was to look at me incredously and say, "why would I do anything that hampered by speed in the ring?" He was a big muscle-memory guy. He did crazy thing with heavy weights in the weightroom, not in the circle.

I know of many throwers that use heavy and light implements. They hope to build special strength with the different weight balls and discii. throwers throwing to throw farther.
Likewise, some train with long and short hammer wires.
The trouble with the weight seems to be that one can have great success while pulling the ball while the great hammer throwers push the ball.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:53 pm

bushop wrote:"Biggest problem to American hammer throwing is the 15kg weight." Dr. Bondarchuk... I don't know, but he does. But coach Smith, while using many of Dr. B's training ideas, still believes in the big ball.
Marlow wrote:Oh, so we just have a difference of opinion on its efficacy for HTers.
Sure. But the evidence seems to back Dr. B'. Can someone find a 25 or 35 pound weight PB listed for any hammer Olympic medalist other than Deal?
note: one reason to throw the weight in the States is prize money.

bushop wrote:In this context it would since the 25 lb weight typically hinders 4kg hammer performances.
aaronk wrote:People's statements that the wt is bad (or at least not helpful) for the HT doesn't fit the record book!!
Lance Deal is both AR holder in the indoor wt and the outdoor HT!!
Kibwe Johnson and AG Kruger are right up there in both events!!
... Brittany Riley is the AR holder in the wt, and is high on the list of American HT'ers.
... Amber Campbell is very high on both lists!!
Are they just anomalies??
To the best of my knowledge, the record book you speak of contains one Olympic/ WC medalist.
The anomaly is Deal. While the others you mention are high on the US American lists they are not elite hammer throwers. Johnson has moved to the edge of the elite group but this happened after he gave up the weight throw (per coach's request).
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby gm » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:52 pm

I do find it is a difficult transition from weight to hammer for my throwers after the indoor season, for precisely the reason bushop mentioned.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:12 pm

I believe the US is the only country throwing the indoor weight. It has never been an event at the World Indoor Champs.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:55 pm

Jeneva McCall threw 18.11m and 22.37m in Lawrence KS, 25 Jan , :D
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby leoesharkey » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:57 am

When I was a young Pup, the world record holder with 76 feet 11 inches in the weight was Yuri Sedykh...He too was an Olympic medalist. :shock:
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:58 am

Jeneva McCall tossed 72.15m HT PB but did bad in SP and DT,now her pb in four throwing events:
SP;19.10m DT;59.45m HT:72.15m WT:23.94m
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:51 am

leoesharkey wrote:When I was a young Pup, the world record holder with 76 feet 11 inches in the weight was Yuri Sedykh...He too was an Olympic medalist. :shock:

Did not know Sedykh had a mark with the 35 lb. weight... nice find.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:52 am

nianchengyu wrote:Jeneva McCall tossed 72.15m HT PB but did bad in SP and DT,now her pb in four throwing events:
SP;19.10m DT;59.45m HT:72.15m WT:23.94m

One wonders how long she'll stay with four events.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:56 am

Well, the WT and the HT are the indoor/outdoor 'match' (even if some think it not a good idea).
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Wed May 15, 2013 8:45 pm

In Japan GP McCall tossed 18.04m outdoor pb with a 3rd place,then she will participate in shanghai diamond league,good luck to her.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Wed May 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Jeneva McCall seems to focus on SP and HT currently,following her 72.15m HT,she took part in three international meetings in SP,18.04m/17.83m/18.23m PB of outdoors,hoping she will have chances to represent USA in both events in spite of difficulties.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Marlow » Wed May 22, 2013 5:06 pm

nianchengyu wrote:in SP 18.23m PB of outdoors

Closing in on 60' outdoors. Has an iPR of 62-8 (19.10).
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Pego » Wed May 22, 2013 5:32 pm

nianchengyu wrote:Jeneva McCall seems to focus on SP and HT currently,following her 72.15m HT,she took part in three international meetings in SP,18.04m/17.83m/18.23m PB of outdoors,hoping she will have chances to represent USA in both events in spite of difficulties.


She has an excellent HT, a mediocre SP. Why not concentrate on HT? Has there ever been an exceptional SP/HT combo? I cannot think of any.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 22, 2013 5:42 pm

I guess John Smith likes his throwers to be versatile? After all, his wife threw two different implements.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Pego » Wed May 22, 2013 5:58 pm

JumboElliott wrote:I guess John Smith likes his throwers to be versatile? After all, his wife threw two different implements.


Yes, SP/DT is common. But SP/HT?
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby doug5321 » Wed May 22, 2013 7:55 pm

some trivia on jeneva mccall, her father oliver mccall was a world heavyweight boxing champion and knocked out lennox lewis in 2 rounds, her father oliver age 48 and brother elijah mccall age 25 both fought on the same card in poland last saturday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_McCall
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Wed May 22, 2013 8:27 pm

Pego wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:I guess John Smith likes his throwers to be versatile? After all, his wife threw two different implements.


Yes, SP/DT is common. But SP/HT?

So I hope she can be the first one to world-class in SP/HT? BTY,her SP still has room to improve and her 72m is not higher than her SP.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:12 am

Jeneva McCall won SP with 18.47m PB and 4th in HT 71.75m which includes 2 more throws over 70m in Lisle IL, :D
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:06 pm

In USNT,jeneva McCall messed up in SP with 17.48m but did 74.00m HT although giving up last three throws,hoping not because of injury.
Ask a question,how did McCall qualify for 2011 WC? She finished 4th in NT,the 3rd placer injuried ?This time she surprisely only 4th in SP with a 17.48m result which she has more chances to qualify although she has A standard.What a shame she almost losses chances to compete in both events in Mosvka, :) .
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:12 pm

One of them might not have had a qualifier.
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Postby nianchengyu » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Wow,after USATF,many athletes felt tired and no good performances,but McCall showed great form in HT by winning the title,73.75m and beat the world leader and defending champion Margieva despite bad form in SP qualification with 16.99m q mark.
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby Pego » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:43 pm

nianchengyu wrote:Wow,after USATF,many athletes felt tired and no good performances,but McCall showed great form in HT by winning the title,73.75m and beat the world leader and defending champion Margieva despite bad form in SP qualification with 16.99m q mark.


Are you still arguing that she should not concentrate on the HT :wink: ?
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:00 am

74.77m PB in Europe is stamping McCall as a meet promoter favorite. A US American who can throw well in Europe. She may be throwing shot put as well before comesing back across the pond.

Where do you see her 2013 T&F News hammer ranking?
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby aaronk » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:01 am

bushop wrote:74.77m PB in Europe is stamping McCall as a meet promoter favorite. A US American who can throw well in Europe. She may be throwing shot put as well before comesing back across the pond.

Where do you see her 2013 T&F News hammer ranking?


Somewhere below Amanda Bingson's!! :D
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby bushop » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:40 pm

aaronk wrote:
bushop wrote:74.77m PB in Europe is stamping McCall as a meet promoter favorite. A US American who can throw well in Europe. She may be throwing shot put as well before comesing back across the pond.
Where do you see her 2013 T&F News hammer ranking?
Somewhere below Amanda Bingson's!! :D

Why would McCall be ranked lower than Bingson for 2013?
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Re: Jeneva McCall takes "shot" at greatness!

Postby aaronk » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:46 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:
bushop wrote:74.77m PB in Europe is stamping McCall as a meet promoter favorite. A US American who can throw well in Europe. She may be throwing shot put as well before comesing back across the pond.
Where do you see her 2013 T&F News hammer ranking?
Somewhere below Amanda Bingson's!! :D

Why would McCall be ranked lower than Bingson for 2013?


Ummmm......
something called the AMERICAN RECORD??? :)
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