Marvin Bracy Going Pro?


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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby 18.99s » Wed May 15, 2013 5:46 am

JumboElliott wrote:Allyson Felix and Ajee Wilson both got free education from Adidas.

But they were both inside the world top 100 and US top 12 in their respective events before going pro, unlike Bracy who is outside the world top 100 and US top 30.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 15, 2013 6:34 am

18.99s wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Allyson Felix and Ajee Wilson both got free education from Adidas.

But they were both inside the world top 100 and US top 12 in their respective events before going pro, unlike Bracy who is outside the world top 100 and US top 30.

You keep saying the above like it's some kind of law when it's nothing of the sort. Companies often don't pay for performance, they pay for potential. Plus, your narrow stipulation that he is outside of the world 100 negates that he was world #10/US #4 indoors 2013 (and that he's been part-timing the endeavor). Everything about Bracy's ability and brief indoor campaign in 2013 tells me that Bracy can run 10.0x legal this year (or should); that's as good as any 19 year old performance - ever - and certainly as good as previous Adidas athletes Burns, Brown, Blake or Bailey (I'm starting to get the feeling they have a thing for sprinters with first initial "B"). This is a SMART move by Adidas.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby 18.99s » Wed May 15, 2013 6:38 am

batonless relay wrote:You keep saying the above like it's some kind of law when it's nothing of the sort. Companies often don't pay for performance, they pay for potential. Plus, your narrow stipulation that he is outside of the world 100 negates that he was world #10/US #4 indoors 2013 (and that he's been part-timing the endeavor).

He's outside the top 100 over the past 12 months. His 2013 ranking doesn't mean much at this stage of the season. Like McKayla Maroney, I am not impressed. Image
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 15, 2013 6:42 am

18.99s wrote:
batonless relay wrote:You keep saying the above like it's some kind of law when it's nothing of the sort. Companies often don't pay for performance, they pay for potential. Plus, your narrow stipulation that he is outside of the world 100 negates that he was world #10/US #4 indoors 2013 (and that he's been part-timing the endeavor).

He's outside the top 100 over the past 12 months. His 2013 ranking doesn't mean much at this stage of the season.

It certainly does for indoors which ended 3 months ago! You're trying to make the situation fit your argument...and you argument holds no weight. Why? Because he's already been signed by a multibillion dollar multi-national company that employs people who do this for a living - not to mention they have another division that does virtually the same thing. I would think they know their business considerably better than you do. This is not a hypothetical. He's a Pro now, it's no longer speculation of whether he will turn pro. Good luck to him.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby 18.99s » Wed May 15, 2013 6:47 am

batonless relay wrote:I would think they know their business considerably better than you do.

Yes they do. And that is why they're giving him only free shoes and a salary that's peanuts.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 15, 2013 6:56 am

18.99s wrote:
batonless relay wrote:I would think they know their business considerably better than you do.

Yes they do. And that is why they're giving him only free shoes and peanuts.

Now, you're talking like you definitely know what Adidas is paying him and what his worth is when you previously said:

18.99s wrote:...when it comes to going pro (instead of transferring to another school that would give him a track-only full scholarship), it looks like either he or adidas made a bad decision. Either they're not paying him much, which means he gave up too much by leaving behind the education + travel & medical benefits of being on a scholarship, or they're paying him a lot which is a risky investment in a 10.25 sprinter who is still recovering from a long-time nagging injury.

Anything Adidas is paying him, which you don't seem to know in the above post, is MORE than what FSU could - and it's likely that they're also paying for any college which is the equivalent of a scholarship.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 15, 2013 6:58 am

18.99s wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Allyson Felix and Ajee Wilson both got free education from Adidas.

But they were both inside the world top 100 and US top 12 in their respective events before going pro, unlike Bracy who is outside the world top 100 and US top 30.

You're aware that the potential return on investment for a male 100m runner is exponentially higher than that of a female middle distance runner or sprinter, right?
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby sprintdoc » Wed May 15, 2013 9:02 am

His base deal is peanuts but has huge bonus incentives for time and teams made. IF he actually hits the targets his deal far exceeds what FSU offered in a scholarship but if not then will have made a mistake. Most of the deals that include college are really just a tax issue but at the end of the day money is money depending on if used to pay for tuition or new ride with tricked out rims and mega bass sound system.

Keep in mind the hidden costs a college provides (travel, medical, hotel, food). Some meets include this for certain athletes but until he reaches a certain level he doesn't get this. Really depends on who his agent is. Since he is with Brauman I assume adidas is just taking his coaching stipend money and giving that to Brauman but for many athletes turning pro they have to pay a coaching fee as well to whom ever is thier coach.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed May 15, 2013 9:13 am

JumboElliott wrote:You're aware that the potential return on investment for a male 100m runner is exponentially higher than that of a female middle distance runner or sprinter, right?

Marathoners make salaries comparable to 100-meter runners. I'm sure many sprinters would have loved to have traded bank accounts with Paula Radcliffe in her heyday.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed May 15, 2013 9:16 am

sprintdoc wrote:Keep in mind the hidden costs a college provides (travel, medical, hotel, food). Some meets include this for certain athletes but until he reaches a certain level he doesn't get this.

And don't forget the team of trainers, doctors and message therapists that travel with some of the big-time track programs.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 15, 2013 9:54 am

For the sake of salaries, I don't really consider the marathon to be in the same league. It's an entirely separate economy.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed May 15, 2013 10:30 am

JumboElliott wrote:For the sake of salaries, I don't really consider the marathon to be in the same league. It's an entirely separate economy.

You're welcome to rationalize and qualify your original statement, but the bottom line is that financially speaking, the marathon is to distance runners what the 100 meters is to sprinters. The difference is that distance runners typically move up to the marathon in the latter parts of their careers while sprinters move up away from the 100 meters in the latter parts of their careers, so sprinters make the big money when they're young while distance runners make the big money when they're old.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 15, 2013 2:09 pm

Paula also operated in a country that follows distance running. If you think that Galen Rupp gets paid anywhere near what Mo Farah is paid, you have another thing coming.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed May 15, 2013 2:16 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Paula also operated in a country that follows distance running. If you think that Galen Rupp gets paid anywhere near what Mo Farah is paid, you have another thing coming.

Well, double Olympic gold medalist usually do get paid more than single Olympic silver medalist, so I don't think your speculation and conjecture on the salaries of Rupp and Farah is very insightful, it's more like common sense.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby KevinM » Wed May 15, 2013 2:28 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Paula also operated in a country that follows distance running. If you think that Galen Rupp gets paid anywhere near what Mo Farah is paid, you have another thing coming.


You're likely right, but keep in mind Farah doesn't have a "thanks for staying 'amateur' and running for Oregon" clause in his contract.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby Dave » Wed May 15, 2013 4:45 pm

Is Bracy scheduled to run in any meets any time soon?
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby gktrack » Wed May 15, 2013 5:06 pm

Dave wrote:Is Bracy scheduled to run in any meets any time soon?

I assume he's gotta surface soon with Nationals about a month away? I believe his only mark this year is his FL Relays 10.20 (2.1) for FSU. He did nip Mike Rodgers in that race though, although coming in 3rd.
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Re: Marvin Bracy Going Pro?

Postby smc » Fri May 17, 2013 3:37 pm

Supposedly running a meet in Florida early next month.
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