Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain


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Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat May 04, 2013 9:42 pm

STOP!!
Despite the title, this is NOT just another Mary Cain thread.
This is about 4 races, loaded with fast entrants, in a new meet that is centered on two 800 races and two 1 mile races.
It's tomorrow night (It's still Saturday here in WA state!!) in San Diego.
Here's some of the main entrants in the 4 races....with some comments.

Women's mile:
Felnagle, L Wallace, Mackey, Kampf, Buckman, Kuijken, C Reilly, Infeld, Stellingwerf, and S Vaughn.
5 or 6 of these women have 1500 PR's of 4:05-4:08.
Based on recent races, I'd pick Mackey, Vaughn, Felnagle, and Wallace as the top 4, in no particular order.
Predicted time.......something under 4:30.
(Sorry, won't get any more specific than that!!)

Men's mile:
Torrence, Brannen, Acosta, van der Westhuizen, McNamara.
A handful of these have PR's between 3:34 and 3:36 for 1500.
I'll pick Torrence or Brannen....in something under 3:55.

Men's 800:
Solomon, Jock, R Martin, B Lalang, Lomong, and Sowinski.
This one's LOADED!! (Wish Symmonds was running!!)
Sowinski or Solomon?
Under 1:44??
Jock's been running good.
And what can Lomong do in an 800??

Women's 800:
Gall, Moser, Price, Wright, Martinez, Bowman Brown, and Cain.
NO......Cain will NOT win!!
Not even me, maybe her most enthusiastic fan, will pick her to win.
And maybe not even be in the top three!!
Will she get the HSR??
I'd say the odds are about 80-20 AGAINST!!
Gallagher's 2:00.07 is just too GREAT a mark!!
31 years old already....and it may last another few years (but not another 31!!).
FloTrack is picking Martinez to win, with Wright and Moser next, then Gall.
They think Cain will beat only Bowman Brown.

I disagree.
Cain won't win....but she'll be somewhere in the middle.....closer to the top 3 than to the last 3!!
The winning time?
FloTrack thinks it'll go sub-2:00....and so do I.
Maybe 2 or 3 going under.
Cain??
2:01 to 2:04.

BTW, the meet DOES have some other events!!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 10:08 am

Cain--2:01.68!!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 10:19 am

The Re-Run results site says "no results yet"......but those 4 races are finished!!
Anyone have the complete results......of all 4 races!!!....NOT just the women's 800??

A FloTrack tweet said the women's mile was won in 4:25....or maybe 4:27......didn't write it down.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun May 05, 2013 10:25 am

aaronk wrote:The Re-Run results site says "no results yet"......but those 4 races are finished!!
Anyone have the complete results......of all 4 races!!!....NOT just the women's 800??

A FloTrack tweet said the women's mile was won in 4:25....or maybe 4:27......didn't write it down.


The races just ended now.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 10:36 am

No full results yet.
But women's mile won by Kuijken in 4:27.
Men's 800 in 1:46+.
Men's mile in 4:03 by Robinson.
Cain got 4th......just as I predicted.....ditto her time...between 2:01 and 2:04.
If Martinez won in 1:59.99 (??), then who got 2nd and 3rd??
:D
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 10:48 am

FloTrack tweeted that Jock led in 52.
What happened to his 49-50 openers??
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun May 05, 2013 10:49 am

aaronk wrote:No full results yet.
But women's mile won by Kuijken in 4:27.
Men's 800 in 1:46+.
Men's mile in 4:03 by Robinson.
Cain got 4th......just as I predicted.....ditto her time...between 2:01 and 2:04.
If Martinez won in 1:59.99 (??), then who got 2nd and 3rd??
:D


Moser and Price
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun May 05, 2013 10:52 am

aaronk wrote:FloTrack tweeted that Jock led in 52.
What happened to his 49-50 openers??


I may be mistaken about this, but this race might be his season opener. I'm sure he still has those 49-50 opening 400s in him somewhere.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun May 05, 2013 11:00 am

Jock ran the DMR at Penn last week. I don't know if it qualifies as an opener or not.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun May 05, 2013 11:03 am

So where would Mary Cain rank as a high school 400m runner? Top ten?
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun May 05, 2013 11:05 am

JumboElliott wrote:Jock ran the DMR at Penn last week. I don't know if it qualifies as an opener or not.

Thanks for pointing that out -- didn't realize he had run at Penn last week. That would count as an opener, at least for me. In any case, he's early in his season, I think, which I hope means he's going to be peaking in around USATF & after.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 11:07 am

Master Po wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Jock ran the DMR at Penn last week. I don't know if it qualifies as an opener or not.

Thanks for pointing that out -- didn't realize he had run at Penn last week. That would count as an opener, at least for me. In any case, he's early in his season, I think, which I hope means he's going to be peaking in around USATF & after.


I'll have to check the DMR results again, but I think Jock's split was 1:44.0!!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby BCBaroo » Sun May 05, 2013 11:19 am

According to Flotrack :
Martinez: 1:59.59
Cain 2:01.68!

Seriously - what planet is Mary Cain from ?
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Marlow » Sun May 05, 2013 11:24 am

BCBaroo wrote:Cain 2:01.68!

So much for the 800 not being in her comfort zone, Alberto . . . :roll: :D
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun May 05, 2013 11:46 am

What was Kim Gallagher's record that she broke?
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 11:49 am

Cain had three 800's (one a relay anchor leg) from 2012 between 2:03.34 and 2:04.11.
When you have that consistency, and you're one year older, stronger, and just plain BETTER.......it's not shocking she improved to 2:01.68.
What WOULD be shocking is if she'd gone sub-2:00.

Even I, her most enthusiastic booster, don't believe she can break Gallagher's HSR.......yet!!
It's too good of a record!
Besides, I think this was just a speed test in preparation for a serious run at a 4:05 "A" standard 1500!!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 11:52 am

JumboElliott wrote:What was Kim Gallagher's record that she broke?


Her junior class (11th grade) mark of 2:01.82, run in 1981.
But she missed the US age 17 mark of Price....2:01.61 from 2008.
She's now 4th on the HS outdoor list...behind Gallagher, Wilson, and Price!!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun May 05, 2013 11:57 am

Price was no longer a youth athlete when she set that record. She was almost 18.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 12:05 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Price was no longer a youth athlete when she set that record. She was almost 18.


Sorry, but I don't keep "youth" or "junior" records.
My age records are based on exact birthdates.
Don't know Price's exact age when she ran that 2:01.61, but even if she were 17 yrs and 364 days old then, it would still count as an Age 17 mark.
Also, I got the data on Price from Jack Shepard's HS Track book.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:14 pm

aaronk wrote:
Master Po wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Jock ran the DMR at Penn last week. I don't know if it qualifies as an opener or not.

Thanks for pointing that out -- didn't realize he had run at Penn last week. That would count as an opener, at least for me. In any case, he's early in his season, I think, which I hope means he's going to be peaking in around USATF & after.


I'll have to check the DMR results again, but I think Jock's split was 1:44.0!!


That was Mohammed Aman.

Jock ran 1:45.7
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 1:01 pm

Finally got the 800 results!!

Martinez---1:59.59
Price-------2:01.20
Moser------2:01.65
Cain--------2:01.68
Wright-----2:02.05
Gall---------2:02.25
B-Brown----2:03.14


Solomon---1:46.54
Sowinski---1:46.76
Lomong....1:47.26
Martin------1:47.6??
Jock........1:48.3??

Sooooo, Cain BARELY lost to Moser, who just ran a solid 4:06......and BEAT two sub-2:00 women, Wright and Gall!!
I know, I know....all the excuses.......early in the season, training through, weather, stomach ache, etc etc......but bottom line is: Cain has now beat Morgan Uceny, Phoebe Wright, and Geena Gall!!
Impressive.......whatever the excuses!!!

As for Martinez, she's now a CONTENDER!!!

Seems Sowinski and Solomon are creating quite a Double Dynamite Duo!!
With Symmonds possibly going to the 1500, these two are US #'s 1 and 2 now!!

Still waiting for official results of the mile races!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun May 05, 2013 1:09 pm

Results now posted -- most probably already know these, but...

Women's 800
1.Brenda Martinez 1:59.59
2. Chanelle Price 2:01.20
3. Treniere Moser 2:01.65
4. Mary Cain 2:01.68 PB
5. Phoebe Wright 2:02.05
6. Geena Gall 2:02.25
7. Sarah (Bowman) Brown 2:03.14
Lyndsay Sharp DNF

Cain's PB is the obvious story, but there are several strong times in this group to note, at least in the context of USA women's 800/1500 runners (all times from all-athletics.com, and subject to my mis-typing...):

This is Martinez's 2nd fastest 800 time (PB 1:59.12, from last September). I am very impressed with her season so far, e.g., her solo 4:04 at Mt SAC and this race; hope she carries it forward into USATF and beyond.

Also, Price's 2nd fastest 800 (PB 2:00.15 from last July).

Moser has run faster a few times, but not lately. Her 800m PB is from 2007; hasn't run this fast since 2010. I was really impressed with the way she finished her 1500 at Payton Jordan, and so am also hopeful for her to have a strong season.

Wright and Gall have a number of faster times than these, but these aren't bad for this point in the season.

This is Brown's 2nd fastest 800 (PB 2:02.25), so she may be prepared for a strong season, too.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby AS » Sun May 05, 2013 2:55 pm

For those who'd actually like the full results, here's the link: http://www.rerunsandiego.com/results/
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby ExRun » Sun May 05, 2013 4:29 pm

Here's the video of the race, her splits were more even then when she ran 2:03.34 and split 58/65. She almost nips Moser at the end.

http://usa.milesplit.com/articles/10523 ... tars-in-fl
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby kuha » Sun May 05, 2013 5:07 pm

For all this emphasis on times (by some) Cain's real lesson is that she is a tough and smart competitor--who is never just "hanging on for dear life" in any of these races.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun May 05, 2013 7:20 pm

While Cain's race is certainly impressive, it falls right in line with her other PBs and still not quite as good as her 4:28 indoors. Today's run is right in line with her 1500m at Drake.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Sun May 05, 2013 7:42 pm

Dutra5 wrote:While Cain's race is certainly impressive, it falls right in line with her other PBs and still not quite as good as her 4:28 indoors. Today's run is right in line with her 1500m at Drake.


I'd put her 4:10.77 and 4:28.25 together as her best quality marks.
Next would be her 2:01.68.
Then her 3K and 2 mile.

But all this aside, the entire field ran odd splits for an 800.
Normally, you'd have a 3 or 4 second gap between 1st and 2nd lap......for ANYONE, not just Cain.
In a men's race, that would be 50 and 54.........or 49 and 52.......or 52 and 56, etc.
In a woman's race, it would be 57 and 61......or 59 and 62.....or 61 and 65, etc.

In SD, it was, I think, a negative split for Martinez.
In the video, the announcer said they passed in 59.7.
At that point, Martinez was about 60.5 or 60.3, as Price was leading.
So Brenda ran about 60.3 and 59.3 laps.

Cain was back in 7th or 8th at the bell, in about 60.7 or 60.8.
So she ran about 60.7 and 61.0.

I wonder what they......ALL of them......but particularly Martinez and Cain......would have done if Montano had been in the race, and gone out in her usual 56 or 57.
Would Martinez still have won......and in what time??
Would Cain have hung back, like she did, but maybe being pulled along to a 59 first lap??

Where's Alysia when you need her most?? :P
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby EPelle » Mon May 06, 2013 1:10 am

Dutra5 wrote:While Cain's race is certainly impressive, it falls right in line with her other PBs and still not quite as good as her 4:28 indoors. Today's run is right in line with her 1500m at Drake.

And although her 800m mark is inferior, she's curving on par with Jessica Judd (a year older), who finished ahead of her at last summer's WJC.

J.J: ..... 56,23|2.00,96|4.09,93|9.00,06
MC: ..... 55,74|2.01,68|4.10,77|9.02,10
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Marlow » Mon May 06, 2013 3:54 am

EPelle wrote:she's curving on par with Jessica Judd
J.J: ..... 56,23
MC: ..... 55,74

MC appears to have a superior kick, boding well for championship racing in the future. As they get older, their age disparity will be less of a factor. Good rivalry for now!
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 06, 2013 4:05 am

JJ might be a year older, but her marks are probably from last year, so they are for about the same age.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby Marlow » Mon May 06, 2013 4:30 am

26mi235 wrote:JJ might be a year older, but her marks are probably from last year, so they are for about the same age.

JJ is 18 now (in Jan), so she was about 17.5 then and MC just turned 17 last week. JJ is a year and a half older.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:10 am

good to see that sort of 800 out of cain

looks positive for her mext 1500 wherever that may be

does anyone know where that may be
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Mon May 06, 2013 7:53 am

az2004 wrote:good to see that sort of 800 out of cain

looks positive for her mext 1500 wherever that may be

does anyone know where that may be


In all the post-race interviews, Cain was the ONLY one who didn't mention where her next race would be.
Most everyone else (from the women's 800 and the women's mile) mentioned Oxy H-P as their next meet.
But my guess would be, if not Oxy, then probably the NY meet, since she could just take the subway there!! :)
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby KevinM » Mon May 06, 2013 8:17 am

aaronk wrote:But my guess would be, if not Oxy, then probably the NY meet, since she could just take the subway there!! :)


The subway serves neither Bronxville nor Randalls Island. Metro North RR and MTA bus is the way to get there via public transit.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby exdrake » Mon May 06, 2013 8:43 am

Cain really did run an awful lot of that race in lane 2, border lane 3.
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby aaronk » Mon May 06, 2013 8:49 am

KevinM wrote:
aaronk wrote:But my guess would be, if not Oxy, then probably the NY meet, since she could just take the subway there!! :)


The subway serves neither Bronxville nor Randalls Island. Metro North RR and MTA bus is the way to get there via public transit.


Correct!
And I should know that, having ridden the subways 100's of times in my first 15 years, when I lived in NE New Jersey and the Bronx (NOT Bronxville!!).
Actually, I was just using the subway metaphorically.
I meant that since she lives so close, the NY DL would be the easiest meet to get to for her, as opposed to the Oxy meet. :)
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon May 06, 2013 8:49 am

Martinez did mention ny end of month

right now simpson and mattirtinez in des mines, might well be the race I want to see as Martinez kick might well be her edge to the 1500 team

simpson has the auto being daegu winner so cain has a chnce given she can run an a qual

want to see ny and Eugene before picking the team but cain has a figteres chance
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon May 06, 2013 8:58 am

exdrake wrote:Cain really did run an awful lot of that race in lane 2, border lane 3.




the interview with cain admitted to this the good point the 1500 not the 800 is her race
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Re: Re-Run: San Diego...800's, 1 mile's...and Cain

Postby wineturtle » Mon May 06, 2013 9:16 am

New meet, tied in with local road race,USA National class(or better) entrants mix in some local level races. good Job, good idea.
Congrats to Peter Hess and his group for putting this on. Let's hope they found reason to do it again next year. Would have been nice to see the results up online quicker but siht happens. I'm betting they have a backup plan to overcome these 'glitches' next year.
I just love this breath of fresh air called Mary Cain ( hey us NYC area kids stick together!)
Nice to see Sowinski and AJ running in the meet- from posters on Dye and tracktalk.net to the pros it has been fun watching them grow up.
I really like the short format meet and the roadrace tie-in. Now they need to get more seats in the seats and I think with this success they will have more than a fighting chance to do it.
Congratulations all around.
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