Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes


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Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby AFTERBURNER » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:57 pm

To the best of my knowledge, the first eight lane oval was at the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo, "please correct me if I'm wrong".

Then much later gradually the 9 lanes ovals were introduced. Does anybody know when and where the first 9 lane oval came to be and why was it introduced.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby user4 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:13 pm

AFTERBURNER wrote:To the best of my knowledge, the first eight lane oval was at the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo, "please correct me if I'm wrong".


If so I wonder if it explains any portion of the fantastic OG record time that the large framed Henry Carr registered there from lane 7.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby AFTERBURNER » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:11 pm

Indeed Henry Carr won gold with an Olympic AND world record time of 20.36 "that is if you consider auto times only"

How is a world record from lane 7 so fantastic?
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby bambam » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:08 am

AFTERBURNER wrote:To the best of my knowledge, the first eight lane oval was at the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo, "please correct me if I'm wrong".

Then much later gradually the 9 lanes ovals were introduced. Does anybody know when and where the first 9 lane oval came to be and why was it introduced.


Tokyo was the first 8-lane oval at the Olympics, at least. Not sure about other meets or venues.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby dj » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:32 am

Los Angeles Coliseum had eight lanes in 1932, as did Berlin in '36, Helsinki in '52. It was Olympic tradition however, to advance only six runners to sprint, hurdle and relay finals through 1960.

One reason for advancing only six on an eight-lane track was to avoid using a chewed-up lane 1.

More examples:
1936 NCAA, held in Chicago, 8 lanes 200 on the turn.
1946 NCAA, Minneapolis, 8 lanes 200 turn

I suspect eight-lane tracks were not all that rare back then.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby gh » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:33 am

The NCAA was run on 8-lane tracks as early as the '30s. I'm sure dj can give you chapter and verse.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby dj » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:48 am

gh wrote:The NCAA was run on 8-lane tracks as early as the '30s. I'm sure dj can give you chapter and verse.


Yes, but I went only with the first year (1936) in which I found at least 8 finalists in the 200/220 on a turn. The 440 was often run without lanes back then, and I didn't check straightaway races as it wasn't unusual for tracks to have more straightaway lanes than on the full oval.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby gh » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:11 am

the 400H is the key.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby bambam » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:28 pm

dj wrote:Los Angeles Coliseum had eight lanes in 1932, as did Berlin in '36, Helsinki in '52. It was Olympic tradition however, to advance only six runners to sprint, hurdle and relay finals through 1960.

One reason for advancing only six on an eight-lane track was to avoid using a chewed-up lane 1.

More examples:
1936 NCAA, held in Chicago, 8 lanes 200 on the turn.
1946 NCAA, Minneapolis, 8 lanes 200 turn

I suspect eight-lane tracks were not all that rare back then.


Well, I stand corrected. I knew Tokyo was the first to use 8 finalists in the lane races and just assumed the others did not have 8 lanes.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby gh » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Is the ultimate throwback perhaps Oslo (Bislett)?

I believe it only went from 6 to 8 with the remake in probably '05?
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes

Postby dj » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:26 pm

gh wrote:the 400H is the key.


Not always at U.S. domestic meets. Even into the 1940s there were years when the hurdles were stretch out across the track and the race was run around one turn with everyone trying to get to the pole.
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Re: Ovals with 8 or 9 lanes -- or 10

Postby James Fields » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:56 pm

dj wrote:
"it wasn't unusual for tracks to have more straightaway lanes than on the full oval."
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St. Martin's University in Lacey, Washington [near Olympia] has ten (10)
lanes on the main straightaway of its new T&F facility. I took photos of it a week ago today and wish there was a quick/easy way to append one to a board message such as this.
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