odelltrclan wrote:I don't think so. This logic is flawed. This would only apply if the records were aided by the shorter pegs. There is a compilation in YouTube of all his outdoor world record vaults and virtually all of them were clean clearances. Some with sizeable margins. Even his 6.14 clearance looks to be clean. So the IAAF made the correct decision.
I don't believe this is a copyrighted video so it should pass. If not, please remove it.
It's more complicated than that. You don't see his progression to 6.14. There's a video on youtube of the entire competition when Bubka set the indoor 6.15 WR. With shorter pegs and no volzing, he would've no heighted at 5.70. His 3rd attempt he fell right on the bar, hit it very hard and held it on. He was then clean at 590, 600, and 615 but none would've happened with the current rules.
Possibly, but I think most of his records would be there even with today's rules, he would still be the WR holder and by far the greatest ever vaulter.
Dave wrote:Today's HJ indicates that 2.46 is attainable.
Agree - Barshim and Bondarenko are both young, and both have room for improvement technically. I know Bondarenko is 1.98m tall, but his 2.41 clearance looked to me like a 2.30 jump. He can handle a lot of speed, takes off as far from the bar as Holm, and if he could achieve Holm's arch and timing he would easily have another 5 cm. Looking at his bio, he jumped very high at 16/17, but there's a big dark patch around 2010. Was he injured ?
Per mentioned a "way station," which leads me to think Bondarenko needs a sherpa, someone who will compete with him at that way station.
Barshim is the obvious candidate, although perhaps Bondarenko will merely become Barshim's sherpa. Kynard, Drouin and Dmitrik are only one bar setting away from joining these two in the high altitude of 2.40.
tandfman wrote:I thought that until a few days ago. After the high jump in Lausanne, one has to think again.
I think some perspective is needed here. That 2.41m was the highest jump in 19 years and if you take out Soto, the highest for 26 years behind Sjoberg's 2.42m. It's now been an incredible 28 years since Paklin jumped 2.41m.
Bondarenko is not a newbie. He's been around for quite a few years, coming third in the world junior's in 2006, yet still managed a mind-boggling 10cms improvement this season from his 2012 pr of 2.31m. Does anyone truly believe he has another 5cms in him this year or even next? (marlow and gh - that's 2"). I think Per classified those extra cms perfectly - they are not normal cms.
It's been 33 years since the WR has improved more than 1cm a year and the last record set in 1980 was by an East German. Before that, it's over 50 years since Brumel raised it more than 1cm in 1962 and Thomas before him in 1960. The high jump record does not improve in chunks of cms, it improves 1cm at a time.
However, it's very positive that there are two over 2.40m already this season with a few others potentially capable of making it. I believe that if two, three or four of them remain healthy we could enter another great era with jumps over 2.40m necessary simply to win. Then I hope that they learn from Vlasic and don't start automatically taking shots at 2.46m, the almost certain outcome of which is repeated failure. And, I hope they take all their attempts at the huge heights and stop the (usually) silly and unnecessary passing game. It's probably likely that clearances of 2.42m, 2.43m and 2.44m are necessary before we see a new record, in my opinion. How to put this politely? 2.46m is ridiculously bloody high.
Pego wrote:This is what Marlow prophesied. By December 31, 2019, 2 of those 3 things will have happened: 245' - DT (Crouser!!) 8'2 - HJ (WtFK - some hotshot like D Thomas, fresh off dunking on a 12' rim ) 80' - SP (Jacko)
I think you've missed my point. I agree that it is unlikely that Bondarenko or anyone else is going to break the WR. My comment was not about what is likely to happen; it was about what is imaginable. Given the current state of the various events, I thought imaginable that Tamgho could break the TJ record, and I now think it's imaginable that Bondarenko could break the HJ record.
Mark is right. It's probably not going to happen. But it seems at least possible.
Dave. Second place behind Beamon was Beer's 8.19 (26'-10 1/8"). I believe it came after the rains started, and Beamon's leap had a discouraging effect on the others. I suppose they could have said to themselves, wow, if he can do it so can I, but it didn't work out that way. Altitude aided and wind suspect, it was still MASSIVE.
tandfman wrote:I thought imaginable that Tamgho could break the TJ record
I saw Tamgho's big foul a couple of days ago for the first time and if the lines superimposed on the TV shot are anywhere near accurate, it's absolutely imaginable that he could break the TJ WR. In fact, I'll be surprised if he doesn't in the next few years.
For old times sake it's worth a look at the Tamgho thread on letsrun, for a laugh. Our friend eldrick proves, without any doubt, and you're a numskull if you disagree, that the foul was worth at least 20+cms more than Edward's 18.29m