Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)


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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 9:10 am

just curious... why is Jeff Demps' legal 10.01 not on T&FN's World junior record list, but is on the American junior record list?
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/285
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/511
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:33 am

gh wrote:
user4 wrote:Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials. .....


And in the greatest irony of all, it was Swiss Timing equipment run by a Swiss crew. If you can't trust Swiss Timing, who can you trust?!!!!

(the problem is that it was a new system, and there was a bug that had gone unrealized: indeed, I don't think they ever publicly admitted it; had they, the IAAF would have grounds for decertifying the mark)


Referring to the W100m "WR" ... how in heavens name does a governing body simply rubber stamp the use of new equipment without the old equipment serving as redundant backup ?.. Certainly dispassionate and objective officials did not give cheers of joy at such a decision. I suspect that had they been asked they would have weighed in vocally never to completely supplant the old reliable gear cutting all chords with the past and allowing a packaged pallet of new equipment to be air dropped onto the infield.

Change that is slow and deliberate and never "all-or-nothing" is always safest in these matters. Bring back the impeller wind gauges!!!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 9:39 am

gktrack wrote:just curious... why is Jeff Demps' legal 10.01 not on T&FN's World junior record list, but is on the American junior record list?
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/285
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/511


read my post 4 above yours.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 10:52 am

My bad.. fell asleep on the posting and was late. Surprised '08 Oly Trials didn't have the most strict wind reading guidelines in place, so if any WR was set there (senior or junior) with applicable wind readings, they would not been counted, as Demps' wasn't?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 10:54 am

I don't know. It's possible the zero test was performed at other times in the meet. The Demps mark was set in the quarterfinals, which isn't usually viewed as WR-setting territory. (It's also possible it was never run; I have no data ne way or the other)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Thu May 16, 2013 11:06 am

i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad. though it sucks a bit the way things panned out.
moving forward, "our man" beat a sub 10 guy in tokyo.
we know kiryu is fast. the intrugue remains.

kiryu has all the time in the world to emulate and better 10.0.
there will be tons of pressure on the kid, but if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Thu May 16, 2013 11:59 am

gh wrote:As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?


I mean, I don't think I would, but... I'm not gonna lie... I'd be at least a little bit tempted :twisted:
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 16, 2013 12:17 pm

gibson wrote:i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad. though it sucks a bit the way things panned out.
moving forward, "our man" beat a sub 10 guy in tokyo.
we know kiryu is fast. the intrugue remains.

kiryu has all the time in the world to emulate and better 10.0.
there will be tons of pressure on the kid, but if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.

On what evidence do you think the 10.01 "was a bit windy"? LOL. You can see 0.9 wind, on video, with no flags?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Fri May 17, 2013 10:12 am

re: looked a bit windy.

the flaggy thingy was blowing at half mast,
but clip boards indicated no wind and
people's hair was not blowing around as well.

so a bit windy it was. not much. a trifle but not a truffle. a smidgen if you will..
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Fri May 17, 2013 10:53 am

gibson wrote:re: looked a bit windy.

the flaggy thingy was blowing at half mast,
but clip boards indicated no wind and
people's hair was not blowing around as well.

so a bit windy it was. not much. a trifle but not a truffle. a smidgen if you will..

I call utter and complete BS. There is no "flaggy thing blowing at half mast" in the entire video of his 10.01 race. At all. It was definitely not "windy".

Why are you making it up? :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrOH4xJwyTs - Here is a view from side/behind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCe6_ocbeg - From the side/Front
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 29, 2013 6:20 am

I guess if you don't break or threaten a record our sport fails to keep abreast of significant progress, but ...

2 20.59 +1.6 Yoshihide KIRYU 15 DEC 1995 JPN 1 Kyoto 19 MAY 2013

that's the second fastest time by a junior this year (according to IAAF.com); fastest is by his countryman.

1 20.35 -0.3 Akiyuki HASHIMOTO 18 NOV 1994 JPN 1r3 Fukuroi 03 MAY 2013
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Thu May 30, 2013 8:23 am

gotta love the passion seen here in track and field.
the half mast thing showing wind is not so important.
i can't find the vid that shows it better, little gusts, but see at 52 seconds what i saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUDtvn4sx4
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:36 am

The direction of the movement does not appear to be down the track but across it. The 2mps is not the maximum speed of legal wind, it is the wind vector down the track that has a limit of 2mps. At 1:40 the horizontal jump board official raises a white flag that also looks like it might be getting wind going across the track, although the motion (and changing angle) of the flag makes that hard to determine. It might be interesting to get what the wind readings on the two jumps before and after (45 seconds) the 100m race were.

This link shows that same sock at 7 seconds and again the one across the track at 1:16; in the later case it looks like it is a bit more than 45 degrees (i.e., a bit more across the track [90 deg] than down the track [0 deg]), with the one closer to the stands appearing to be a bit larger angle (e.g., 55-65 deg).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-oCe6_ocbeg&feature=endscreen
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 30, 2013 9:43 am

gibson wrote:gotta love the passion seen here in track and field.
the half mast thing showing wind is not so important.
i can't find the vid that shows it better, little gusts, but see at 52 seconds what i saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUDtvn4sx4

The passion is always good, it's the FICTION we have to be aware of. You can't find it because it probably doesn't exist. No one said there was NO wind (the race registered 0.9 for heavens sake), just that the race was NOT "windy", which is how you are attempting to describe it to lessen the result (see below).
gibson wrote:i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad.
... if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.


His result is no less valid than most/any other sub-10.10 race(s). In fact, gh, made mention of wind being one of the PRIMARY reasons why sub-10 is breached a few months back. 0.9 is on the LOW side, fwiw.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50255

gh wrote:
26mi235 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:
gh wrote:sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476

396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.

But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s :)

the difference between a mile list and a 100 list is that you know the mile list probably doesn't have any marks on it that were achieved through the aid of wind and/or altitude and/or questionable starting.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:44 pm

20.41 for 200m today, wind +0.5. New Japanese HS record, #2 on the junior list for 2013 (#1 Hashimoto is also Japanese).
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:57 pm

18.99s wrote:20.41 for 200m today, wind +0.5. New Japanese HS record, #2 on the junior list for 2013 (#1 Hashimoto is also Japanese).


YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so pumped for this kid

Can't wait to see what he does in Moscow!!!

Good luck Yoshi!!!!!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby mal » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:11 pm

loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:19 pm

mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


You saw a close-up video of the race? Where? All I saw was this video taken by somebody in the crowd, with no zoom so they look like ants on the curve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzYCNimVNRM

Despite the low-quality image, it's obvious that it was raining, so that makes the 20.41 more awesome.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:27 am

i'm seeing a lot of drizzle type rain and a very legit 20.4.
20.0 is possible now for the lad in good conditions.

speaking of good conditions, what is this effort worth, say at mexico city with a 3+ wind (that the gauges show exactly 0.0)?

someone said that kiryu is slight,, huh? i see a MMA type body at light-middle weight. check it;
http://images.supersport.com/2013/5/YoshihideKiryu130405RunsG300.jpghttp://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201305/n_46102_4.jpg

here is borzov, a man among boys, notice how slender the other runners are.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W2oxhVu5JWI/S ... borzov.jpg

i'd say between the two, the japanese figure comes more from nature while the russian physique is more "engineered".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby EPelle » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:39 am

Its value would be 10,18w (+3,0) in Mexico city.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby mal » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:27 am

18.99s wrote:
mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


You saw a close-up video of the race? Where? All I saw was this video taken by somebody in the crowd, with no zoom so they look like ants on the curve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzYCNimVNRM

Despite the low-quality image, it's obvious that it was raining, so that makes the 20.41 more awesome.


I saw the post on here. 100m not the 200. I just looked at that. pfft.
Crowd post, clear for the first 20 then he runs away. His rhythm and balance (not his size) is very much like Borzov - to me.
this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUDtvn4sx4

He has a lot of 'work' to do in his last 50 though, especially the last 10. He didn't have the same control that the young lad who ran 9.99 in the high school meet displayed
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Madd Marine » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:10 pm

gibson wrote:i'm seeing a lot of drizzle type rain and a very legit 20.4.
20.0 is possible now for the lad in good conditions.

speaking of good conditions, what is this effort worth, say at mexico city with a 3+ wind (that the gauges show exactly 0.0)?

someone said that kiryu is slight,, huh? i see a MMA type body at light-middle weight. check it;
http://images.supersport.com/2013/5/YoshihideKiryu130405RunsG300.jpghttp://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201305/n_46102_4.jpg

here is borzov, a man among boys, notice how slender the other runners are.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W2oxhVu5JWI/S ... borzov.jpg

i'd say between the two, the japanese figure comes more from nature while the russian physique is more "engineered".


I saw a pic of Borzov shirtless, and I will have to say that despite his leg development, he had the upper body of a couch potato who's "skinny fat" - no muscle to speak of. If it were all drugs the USSR would have had 10 Borzovs. I'm not saying there weren't PEDs involved, but Borzov was no specimen from the waist up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby steve » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:57 pm

Madd Marine wrote:I saw a pic of Borzov shirtless, and I will have to say that despite his leg development, he had the upper body of a couch potato who's "skinny fat" - no muscle to speak of. If it were all drugs the USSR would have had 10 Borzovs. I'm not saying there weren't PEDs involved, but Borzov was no specimen from the waist up.


http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-p ... /108877984

http://ifitshipitshere.blogspot.com/201 ... rings.html
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:15 pm

I see Kiryu is on the start list for the DL Birmingham 100m. So is Kim Collins. That means the youngest ever to run sub-10.10 is lining up against the oldest man to ever do the same.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:02 pm

mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


comparing the latest HS phenom with one of the handful of OG 100/200 double gold winners in all of history ?... lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby mal » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:30 am

user4 wrote:
mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


comparing the latest HS phenom with one of the handful of OG 100/200 double gold winners in all of history ?... lets not get ahead of ourselves.


Actually good post. But I said he looked like him. Not that he had his quality.

However they both seem to run about the same time. Or is the kid faster? :lol: And the kid still has some 'growing' to do.

And looking like Errol Flynn doesn't make you a great "swordsman".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby positive force » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:08 pm

nicest person ever wrote:Can anyone here weigh in on how the Japanese high school track & field season usually goes? Like, when it roughly begins and ends, and what types of high school district or overall championship events they have, and what time those tend to take place, etc?

The Japanese meet schedule is posted earlier, but Japanese school years begin in the spring, so he's just a couple of months into his school year -- 3rd year HS? 4th year?
Japanese culture favors depth over breadth, so he'll be on the track team all year unless there are some special circumstances. Students will train all year in their discipline but race sporadically.
Curious about his high school, as facilities vary greatly from high school to high school (dirt tracks/no track), unless he's working with a special program outside of school. Rakunan High School is centrally located in Kyoto, so it's probably well-equipped. Better schools are centrally located to reward students who do well on entrance exams shorter commutes while the others have hour-long train rides up into the hills.
Exciting stuff!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby rfv » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:52 am

positive force wrote:
nicest person ever wrote:Can anyone here weigh in on how the Japanese high school track & field season usually goes? Like, when it roughly begins and ends, and what types of high school district or overall championship events they have, and what time those tend to take place, etc?

The Japanese meet schedule is posted earlier, but Japanese school years begin in the spring, so he's just a couple of months into his school year -- 3rd year HS? 4th year?
Japanese culture favors depth over breadth, so he'll be on the track team all year unless there are some special circumstances. Students will train all year in their discipline but race sporadically.
Curious about his high school, as facilities vary greatly from high school to high school (dirt tracks/no track), unless he's working with a special program outside of school. Rakunan High School is centrally located in Kyoto, so it's probably well-equipped. Better schools are centrally located to reward students who do well on entrance exams shorter commutes while the others have hour-long train rides up into the hills.
Exciting stuff!

His high school is not well equipped at all.
http://goo.gl/maps/2Xcnp
It is dirt ground with probably a rubber lane or two for long jump.

He said he has chances to run complete 100m only in races since the ground is so small.
Maybe that partly explains why he has great acceleration (he reaches his top speed at around 40m to 50m) but seems a bit weak in the last part of a race.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby El Toro » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:18 am

positive force wrote:Curious about his high school, as facilities vary greatly from high school to high school (dirt tracks/no track), unless he's working with a special program outside of school.


There is no track at his high school but the Nishikyogoku Athletic Stadium is about 3km away. It is mostly a soccer stadium with associated training track. I'm assuming that is where he trains but have no evidence of this.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:33 am

mal wrote:
user4 wrote:
mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


comparing the latest HS phenom with one of the handful of OG 100/200 double gold winners in all of history ?... lets not get ahead of ourselves.


Actually good post. But I said he looked like him. Not that he had his quality.

However they both seem to run about the same time. Or is the kid faster? :lol: And the kid still has some 'growing' to do.

And looking like Errol Flynn doesn't make you a great "swordsman".


Based on his 10.5 in the UK this week it is fair to guess that there was something wrong with the timing or wind gauge in his 10.0 a few months ago. Right now Id say he is a legit 10.3 talent and that is very impressive for a 16 year old.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby mal » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:27 am

I don't think its fair to guess anything.

Its in the record books. He's a kid. Stuff happens. Maybe his Wii broke and he was in a funk?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby dustoff » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:45 am

So people don't want to believe his time, but they believe that Kemar Bailey-Cole ran 10.3 and finished dead last at Pre and then ran 9.9 with a headwind just days later?

Kiryu is young and less experienced. Simple as that, in my opinion.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby az2004 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:44 am

does kiryu have to run the 1st round of the 100 or does he bypass that round

for me the proff will be what he runs in Moscow

lomdon was a failure, but it really will count in moscow
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Backflip » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:27 am

You guys have to consider the fact that this was his first time competing in a competition of this level outside of his country. Of course he was a little off. Remember, he is 17!

Also, he did give Mike Rodgers a run for his money in May.....he is legit.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Master Po » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:10 am

This from Japan Running News:

http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/20 ... -60-m.html

Kiryu runs 6.63, then 6.59 at Japan's Indoor Ch. Now 18yo (dob 15 December 1995) & a HS senior, these seem like pretty good marks -- afaik, this is his first indoor season. I wonder if he will run Asian Indoor Ch. this weekend. I don't have much other comparative contexts for these marks beyond what's stated on this JRN post, and am not arguing for their "world-historical" significance :) but these marks seem pretty good for a just-turned-18yo HS senior. Placed on the all-time US hs list, for instance, he would be #2.
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