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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:25 pm

Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?



T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:
01) Mo Farah (5k)
02) Mo Farah (10k)
03) men (4x100m)
04) Jessica Ennis-Hill (hept)
I would add the women's 4x400m as contenders, Holly Bleasdale if she learns to jump outside, Christine Ohuruoghu is heating up nicely, Grabarz after an indifferent early season is regaining form (but I doubt he will medal given the most HJ'ers of this season), one of our 1500m or 800m girls are always an outside possibility in the right race and an outside chance for Julia Bleasdale?
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby iain » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:41 pm

I think as a possibility add Shara and men's 4x4 as these are two events where anyone could medal on the right day
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby jjimbojames » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:00 pm

iain wrote:I think as a possibility add Shara and men's 4x4 as these are two events where anyone could medal on the right day

Plus PSD in the 400mH and Rutherford in the mLJ - looks to be starting to get things together and things haven't moved on as much as I thought they might this year
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby norunner » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:09 am

I think the w4x4 has a good chance of medaling. TBO and PSD around 50.5, Onuora 51.4 and Child should also be able to run around 51.5. To me that's a relay that can go below 3:20 and medal.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby mump boy » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:36 am

norunner wrote:I think the w4x4 has a good chance of medaling. TBO and PSD around 50.5, Onuora 51.4 and Child should also be able to run around 51.5. To me that's a relay that can go below 3:20 and medal.


It's great team on paper but i worry that i only contains 1 'relay' runner, someone we know will raise their game and run sub 50. When we ran 2.20.04 it was solely because Nicola dropped 48.7 and Lee ran a 50 flat blinder.

Although our potential team this year is better, they are going to have to turn that potential into a relay 'team' performance

Fingers crossed
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby bushop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:31 pm

Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?

2012:
Olympic medalists:
01) Jessica Ennis (hept) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) silver
03) Mo Farah (10k) gold
04) Mo Farah (5k) gold
05) Greg Rutherford (LJ) gold
06) Robert Grabarz (HJ) bronze

Olympic top-12:
01) Dai Greene (400m h) 4th
02) men (4x400m) 4th
03) Yamilé Aldama (TJ) 5th
04) Steve Lewis (PV) 5th
05) Chris Tomlinson (LJ) 6th
06) Holly Bleasdale (PV) 6th
07) Shara Proctor (LJ) 9th
08) Lisa Dobriskey (1500) 10th
09) Laura Weightman (1500) 11th
10) Lawrence Okoye (DT) 12th
11) women (4x400m) 5th

T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:

no changes

01) Mo Farah (5k)
02) Mo Farah (10k)
03) men (4x100m)
04) Jessica Ennis-Hill (hept)
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby lionelp1 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:09 pm

eldanielfire wrote:Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?



T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:
01) Mo Farah (5k)
02) Mo Farah (10k)
03) men (4x100m)
04) Jessica Ennis-Hill (hept)
I would add the women's 4x400m as contenders, Holly Bleasdale if she learns to jump outside, Christine Ohuruoghu is heating up nicely, Grabarz after an indifferent early season is regaining form (but I doubt he will medal given the most HJ'ers of this season), one of our 1500m or 800m girls are always an outside possibility in the right race and an outside chance for Julia Bleasdale?


HB is not in Moscow team; Grabarcz ... not this year . The standard is way too high for him.. Julia Bleasdale has not run this summer .. presumably injured as we can expect from a wide range of Brit athletes.I do not see Jess being fit to enter, who knows.?

Medallists are, imo, Mo twice; possible 4x400m women. CO possible only this year. Cannot see any chance for our 1500m women and certainly not Okoro in the 800m. Rutherford may be in Moscow but there are guys fit and ready for 8.30 who will medal.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:29 am

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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:35 am

UK Athletics director: forget Olympics, the team for Moscow is better
Sean Ingle Sunday 4 August 2013
"We are without question, genuinely, in a better position going into the world championships than we were before London 2012," UK Athletics' performance director, Neil Black says. "We are better prepared. We are more focused. And we are even more excited in the potential that will come from this competition."
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:37 am

bushop wrote:UK Athletics director: forget Olympics, the team for Moscow is better
Sean Ingle Sunday 4 August 2013
"We are without question, genuinely, in a better position going into the world championships than we were before London 2012," UK Athletics' performance director, Neil Black says. "We are better prepared. We are more focused. And we are even more excited in the potential that will come from this competition."


He is talking rubbish. However I'm sure it will all get spun with some positives afterwards about most semi's made or something before they kick injured athletes off funding in December.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby norunner » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:55 am

Is there a school where they teach these guys how to come up with all that nonsense? It sounds a lot like what we get from german officials.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby bushop » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:19 am

Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?

2012:
Olympic medalists:
01) Jessica Ennis (hept) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) silver
03) Mo Farah (10k) gold
04) Mo Farah (5k) gold
05) Greg Rutherford (LJ) gold
06) Robert Grabarz (HJ) bronze

Olympic top-12:
01) Dai Greene (400m h) 4th
02) men (4x400m) 4th
03) Yamilé Aldama (TJ) 5th
04) Steve Lewis (PV) 5th
05) Chris Tomlinson (LJ) 6th
06) Holly Bleasdale (PV) 6th
07) Shara Proctor (LJ) 9th
08) Lisa Dobriskey (1500) 10th
09) Laura Weightman (1500) 11th
10) Lawrence Okoye (DT) 12th
11) women (4x400m) 5th

T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:

Ennis-Hill out with injury

01) Mo Farah (5k)
02) Mo Farah (10k)
03) men (4x100m)
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby batonless relay » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:03 am

GBR for Bronze in the 4x1 is a bit of a wish, don't you think? They're knotted up with FRA and GER for best in Europe and Canada also leads them to start the Championships. I'll be watching to see if China can outrun Japan.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 4

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:37 am

norunner wrote:Is there a school where they teach these guys how to come up with all that nonsense? It sounds a lot like what we get from german officials.


Neil Black is only a temp director of UK athletics. He probably wants to hype his reputation up. If the UK do well he'll take more credit, if they don't he'll quietly give the excuses and shift blame. He probably wants to hype himself as he's originally a physio, not somebody of an elite athletics background as either athlete or coach. If he wants further jobs he has to live off his own hype, not his T&F record.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby iain » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:00 am

batonless relay wrote:GBR for Bronze in the 4x1 is a bit of a wish, don't you think? They're knotted up with FRA and GER for best in Europe and Canada also leads them to start the Championships. I'll be watching to see if China can outrun Japan.


If GBR complete the race they should win bronze, no question.
Remember they ran faster than all but USA & JAM at Olympics even with a shitty change, and a worse team than this year.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby norunner » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:11 am

iain wrote:
batonless relay wrote:GBR for Bronze in the 4x1 is a bit of a wish, don't you think? They're knotted up with FRA and GER for best in Europe and Canada also leads them to start the Championships. I'll be watching to see if China can outrun Japan.


If GBR complete the race they should win bronze, no question.
Remember they ran faster than all but USA & JAM at Olympics even with a shitty change, and a worse team than this year.
It's not that simple, completing the race isn't going to do it, you need a fast time. GER for the first time in ages has fast individual runners & they practice like crazy. With good exchanges GER could go well below 38 seconds. And then there is FRA, who on paper are also capable of sub 38, if they get their exchanges right.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby mump boy » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:05 pm

Good Medal Chances

Mo x2
TBO
Perri
m4x1
w4x4
Shara

Long shots but stranger things have happened

James Dasaolu
Dai
Greg
Hannah England (i don't think she will but there is always a random bronze going spare in this race)
Tiffany Porter
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby gh » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:15 pm

I have no idea what the final-final version would look like, but it's important to note that "T&FN says" is at this point very much a SAID proposition. We may get righter/wronger when the ultimate version comes out later in the week
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby Marlow » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:24 pm

gh wrote:I have no idea what the final-final version would look like, but it's important to note that "T&FN says" is at this point very much a SAID proposition. We may get righter/wronger when the ultimate version comes out later in the week

With the last-minutes news that eventually comes out on the eve of a major championship, even a formchart made 3 days prior will be obsolete.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby iain » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:58 pm

norunner wrote:
iain wrote:
batonless relay wrote:GBR for Bronze in the 4x1 is a bit of a wish, don't you think? They're knotted up with FRA and GER for best in Europe and Canada also leads them to start the Championships. I'll be watching to see if China can outrun Japan.


If GBR complete the race they should win bronze, no question.
Remember they ran faster than all but USA & JAM at Olympics even with a shitty change, and a worse team than this year.
It's not that simple, completing the race isn't going to do it, you need a fast time. GER for the first time in ages has fast individual runners & they practice like crazy. With good exchanges GER could go well below 38 seconds. And then there is FRA, who on paper are also capable of sub 38, if they get their exchanges right.



I'm saying that barring mishap they should get a good time :roll: GB are far superior to the Germans, also better than France. France ran 38.3 at the anniversary games, last year at the Olympics GB ran 37.9 with an awful change and Christian Malcolm on the first leg! We SHOULD win bronze. Clearly should and will are very different though :P
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby batonless relay » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:31 am

iain wrote:
norunner wrote:
iain wrote:
batonless relay wrote:GBR for Bronze in the 4x1 is a bit of a wish, don't you think? They're knotted up with FRA and GER for best in Europe and Canada also leads them to start the Championships. I'll be watching to see if China can outrun Japan.


If GBR complete the race they should win bronze, no question.
Remember they ran faster than all but USA & JAM at Olympics even with a shitty change, and a worse team than this year.
It's not that simple, completing the race isn't going to do it, you need a fast time. GER for the first time in ages has fast individual runners & they practice like crazy. With good exchanges GER could go well below 38 seconds. And then there is FRA, who on paper are also capable of sub 38, if they get their exchanges right.



I'm saying that barring mishap they should get a good time :roll: GB are far superior to the Germans, also better than France. France ran 38.3 at the anniversary games, last year at the Olympics GB ran 37.9 with an awful change and Christian Malcolm on the first leg! We SHOULD win bronze. Clearly should and will are very different though :P

Oh, I see the problem: you're discussing Fantasy Olympics! Because, in the real world, a 37.9 from GB would have certainly won Bronze from Trinidad. Or, are you talking about when the GBR relay CHEATS* were caught and disqualified in the semis? By the way, do you measure 24m SP fouls, too?

In all seriousness, GBR isn't any closer to a relay medal than they were last year. Yes, they could win Bronze, but have some ambition man: give them the gold; it only takes a drop by every other team that could challenge. CAN, JPN, GBR, FRA, GER would be the first favorites for Bronze and that field is pretty crowded. But, it doesn't end there; the addition of Churandy Martina allowed NED to achieve a NR in London and POL, AUS, SKN and China weren't too far behind and all of those teams look a bit stronger this year. So much so, that I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the bottom 5 for a bronze jump into the top-5 for a bronze by the time the semis are finished. Don't believe me? That GER team that are threatening to break 38 was 7th in their semi last year. And, that's why we LOVE relays.

* :wink:
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby TeWaio » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:54 am

bushop wrote:Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?

2012:
Olympic medalists:
01) Jessica Ennis (hept) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) silver
03) Mo Farah (10k) gold
04) Mo Farah (5k) gold
05) Greg Rutherford (LJ) gold
06) Robert Grabarz (HJ) bronze

Olympic top-12:
01) Dai Greene (400m h) 4th
02) men (4x400m) 4th
03) Yamilé Aldama (TJ) 5th
04) Steve Lewis (PV) 5th
05) Chris Tomlinson (LJ) 6th
06) Holly Bleasdale (PV) 6th
07) Shara Proctor (LJ) 9th
08) Lisa Dobriskey (1500) 10th
09) Laura Weightman (1500) 11th
10) Lawrence Okoye (DT) 12th
11) women (4x400m) 5th

T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:

Ennis-Hill out with injury

01) Mo Farah (5k)
02) Mo Farah (10k)
03) men (4x100m)


Both GB Hammer throwers were 12th also, Alex Smith and Sophie Hitchon
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby iain » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:58 am

You are just winding me up :P

While Germany have a good team this year, there is no way that they should beat GB. France have a weaker team than in previous years, and so do Canada. Netherlands are without van Luijk and Codrington, the Japanese are about level with previous years. And St Kitts? Really! A NR of 38.5 and no Kim Collins this year!
GB have:
James Dasaolu - 9.91
Dwain Chambers - 10.04
Harry Aikines Aryeetey - 10.08
Adam Gemili - 10.16 / 20.30
James Ellington - 10.17 / 20.42

Last year:
Adam Gemili - 10.05 / 20.38
Danny Talbot - 10.24 / 20.52
Dwain Chambers - 10.25 (improved to 10.02 at games)
Christian Malcolm - 10.27 / 20.46
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby iain » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:16 am

Clearly the 4x100m is not this simple, but this shows clearly that GB should be favourites for bronze:

JAM - 9.85, 9.87, 9.96, 9.99 = 39.67
USA - 9,89, 9.96, 9.96, 9.98 = 39.79
GBR - 9.91, 10.04, 10.08, 10.10 = 40.13
FRA - 9.95, 10.07, 10.22, 10.22 = 40.46
CAN - 10.05, 10.12, 10.14, 10.19 = 40.50
GER - 10.07, 10.08, 10.20, 10.21 = 40.56 (all times from the same race, some here called them suspect)
JPN - 10.01, 10.11, 10.23, 10.28 = 40.63
SKN - 10.01, 10.01, 10.25, 10.36 = 40.63 (40.25 with Collins)
TRI - 10.09, 10.14, 10.21, 10.24 = 40.68
CHN - 10.04, 10.06, 10.29, 10.30 = 40.69
NED - 10.03, 10.37, 10.38, 10.42 = 41.30
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby batonless relay » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:45 am

iain wrote:Clearly the 4x100m is not this simple, but this shows clearly that GB should be favourites for bronze:

JAM - 9.85, 9.87, 9.96, 9.99 = 39.67
USA - 9,89, 9.96, 9.96, 9.98 = 39.79
GBR - 9.91, 10.04, 10.08, 10.10 = 40.13
FRA - 9.95, 10.07, 10.22, 10.22 = 40.46
CAN - 10.05, 10.12, 10.14, 10.19 = 40.50
GER - 10.07, 10.08, 10.20, 10.21 = 40.56 (all times from the same race, some here called them suspect)
JPN - 10.01, 10.11, 10.23, 10.28 = 40.63
SKN - 10.01, 10.01, 10.25, 10.36 = 40.63 (40.25 with Collins)
TRI - 10.09, 10.14, 10.21, 10.24 = 40.68
CHN - 10.04, 10.06, 10.29, 10.30 = 40.69
NED - 10.03, 10.37, 10.38, 10.42 = 41.30

I'm wondering where you're getting that GBR 10.10 from but it matters not. If you think that HAA is the better than Lemaitre because of SB's, then you're the one pulling my leg. SB's, or even PB's for that matter, are indicators but not necessarily signifiers - they don't tell us what will or can happen. Why? Because running the 100m mostly tells you how well someone accelerates from the blocks and the relays are executed with running starts for all but the first leg. This gives teams like France an advantage because they have a horrifically poor blocks starter in Lemaitre. And, TRI, despite their SB's are still better sprinters than almost all other teams...how do we know this? Check the wind-aided marks. Bledman 9.86; Thompson, 9.91; Sorillo 9.99. TRI is still the bronze leader, imo, but they're very vulnerable.

Lastly, SKN. They ran 38.41 without Kim Collins in London. Adams was 10.10 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. Rogers was 10.06 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. If they can get equal to slightly better quality out of the other two sprinters than they're bumping against the 38 second line. The world is improving; and the best part about the relays is that it's coming from different places. Africa is absent and Asia is ascending; and with Rio '16 being only 3 years away you can expect improvement with the Brazilians. Hopefully, it will wake up the rest of South America.
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby norunner » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:54 am

iain wrote:Clearly the 4x100m is not this simple, but this shows clearly that GB should be favourites for bronze:

JAM - 9.85, 9.87, 9.96, 9.99 = 39.67
USA - 9,89, 9.96, 9.96, 9.98 = 39.79
GBR - 9.91, 10.04, 10.08, 10.10 = 40.13
FRA - 9.95, 10.07, 10.22, 10.22 = 40.46
CAN - 10.05, 10.12, 10.14, 10.19 = 40.50
GER - 10.07, 10.08, 10.20, 10.21 = 40.56 (all times from the same race, some here called them suspect)
JPN - 10.01, 10.11, 10.23, 10.28 = 40.63
SKN - 10.01, 10.01, 10.25, 10.36 = 40.63 (40.25 with Collins)
TRI - 10.09, 10.14, 10.21, 10.24 = 40.68
CHN - 10.04, 10.06, 10.29, 10.30 = 40.69
NED - 10.03, 10.37, 10.38, 10.42 = 41.30
GER time from same event, different races, remind me again, how many of the GBR times were from the same event in Birmingham and does anyone call that event suspect? 8-)
The main reason why GBR are not favourites: Exchanges, too often they don't get them done and that is what really matters in close competitions. I'm guessing GBR on paper were also faster than NL at the ECs last year and in Daegu they were faster than France and SKN, did they win any medals there?
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby iain » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 am

norunner wrote:GER time from same event, different races, remind me again, how many of the GBR times were from the same event in Birmingham and does anyone call that event suspect? 8-)
The main reason why GBR are not favourites: Exchanges, too often they don't get them done and that is what really matters in close competitions. I'm guessing GBR on paper were also faster than NL at the ECs last year and in Daegu they were faster than France and SKN, did they win any medals there?


I have actually mentioned exchanges a few times, saying GB are faces for bronze if they complete!
Hey I wasn't the one calling them suspect :mrgreen:

batonless relay wrote:I'm wondering where you're getting that GBR 10.10 from but it matters not. If you think that HAA is the better than Lemaitre because of SB's, then you're the one pulling my leg. SB's, or even PB's for that matter, are indicators but not necessarily signifiers - they don't tell us what will or can happen. Why? Because running the 100m mostly tells you how well someone accelerates from the blocks and the relays are executed with running starts for all but the first leg. This gives teams like France an advantage because they have a horrifically poor blocks starter in Lemaitre. And, TRI, despite their SB's are still better sprinters than almost all other teams...how do we know this? Check the wind-aided marks. Bledman 9.86; Thompson, 9.91; Sorillo 9.99. TRI is still the bronze leader, imo, but they're very vulnerable.

Lastly, SKN. They ran 38.41 without Kim Collins in London. Adams was 10.10 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. Rogers was 10.06 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. If they can get equal to slightly better quality out of the other two sprinters than they're bumping against the 38 second line. The world is improving; and the best part about the relays is that it's coming from different places. Africa is absent and Asia is ascending; and with Rio '16 being only 3 years away you can expect improvement with the Brazilians. Hopefully, it will wake up the rest of South America.


It was a time from Joel Fearon. Really he won't be in the team, but I just took fastest four. Gemili who has a 10.14 he had an awful start, Lemaitre-esque.
No I don't think HAA is quicker than Lenaitre on SBs because Lemaitre has run 0.01 quicker ;P
Clearly, these are just an indicator, as I pointed out at the top o my post, but GB are a long way ahead of France on those times, so they give a good idea.

So the fact that SKN ran 38.4 on a super quick track, admittedly with marginally slower runners, means they will get close to 38? Hmmm :roll:

Clearly we will not agree, but I hope I have shown that GB for bronze, is not, as you called it 'a bit of a wish'
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:07 pm

Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?

2012:
Olympic medalists:
01) Jessica Ennis (hept) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) silver
03) Mo Farah (10k) gold
04) Mo Farah (5k) gold
05) Greg Rutherford (LJ) gold
06) Robert Grabarz (HJ) bronze

Olympic top-12:
01) Dai Greene (400m h) 4th
02) men (4x400m) 4th
03) Yamilé Aldama (TJ) 5th
04) Steve Lewis (PV) 5th
05) Chris Tomlinson (LJ) 6th
06) Holly Bleasdale (PV) 6th
07) Shara Proctor (LJ) 9th
08) Lisa Dobriskey (1500) 10th
09) Laura Weightman (1500) 11th
10) Lawrence Okoye (DT) 12th
11) women (4x400m) 5th

T&F News Moscow World Championship top-10 picks:

Ennis-Hill out with injury

01) James Dasaolou (5th 100m)
02) Andrew Osagie (10th 800m)
03) Mo Farah (1st 5k)
04) Mo Farah (1st 10k)
05) men's 4x100m (3rd)
06) men's 4x400m (5th)
07) Robbie Grabarz (7th high jump)
08) Steve Lewis (10th pole vault)
09) Greg Rutherford (3rd long jump)
10) Christine Ohuruogu (3rd 400m)
11) Tiffany Porter (5th 100m hurdles)
12) Perri Shakes-Drayton (2nd 400m hurdles)
13) Eilidh Child (8th 400m hurdles)
14) women's 4x100m (5th)
15) men's 4x400m (4th)
16) Shara Proctor (5th hammer)
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:52 pm

T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:

01) Mo Farah (10k) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) gold

01) Mo Farah (1st 5k)
02) men's 4x100m (3rd)
03) Greg Rutherford (3rd long jump)
04) Perri Shakes-Drayton (2nd 400m hurdles)
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