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Re: USA Multis

Postby TimRoy » Fri May 10, 2013 11:48 am

Marlow wrote:
TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh


Well said.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri May 10, 2013 11:50 am

Alcide wins the SEC Hept with a score of 5968.
She missed the meet record by just 1 point!!
Her 800 in 2:13+ made up quite a bit for her LJ and JT.
Bougard finished with 5786 in 2nd.
That places Alcide 16th on the A-T Collegiate list.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 1:07 pm

Now three events and Barrefors has moved up the list on the heels of his meet-best 14/15/46 5 SP

Ziemek 2588
Barrefors 2442 [PR is 7897, listed as the Big Ten record (probably excludes wind-aided marks)]
Kunze and Foss 2367
Schofield 2333

One of the WI: Schrieb missed his PR by 2cm, Foss got his by 5cm, and Ziemek got his outdoor PR by a lot (59cm) but missed his indoor mark by 15cm. The weather has remained breezy, with light rain and 65 degrees.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 1:49 pm

Disappointing close to the SEC decathlon, as everyone was well below PRs in the PV, JT, and 1500.

Final scores:
Uibo 7781
Lazas 7579
Franks 7520
. . .
5. Scantling 6943
Had Scantling vaulted 4.85 (25cm under his PR), everything else being equal, he would have outscored Uibo. (But given all the low vaults, conditions must have been bad.)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 2:18 pm

It is probably between these two for the Big Ten Hept title (Latham is not doing the Hept until NCAAs if she has a top-16 has a 5493 ~12th, so not certain).


Place Athlete Points 100mH HJ SP 200m LJ JT 800m
1 Marissa Golliday SR Illinois 3443 14.13 w: +1.8 960 1.74m 5-8 ½ 903 (1863) 11.49m 37-8 ½ 627 (2490) 24.29 w: +1.4 953 (3443)

2 Dorcas Akinniyi SR Wisconsin 3410 (-33) 14.25 w: +2.2 943 (943) 1.74m 5-8 ½ 903 (1846) 13.55m 44-5 ½ 764 (2610) 25.97 w: +2.3 800
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 3:53 pm

The Big Ten results website has become more or less useless the last several hours. I do know that Ziemek ran 50.46 (old PR 51.52, but that was soft). PRs the rest of the way (plus a 5:00 1500; he has not really run one) yields 8065, but that assumes a 206 HJ [only 191, losing 136 points and his margin for 8000], which is completed but for which there is no information.


Now, finally -- the weather killed the HJ for a lot of athletes and there were some NH (Szmanda) and it is a tight fight after first, with 35 points between second and eighth. And, with variable event strength even the 248 first-place margin is not very secure, given day 2 weakness.

1 Zach Ziemek 4105 10.6 7.65m 12.94m 1.91m 50.46
SO Wisconsin 25-1 ¼ 42-5 ½ 6-3 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 4.0
952 972 664 723 794
2 Bjorn Barrefors 3857 11.03 7.15m 14.15m 1.88m 52.13
SR Nebraska 23-5 ½ 46-5 ¼ 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 2.4
854 850 738 696 719
3 Charlie Foss 3830 10.92 7.12m 12.66m 1.88m 51.04
FR Wisconsin 23-4 ½ 41-6 ½ 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 3.8
878 842 647 696 767
4 Kenny Schofield 3828 11.1 6.99m 13.35m 1.97m 52.25
JR Minnesota 22-11 ¼ 43-9 ¾ 6-5 ½
w: +3.3 w: 2.9
838 811 689 776 714
5 Teran Walford 3828 10.99 6.87m 12.37m 1.88m 49.1
SR Nebraska 22-6 ½ 40-7 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 4.8
863 783 629 696 857
6 Corey Hammon 3825 10.97 6.82m 12.16m 1.94m 49.83
JR Illinois 22-4 ½ 39-10 ¾ 6-4 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 4.4
867 771 616 749 822
7 Dylan Anderson 3823 11.05 7.35m 11.26m 1.97m 51.73
FR Indiana 24-1 ½ 36-11 ½ 6-5 ½
w: +3.3 w: 4.9
850 898 562 776 737
8 Kurt Reichenbach 3822 11.18 7.02m 12.38m 1.94m 50.2
SR Michigan 23-0 ½ 40-7 ½ 6-4 ¼
w: +3.3 w: 4.4
821 818 629 749 805
9 Cory Kunze 3773 11.07 7.40m 12.10m 1.85m 51.75
JR Ohio State 24-3 ½ 39-8 ½ 6-0 ¾
w: +3.3 w: 5.2
845 910 612 670 736
10 Ben Schreib 3730 11.42 6.94m 13.11m 1.97m 52.3
FR Wisconsin 22-9 ¼ 43-0 ¼ 6-5 ½
w: +2.5 w: 3.1
769 799 674 776 712
11 Heath Nickles 3679 11.38 6.62m 13.36m 1.94m 51.69
SR Ohio State 21-8 ¾ 43-10 6-4 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 3.1
778 725 689 749 738
12 Matt Gerbick 3620 11.22 6.75m 10.08m 2.03m 51.84
SO Indiana 22-1 ¾ 33-1 8-Jun
w: +2.5 w: 1.3
812 755 490 831 732
13 Kyle Reid 3576 10.95 6.56m 11.54m 1.73m 49.34
JR Iowa 21-6 ¼ 37-10 ½ 8-May
w: +3.3 w: 2.2
872 711 579 569 845
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Fri May 10, 2013 4:10 pm

True USA decathlon weather this week.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gm » Fri May 10, 2013 4:36 pm

Breakthrough performance for Vanessa Jules of Marshall at the C-USA Championships in Houston. She scored 5807 to add more than 500 points to her existing PR.

http://flashresultstexas.com/2013/cusaoutdoor13/
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 4:56 pm

Marlow wrote:
TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh

You stay a wake until 4 am to watch Doha and follow the decathlon.
Then, you go to sleep happy (even though Felix lost) and do last rough calculation that Scantling will go over 8000 this time, Ziemek is in good shape and Lazas will score more than 7,800.
You wake up in the morning, run to your computer and then this...
Triple Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh (I would use another word but then I will get ban)

Hope weather in Eugene will smile to them (or at least won't abuse them).
To the up side (I know it is hard) Scantling continue to break his PBs with 710 points improvement this year.
Ziemek (that have to score well to qualify for the NCAA) have another good competition and now have a sum of PBs above 8000 (582 points improvement). He should score more than 7,800, lets hope that he will not have a Scantling type of second day.
Both Alcide and Bougard broke their PB in the Heptathlon. Alcide set the "B" and since I doubt very much that Saint Lucia have another heptathlete she just book herself a plane ticket to Moscow
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 8:23 pm

DecFan wrote:
gktrack wrote:DecFan - I had Lazas a bit more down on his DT PR of 43.25? (all-athletics), or might that be a junior/HS mark in the wrong place? Scantling looking real good for 8000 though.



I was using Lazas PRs from decathlon2000. I suspect decathlon2000 may have been out of date, not including a recent DT outside of decathlon competition. My calculations at the end of the first day were based on that lower DT PR.

Anyone know for sure?

Lazas PR in the DT is 41.99
http://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/3277431.html
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sat May 11, 2013 12:12 pm

The Big Ten has also tailed off a little on day 2. Ziemek leads at 7171 (by 279 points)

1 Z. Ziemek, UW - 7171 pts. 2. B. Barrefors, NU - 6892 3. C.Kunze, OSU - 6695

600 (4:53) gives him 7871; he will probably take it easy in the 1500 though and run a 5:10 or something comfortable. He ran 15.10 110h, just off his week-old PR or 15.04; PV only 500 except he was clean at that height and they did not show anything more in the results (room?), so he might have just stopped. He ran 5:16 for 7640. Wisconsin wins both Indoor and Outdoor Big Ten titles -- with four different athletes (Cato/Ziemek; Flax/Akinniyi).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 12, 2013 1:09 pm

Notable results for the multis, Latham (WI) did individual events (Akinniyi did the Hept, needing a Q and coming back from some injuries) instead of the Hept. She has been improving her 100h time (had 13.75 at NCAAs in 2012 5606). With a good wind (3.1) she went all the way down into hurdler territory -- 13.15.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 9:40 pm

From T&FN's "Day's Best Reading": NCAA entries listed for the Dec in Eugene, in early June... A couple Europeans on top of the formchart, we'll see if a few of the USA kids can make a run.
http://www.ncaa.com/content/division-i-track-field-participants-results
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 17, 2013 7:01 pm

gktrack wrote:My gut tells me that Gunnar Nixon will be in Moscow this summer, being one of the younger ones and more likely on the steeper part of the improvement curve... and last I heard he was in full training by home in Oklahoma... but no sign of him yet outdoors as olorin mentions.

Nixon started is outdoor season in Atlanta Grand Prix:
100m - 10.85 PB (-0.3) previous PB 10.89 (+1.9)
SP - 14.03 outdoor PB (13.74) indoor PB 14.27

In the same competition Hardee and Eaton 15.28 and 14.84 in the SP
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 17, 2013 8:36 pm

Thanks olorin for the post - good to see Nixon heading to Gotzis on a good note.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby bruce3404 » Tue May 21, 2013 7:59 am

Anyone know what happened to Mike Morrison, former NCAA decathlon champ? He seems to have fallen completely off the radar since his 8118 win in Des Moines two years ago. Wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect to see him in London or Moscow.

Should be an interesting battle for the two slots open for Moscow in the decathlon (I'm considering Eaton an absolute lock). Nixon surely a threat, with Beach, Keys and Taiwo also in the hunt. I'd give an edge to Nixon since he'll be the best rested of the group.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gh » Tue May 21, 2013 8:09 am

Morrison is discussed on p. 4 of this thread
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Tue May 21, 2013 8:24 am

No sign of Morrison yet, except for a remote LJ competition indoors this year. Being so close to the U.S. Nationals, gotta wonder if the only time we'll see him and some of the other non-collegians will be in Des Moines.

olorin - re: Morrison, the sum of his PR's is probably closer to 8300 if you include his PR from high school of 17-6.25 (5.35) which he didn't get close to as a collegiate decathlete (16-8.75 / 5.10).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed May 22, 2013 6:09 am

Most of the top decathletes do not compete in the Regional and get a well deserve rest. The one that I could find on the enter list are:
Beach: PV, LJ
Gooris Daniel: PV
Ziemeck: LJ
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed May 22, 2013 7:11 am

On the Hept side, Latham is competing in the 100h (wind-aided best of 13.15) and Akinniyi in the HJ.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Sat May 25, 2013 8:47 am

At Gotzis: Not sure what the weather conditions are there, but Gunnar Nixon seems to be having a reasonably good meet thus far, scoring 4240 points (vs. sum of PR = 4399) on Day 1, sitting in 3rd place behind leader Warner of Canada at 4340...

Nixon's Marks:
100 - 10.92 (PR = 10.85)
LJ - 23-8.75 / 7.23 (PR = 24-5.5 / 7.45)
SP - 43-06 / 13.26 (PR = 46-0.5 / 14.03)
HJ - 7-0.5 / 2.15 (PR = 7-1.5 / 2.17)
400 - 48.92 (PR = 48.39)

His sum of PR totals from Day 2 = 3936, so he's looking good for the B standard, but will need to be on for the A standard
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sat May 25, 2013 9:55 pm

gktrack wrote:At Gotzis: Not sure what the weather conditions are there, but Gunnar Nixon seems to be having a reasonably good meet thus far, scoring 4240 points (vs. sum of PR = 4399) on Day 1, sitting in 3rd place behind leader Warner of Canada at 4340...

Nixon's Marks:
100 - 10.92 (PR = 10.85)
LJ - 23-8.75 / 7.23 (PR = 24-5.5 / 7.45)
SP - 43-06 / 13.26 (PR = 46-0.5 / 14.03)
HJ - 7-0.5 / 2.15 (PR = 7-1.5 / 2.17)
400 - 48.92 (PR = 48.39)

His sum of PR totals from Day 2 = 3936, so he's looking good for the B standard, but will need to be on for the A standard

The conditions are horrible (as mentioned in the Gotizs thread) and the prime reason why ~8200 will be enough to finish in the top three. Nixon probably lost his chance for the "A" when he had two foul jumps in the LJ before 7.23 in the final attempt. I didn't see the jump but I guess it was relatively safe jump, and that he lost 10-20cm at least.
On the bright side his HJ was really good and he had three good attempts at 2.18.
This is a good meet for Nixon that came as one of the lowest ranked decathlete and show that he can mixed it with the best Europeans.
As for the second day I hope he will improve his weak DT (PB 39.46)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Sat May 25, 2013 10:30 pm

Thanks olorin - keep us posted on Nixon. I hope weather is better Sunday at Gotzis, and will be very curious to see what Nixon throws in the DT and JT, as I have no clue where he is in those events (last I recall of his DT/JT is from last year).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun May 26, 2013 2:47 am

olorin wrote:The conditions are horrible (as mentioned in the Gotizs thread) and the prime reason why ~8200 will be enough to finish in the top three. Nixon probably lost his chance for the "A" when he had two foul jumps in the LJ before 7.23 in the final attempt. I didn't see the jump but I guess it was relatively safe jump, and that he lost 10-20cm at least.
On the bright side his HJ was really good and he had three good attempts at 2.18.
This is a good meet for Nixon that came as one of the lowest ranked decathlete and show that he can mixed it with the best Europeans.
As for the second day I hope he will improve his weak DT (PB 39.46)

Slightly better conditions at the beginning of the second day. Nixon very close to his PB in the 110h and a new PB in the DT - 41.70 (an improvement of more than two meters).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun May 26, 2013 5:52 am

olorin wrote:Slightly better conditions at the beginning of the second day. Nixon very close to his PB in the 110h and a new PB in the DT - 41.70 (an improvement of more than two meters).


4.66 PV for Nixon. This is outdoor PB (4.60) but still behind his indoor mark (4.80). 60m in the JT (PB 59.31) and 4:20.00 (PB 4:22.63) will score exactly 8200 points. Still have a chance to finish in the top three.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun May 26, 2013 7:38 am

olorin wrote:
olorin wrote:Slightly better conditions at the beginning of the second day. Nixon very close to his PB in the 110h and a new PB in the DT - 41.70 (an improvement of more than two meters).


4.66 PV for Nixon. This is outdoor PB (4.60) but still behind his indoor mark (4.80). 60m in the JT (PB 59.31) and 4:20.00 (PB 4:22.63) will score exactly 8200 points. Still have a chance to finish in the top three.

60.12 PB needs 4:20.4
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Sun May 26, 2013 8:16 am

olorin - woke up to see your event-by-event posts on Nixon - good stuff.
I'm now clicking on "Gesamt Herren" to see if the youngster hits the A of 8200, a good meet for him regardless.
http://vorarlberg-sport.orf.at/index.php?page=45213
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Sun May 26, 2013 8:24 am

Nixon's 1500 about 7 seconds below his PR, but finishes with a US-leading 8137. Next stop, Des Moines.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Sun May 26, 2013 8:29 am

Just to highlight the information contained in olorin's posts: In pretty poor conditions, Nixon set PRs in both the DT and JT. Also note that he won the 1500 outright, so didn't have anyone to pull him to a fast time there. He clearly is ready to go well over 8200 in Eugene. I have not yet looked in detail at where the other competitors stand, but Nixon certainly will have a good shot at making the team.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby bruce3404 » Sun May 26, 2013 9:34 am

DecFan wrote: He clearly is ready to go well over 8200 in Eugene.


His former Arkansas teammates sure wish that were true. They're locked into a tight battle for the NCAA title with Oregon and Texas A&M and his points would have made them favorites at the meet in Eugene in 10 days. Nixon will be competing in Des Moines in a little less than a month.
Nice to see someone else stepping up to fight for that slot (two, actually) behind Eaton and Hardee.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jon » Sun May 26, 2013 12:51 pm

Very impressed by Nixon's 8136 in those conditions at just 20 years old. As far as I can see, only one US decathlete at that age has ever scored higher - Rob Muzzio, who scored 8205 (he was actually 19 at the time, but no one of age 20 has scored higher). In good conditions, Nixon should be able to smash that mark this year.

In comparison, some other US decathletes' scores at age 20: Eaton 8122, Hardee 8041, Harlan 7948, Pappas 7499, Clay 7373.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Sun May 26, 2013 5:11 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
DecFan wrote: He clearly is ready to go well over 8200 in Eugene.


His former Arkansas teammates sure wish that were true. They're locked into a tight battle for the NCAA title with Oregon and Texas A&M and his points would have made them favorites at the meet in Eugene in 10 days. Nixon will be competing in Des Moines in a little less than a month.
Nice to see someone else stepping up to fight for that slot (two, actually) behind Eaton and Hardee.


Yes, of course, thanks for the correction. I was thinking USATF and wrote Eugene.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Sun May 26, 2013 5:26 pm

Jon wrote:Very impressed by Nixon's 8136 in those conditions at just 20 years old. As far as I can see, only one US decathlete at that age has ever scored higher - Rob Muzzio, who scored 8205 (he was actually 19 at the time, but no one of age 20 has scored higher). In good conditions, Nixon should be able to smash that mark this year.

In comparison, some other US decathletes' scores at age 20: Eaton 8122, Hardee 8041, Harlan 7948, Pappas 7499, Clay 7373.


Great stats.

For comparison, some others who did better than Muzzio before age 21:
Suarez 8527
Garcia 8496
Thompson 8470
Schrader 8248
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun May 26, 2013 6:06 pm

DecFan wrote:Just to highlight the information contained in olorin's posts: In pretty poor conditions, Nixon set PRs in both the DT and JT. Also note that he won the 1500 outright, so didn't have anyone to pull him to a fast time there. He clearly is ready to go well over 8200 in Eugene. I have not yet looked in detail at where the other competitors stand, but Nixon certainly will have a good shot at making the team.

In addition to the 1500 Nixon also won the HJ and his heats in the 100, 400 and 110h. In each of the heats he was drawn with athletes that were better on paper, and should have pushed him to faster times. Instead, he won without being pushed. The 400 was the prime example as it was similar to Eaton's run in London. He started really slowly maintaining contact with the leaders, then realized that the pace was too slow and run a real fast second half of the race and won easily (I think that this is one of the rare times that it was actually a negative split). I believe that with someone else running low 48 he could stay with him.

The most impressive part of his performance was his consistency throughout the ten events. Many other athletes broke their PB in one or two events, but Nixon was one of the few (the only one?) that perform close to his best in all 10 events (with a single hiccup in the LJ). If he will continue with this quality in the future he will be hard to bit for normal mortals (i.e. those that don't answer to name Ashton Eaton).

His best moment came in the HJ. In one of the 2.18 attempts he asked for crowd support (clapping his hand) and started to run. The crowd (great!!) was probably tired after a long competition and only partly responded. Nixon changed the direction of his run made a full circle stood before the crowd and asked again for their support. From that moment on he became a crowd favourite.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:56 am

Current ranking of US athlete after NCAA:

1 9039 Ashton EATON
2 8671 Trey HARDEE
3 8239 Jeremy TAIWO
4 8136 Gunnar NIXON
5 8086 Isaac MURPHY
6 8011 Curtis BEACH
7 8001 Dakotah KEYS
8 7955 Kevin LAZAS
9 7954 Gray HORN
10 7932 Wesley BRAY
11 7931 Joe DETMER
12 7873 Garrett SCANTLING
13 7862 Jack SZMANDA
14 7847 Austin BAHNER
15 7840 Chris RANDOLPH
16 7832 David GRZESIAK
17 7813 Terry PRENTICE
7,850 is the "A" standard to USATF so 12 athletes (assuming no injuries) already booked a place in Des Moines.
One athlete that is MIA is Miller Moss. He had one competition in which he was on his way to 8000+ score. Then, had a Beach type of JT and decided not to run the 1500. Since then I was expecting him to get the American "A" but he didn't compete. Is he injured or decided to retire?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:10 am

Miller Moss - MIA? I could not find any info on him in addition to what you stated, strange.

I'd maybe add Jake Arnold's 7840 from last year (June 2-3, 2012)... For some reason it has a question mark next to it, but I believe it was good enough to get him in the Oly Trials last year, and he's been doing meets here and there this year, dropping out at/before the 1500.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:15 am

So here's the deal with Eaton. He can go to DSM and score 7500 points and still make the team.
Hardee has the free pass, thus we get three more athletes. Of these three, only Taiwo and Eaton have A standards, thus it would take TWO more athletes to grab an A to knock Eaton out. Nixon is a possibility, but realistically no one else is going to get 8200. I don't expect anything beyond a "fun" meet for Ashton as he prepares to peak for the World's; in fact, once it becomes clear that no one else beyond Taiwo and, perhaps, Nixon grab an A, it's very possible that Eaton will withdraw or significantly ramp down his efforts, though he might work hard on the throws on day 2. That said, AE could probably wake up on XMAS morning and score an 8400 while half asleep.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:50 am

Remember that athletes can chase the standard after USA's till end of July.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:56 am

Bruce Kritzler wrote:Remember that athletes can chase the standard after USA's till end of July.

Good point, Bruce, and while it would be unlikely that they'd be in shape to do so (that would entail Nixon completing his third decathlon in two months and second in five weeks with Taiwo having to complete 4 decas in 11 weeks, including 3 in 7 weeks), maybe Eaton needs to do that XMAS morning score to feel completely safe.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby tgs3 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:13 pm

bruce3404 wrote:So here's the deal with Eaton. He can go to DSM and score 7500 points and still make the team.

If he finishes 4th (nh or 3 fouls in an event) and say Nixon wins with 8201 and Taiwo also finishes ahead of him, Eaton would be out of luck. If the top 3 at the trials are AAB, then it won't matter that Eaton has the A standard.
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