in 2012 Mary Cain competed at the Olympic trials. In 2013 it was her stated goal to make the US Team for Moscow. Stop trying to make it seem like we're preventing her from achieving something that SHE doesn't really want. If anything, it is the likes of you and Rotheson who are preventing her from enjoying herself. By your reasoning, a reasoning I don't agree with, she should have run the High School State meet.
If you had read my posts instead of just reflexively responding you would know I never, ever, once, said she shouldn't go to Moscow. I had said running in the WYC last week would have made sense. At least others suggested she might have wanted time at home, or that it might have been a strain or other logical answers.
In 2012 she did the US trials AND went to the WJC's. This was never an either or situation.
First, I read your post. Second, its YOU who are not making one bit of sense because Salazar and Cain never thought it made sense. Why you can't get that through your head is YOUR problem not mine (or the other people trying to show you why you're wrong). And, had she made the Olympic team in 2012, do you really think she would have still gone to WJCs? On second thought, don't answer:roll:
26mi235 wrote:2.) If you think posters shouldn't tell athletes what to do why do you then feel it's your place to tell posters what to do?
I can think of one reason: The chances an athlete will actually read what's been suggested to them are close to zero (making it pointless), the chances another poster will read it are much better.
Because the athletes know themselves (and are professionals) and you do not know them, which is why there is an element of conceit to think that you know better than they what they want to do and what they prefer to do.
26mi235 wrote:Because the athletes know themselves (and are professionals) and you do not know them, which is why there is an element of conceit to think that you know better than they what they want to do and what they prefer to do.
What difference does it make that they are professionals? Professionals, in all fields, make mistakes all the time.
And no one is saying they know better. People are opining what they would do or what they think the athlete should do. They may be right, they may be wrong but to think that the athlete will be 100% right for their career is ludicrous, at best.
I suspect elite athletes avoid discussion forums for the same reason I (try to) avoid the annual Free Speech forum, No good can come from it. Inevitably, their performances/training will be criticized and their strategy/motives/goals impugned.
Maybe there is a form of S&M that enjoys insulting and being insulted? Not for me.
Tuariki wrote:Hinriksdottir cruised to a 2:01 - let's hope she can get under 2:00 in the final.
Always someone who spoils the joys of upcoming S&M discussions with actual sports. I don't think she'll go below 2 minutes because there is nobody in that final to push her. I was actually laughing earlier because i read an interview with one of the three germans in the 800m final and she said the motto for the final is "3 against Anita" and i was thinking more like "3 seconds behind Anita". On a different subject, what's up with the russian team? Especially the women's side seems to be pretty weak with many events not even entered. Nobody over 100, 200, only one over 800, 1500, nobody in the long jump, shotput, hammer, hep. Some of those are usually strong russian events so it's weird that they don't have anyone there.
I don't think she's totally without competition - Sidorska does have a 2:01.00 from the Pechonkina meet in Yerino, only .51 behind the Icelander's PB, though she did have the benefit of running behind a quality field including Savinova, Kupina, Arzamasava et al, while the Icelander front-ran her time solo. (Not saying Hinriksdottir isn't favourite, of course she is!)
Nafissatou Thiam just set a big PB with 6.37 in LJ and looks to be on course for 6200+ in the heptathlon. Possibly close to 6300 if she tries a bit harder in the 800 (she only ran 2:31 in her one heptathlon this year, and I think she can go a few seconds faster). Sofia Linde may well end up in the 6100+ territory as well.
If the top 4 match the results from their SB heptathlons in the last 2 events, the end result will be: Thiam 6207 Linde 6107 Visser 5885 Lindemans 5807 But, seeing as they've all been performing way, way above that level so far, 3rd and 4th place could be close to 6000. This could be the best junior heptathlon in terms of overall quality in a long time.
Powell wrote:But, seeing as they've all been performing way, way above that level so far, 3rd and 4th place could be close to 6000. This could be the best junior heptathlon in terms of overall quality in a long time.
In Tallinn 2011 we had four over 6000, well three, Udelhoven was fourth with exactly 6000 points.
Thiam becomes the #6 junior of all time. Linde, who came in 2nd with 6081, also made the top 25 junior list and will still be a junior next year. Eugene next year with Cuba's Yorgelis Rodriguez, the USA's Kendall Williams along with Euro 4th place finisher Visser could be very interesting.
tgs3 wrote:Thiam becomes the #6 junior of all time. Linde, who came in 2nd with 6081, also made the top 25 junior list and will still be a junior next year. Eugene next year with Cuba's Yorgelis Rodriguez, the USA's Kendall Williams along with Euro 4th place finisher Visser could be very interesting.
How does Kendall Williams fit into that category? Being 600 points below the competition doesn't exactly spell excitement.
norunner wrote:How does Kendall Williams fit into that category? Being 600 points below the competition doesn't exactly spell excitement.
I included her because she had the 4th highest point total this year of people that that will still be juniors next year, but you're right, she's fairly far behind Rodriguez and Linde at the moment. I realize that it's probably mostly a US centric veiwpoint that causes me to think she's better than she showed this year. She was almost 100 points better last year, so there's some reason to think this is the case.
@norunner, what do you make of Burghardt and Freese's performances? After the first round I thought Burghardt would definitely make the final but I was very disappointed in her SF. She did exactly the same as she did in the German Senior 100m final; run really well for 70-80m then went backwards. She really needs to work on her speed endurance - I would like to see her run 200's - and also her stride length. At the moment, because she is also hurdling, her stride length is modified to that event and are too short, and she doesnt take advantage of her height and leg length (she's nearly 6ft tall). Her relay heat run was also very poor; she looks to have lost some form since Ulm. But I do think she has a great future and I would like to see her move back to multievents (she did a couple of good quadrathlons as a 14 and 15 yr old)
Freese must have been gutted she just missed out on a medal in the 200! I really thought she would get silver, especially as she beat Henry not long ago. She did run a really good relay leg and managed to get Germany back into a comfortable qualifying spot. Maybe she should have doubled up and done the 100/200?
Rothosen wrote:I actually wonder what % of athletes are making any of these decisions. How many of these decisions are being made by their coaches? And no, I don't believe the coaches are reading these posts either.
Interesting question. What % of top athletes AND their coaches read this forum? If you are elite or emerging-elite, wouldn't a lot of your focus be on what's going on in the sport? With the demise of the IAAF forum (and the distance focus of letsrun), wouldn't this be a primary source of info? I know most are way too smart to post here (given the anonymous 'rude' comments of some posters here), but I've gotta think many (most?) lurk?