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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:23 am

nicest person ever wrote:...and it was that he just saw some site that reported they didn't know what the wind reading was, thus his whole temporary NWI debacle at the bottom of the previous page...

Not to quibble, but there were four Japanese sites reporting the same information. Likely a feeder story they'd each picked up and reported for their audiences. In any case, the wind's been verified on the official results pdf.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:34 am




The most impressive fact so far, from the iaaf article, is not the time, but that the youngster beat an OG semifinalist.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby John G » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:31 am

nicest person ever wrote:YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

I am extremely thrilled about this.

I actually grew up in a basically all-asian setting from junior high through high school, my school system was over 90% Asian-American, demographically, so although I was white, I was an extreme minority growing up, and basically all of my closest friends are Asian. I even learned to play Mahjong with the families of my friends, and basically grew up in an almost entirely Asian-American environment through my entire adolescence. And all the girls I ever asked out were always Asains, etc.

So, I guess as a result of this I've always been happy when an Asian makes a big accomplishment in a sport that is normally devoid of Asians, such as when Linsanity happened in the NBA earlier, as well as when this kid ran 10.01 just now.

A few days ago when a Chinese athlete ran a 10.04, there was a thread about it and one of the guys in that thread made a rant about how he was angry that Asians don't seem to get any respect in the sport, and how if he had been non-Asian people would've been talking about his performance more. Well, I don't know that I agree with that necessarily, as in, if an Asian guy ran a 9.57, I am pretty sure he would get at least as much press, if not more so than when Bolt ran 9.58, but, I do agree that Asians often seem to be overlooked or ignored as not being real "threats" to win a race whenever they are in a race, even if their P.R.'s are on par with their competitors in their heat or whatever, so I have always found that to be frustrating in that regard.

So yea, I am extremely excited about this, both in terms of it just being awesome that a 17 year old ran such a fast time, and also that it might lead to more exposure for the sport in Asia, and specifically in Japan, which is in my opinion a wonderful thing, because there is clearly a lot of natural track talent over there, and if a higher percentage of their population ran track I think we would have just that many more superb athletes in the sport overall, which is a good thing and would be nice to see!

I'm pumped!!!


This just in for fans of Asian sprinting (that's mainly npe): Adam Gemili has an Iranian mother and he can speak Japanese (grade 'A' at GCSE - taken at age 16).
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby norunner » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:39 am

user4 wrote:



The most impressive fact so far, from the iaaf article, is not the time, but that the youngster beat an OG semifinalist.
So if he had beaten an OG semifinalist with a time of 10.60 instead of 10.01 you would be equally impressed?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby norunner » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:45 am

Complete 100m result.

100 m 28 April Wind: 2.7
1 Yoshihide Kiryu JPN 15 Dec 95 10.03
2 Ryota Yamagata JPN 10 Jun 92 10.04
3 Masashi Eriguchi JPN 17 Dec 88 10.15
4 Yusuke Kotani JPN 23 Sep 89 10.24
5 Sota Kawatsura JPN 19 Jun 89 10.26
6 Kei Takase JPN 25 Nov 88 10.35
7 Shota Iizuka JPN 25 Jun 91 10.39
8 Shintaro Kimura JPN 30 Jun 87 10.63

and the 10.01 heat:

Heat 3 Wind: 0.9
1 Yoshihide Kiryu JPN 15 Dec 95 10.01 WJR PB WL Q
2 Kei Takase JPN 25 Nov 88 10.23 PB Q
3 Shota Iizuka JPN 25 Jun 91 10.28 PB q
4 Yusuke Kotani JPN 23 Sep 89 10.34 SB q
5 Yeo Ho-Su-Ah KOR 5 Apr 87 10.43 SB
6 Akiyuki Hashimoto JPN 18 Nov 94 10.45 SB
7 Takuya Kitamura JPN 21 Sep 93 10.69 SB
8 Ryo Honshio JPN 90 27.90 SB

(courtesy of tilastopaja)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:47 am

norunner wrote:
user4 wrote:



The most impressive fact so far, from the iaaf article, is not the time, but that the youngster beat an OG semifinalist.
So if he had beaten an OG semifinalist with a time of 10.60 instead of 10.01 you would be equally impressed?


no, Id be less impressed... of course we would be more impressed that a 10.6 sprinter could be a OG semifinalist ! ...

At any rate, the kid could be a game changer, someone that thrives at 100m with a rapid step cadence . It will be interesting to see how fast this type of style can go. Hard not to see him under 10 this year. We are in "uncharted waters". ..:)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:04 pm

The "we are in uncharted waters" line gave me goosebumps lol. I feel all tingly just thinking how low below the 10 second barrier this kid might go by the end of the season. Not to mention, if my math is correct he gets all of next season to push his WJR even FURTHER down than whatever he accomplishes during this season too right? And the sickest of all iss I think if he had been born just 2 weeks later, he would've gotten this season AND the next season AND the one after that to be pushing the WJR lower and lower, not to mention I think it would've caused any of what he did this season to not just be a junior record but rather, a youth record! Why oh why couldn't his parents have gotten funky with each other a few weeks later! If only this kid's dad had gotten into an argument with the kid's mom about who's turn it was to do the dishes, those uncharted waters would have maybe been another tenth of a second deeper yet! :lol:
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby jamal00005 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:31 pm

nicest person ever wrote:The "we are in uncharted waters" line gave me goosebumps lol. I feel all tingly just thinking how low below the 10 second barrier this kid might go by the end of the season. Not to mention, if my math is correct he gets all of next season to push his WJR even FURTHER down than whatever he accomplishes during this season too right? And the sickest of all iss I think if he had been born just 2 weeks later, he would've gotten this season AND the next season AND the one after that to be pushing the WJR lower and lower, not to mention I think it would've caused any of what he did this season to not just be a junior record but rather, a youth record! Why oh why couldn't his parents have gotten funky with each other a few weeks later! If only this kid's dad had gotten into an argument with the kid's mom about who's turn it was to do the dishes, those uncharted waters would have maybe been another tenth of a second deeper yet! :lol:

LMAO....In honesty i am truly excited to see how far this kid can go as well ..I am truly happy for him
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby norunner » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:15 pm

I think jamboy is already investigating his ancestors to find his jamaican heritage. :lol:
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:57 pm

The two major Japanese Grand Prix meets - Shizuoka & Tokyo - are coming up in the next week,...

Running the website for the Tokyo meet (http://goldengrandprix-japan.com/HOME.aspx) through Google Translate it mentions a "Men's 100m supernova appearance! Kiryu vs. Eriguchi"
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:16 pm

AS wrote:The two major Japanese Grand Prix meets - Shizuoka & Tokyo - are coming up in the next week,...

Running the website for the Tokyo meet (http://goldengrandprix-japan.com/HOME.aspx) through Google Translate it mentions a "Men's 100m supernova appearance! Kiryu vs. Eriguchi"


LOL. The Japanese word or phrase probably meant "superstar".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:03 pm

18.99s wrote:
AS wrote:The two major Japanese Grand Prix meets - Shizuoka & Tokyo - are coming up in the next week,...

Running the website for the Tokyo meet (http://goldengrandprix-japan.com/HOME.aspx) through Google Translate it mentions a "Men's 100m supernova appearance! Kiryu vs. Eriguchi"


LOL. The Japanese word or phrase probably meant "superstar".


I would hope so! Supernovas are pretty dangerous stuff. Don't wanna be messing around with that stuff. It could vaporize the whole solar system! :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova

^^^see, it's pretty messed up. That would be really bad if it somehow happened at a distance of just 100 meters away from Earth. :(
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby jamboy » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:31 pm

Not sure if I am "impressed" yet. Let me see him duplicate that time on a different stage with other world class juniors and then, I will be a believer.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:55 pm

He duplicated it, just needs a separate stage (10.01/10.03). May get the stage in the international Japanese meets coming up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:50 am

norunner wrote:Complete 100m result.

100 m 28 April Wind: 2.7
1 Yoshihide Kiryu JPN 15 Dec 95 10.03
2 Ryota Yamagata JPN 10 Jun 92 10.04
3 Masashi Eriguchi JPN 17 Dec 88 10.15
4 Yusuke Kotani JPN 23 Sep 89 10.24
5 Sota Kawatsura JPN 19 Jun 89 10.26
6 Kei Takase JPN 25 Nov 88 10.35
7 Shota Iizuka JPN 25 Jun 91 10.39



So Ryoto, at the absolute peak of his 2012 OG (at age 20) form ran his OG heat in 10.07, w1.3 (10.14 basic) and his semifinal 10.10, w1.7 (10.18 basic).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_ ... 100_metres

So his 10.04 w2.7 ( 10.18 basic ) here (at 21 years of age) early in the season seems entirely plausible.

Lends credence to the accuracy of the timing (not that there was any question) and we are forced to take the time (10.01 w.9, 10.04 basic) by the 17 year old, Kiryu, quite seriously.

That Japan can produce two 10.0x, one 10.1x two 10.2xs all in the same meet seems to me to be somewhat astounding.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby norunner » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:24 am

user4 wrote:That Japan can produce two 10.0x, one 10.1x two 10.2xs all in the same meet seems to me to be somewhat astounding.
You don't run a 38.07 over 4x1 without some very fast men like Japan did in London.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:59 pm

The Japanese all-time list is looking mighty 'bunched':

10.00 Koji Ito 1998
10.01 Yoshihide Kiryu 2013
10.02 Nobuharu Asahara 2001
10.03 Shingo Suetsugu 2003
10.07 Masashi Eriguchi 2009
10.07 Ryota Yamagata 2012
10.09 Naoki Tsukahara 2009

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Jon » Wed May 01, 2013 3:39 am

EPelle wrote:Twice broke the Japanese youth record with 10,21 and 10,19, respectively, this past winter (November).
Those marks from 2012 didn't just break the Japanese youth records; he also broke the world youth records. He's the first man in decades (possibly ever) to concurrently hold the world youth and world junior 100m records. (Darrel Brown held both, but not at the same time).
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby EPelle » Wed May 01, 2013 3:40 am

Brilliant facts. Cheers!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby norunner » Wed May 01, 2013 9:36 am

Just read that Kiryu will be running against Mike Rodgers in Tokyo this sunday. That should be interesting.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Wed May 01, 2013 3:38 pm

norunner wrote:Just read that Kiryu will be running against Mike Rodgers in Tokyo this sunday. That should be interesting.


Full 100m field for Tokyo
RODGERS, Mike PR 9.85
ATKINS, Derrick PR 9.91
Mookie SALAAM PR 9.97
Yoshihide Kiryu PR 10.01
ROGERS, Jason PR 10.06
MAGAKWE, Simon PR 10.06
Masashi Eriguchi PR 10.07
KIMURA,Shintaro PR 10.26

http://goldengrandprix-japan.com/ENTRYL ... STMEN.aspx
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby TeWaio » Thu May 02, 2013 1:53 am

Seems like the perfect race for the young man to be in following his PR. Would love him to live up to hype and go sub-10, would be great for the sport in that part of the world!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 02, 2013 4:55 am

TeWaio wrote:Seems like the perfect race for the young man to be in following his PR. Would love him to live up to hype and go sub-10, would be great for the sport in that part of the world!


Im waiting for the hype, so far we only have a 17 year old with a 10.01 PR . :)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 02, 2013 5:13 am

10.01/0.9 ~ 9.95/2.0 (wind-legal) ~ 9.99/1.3 he is not a sub-10 yet because he did not have good enough, yet legal wind. And, it was barely his best of the meet. The question is: is he more likely to go 9.8x this season than to fail to go sub-10?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Jacksf » Sat May 04, 2013 11:36 pm

Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Sat May 04, 2013 11:54 pm

Slow race for all involved today in Tokyo:

(-1.2)
RODGERS,Mike 10.19
ATKINS,Derrick 10.24
KIRYU,Yoshihide 10.40
SALAAM,Mookie 10.43

http://goldengrandprix-japan.com/%E7%B5 ... TSMen.aspx
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:20 am

A couple of interesting things in that link.

Corey Leslie ran a 8:20 3000SC, less than 5 seconds arrears of BIRECH, Jairus Kipchoge 8:15.26 NMR

There was a heck of a close finish in the 200 and some-time board poster Connaughton won the race!! :!: [Congrats, Jared!]

1 CONNAUGHTON, Jared CAN 20.70
2 TAKAHIRA,Shinji 富士通 20.84
3 TAKASE,Kei 富士通 20.87
3 ATKINS,Derrick BAH 20.87
5 SAITO,Hitoshi JUVY-TC 20.88
6 MITCHELL,Manteo USA 20.97
7 HARRIS,Tremaine CAN 20.99
IIZUKA,Shota 中央大 DNS

Bershawn Jackson wins in 49.11 but Plawgo is 7th in 50.98

Y=The 800 had some good (top 3, including Mulder in 1:47.22, a SB?) and mediocre (Prince Mumba in 1:49) results:

1 CHEMUT,Anthony KEN 1:46.51 NMR
2 BIWOTT,Robert KEN 1:46.98
3 MULDER,Tyler USA 1:47.22
4 WARBURTON,Gareth GBR 1:48.11
5 KAWAMOTO,Sho 日本大 1:48.53
6 KUCHINO,Takeshi 富士通 1:48.98
7 MUMBA,Prince ZAM 1:49.27

Finally, there was pretty miserable vaulting, which might mean the conditions were not very good at this meet.

1 YAMAMOTO,Seito 5m50
2 FILIPPOV, Nikita KAZ 5m40
3 OGITA, Hiroki 5m30
4 HOLLIS, Mark USA 5m00
WALLACE, Tyler, SCOTT, Jordan SCOTT, USA and SAWANO,Daichi No Mark
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Sun May 05, 2013 6:44 am

Jacksf wrote:Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19


How can you call a time disappointing when the conditions were obviously a major hindrance?

Look at it in this positive light: Mike Rodgers has a PR of 9.85. Kiryu finished 0.21 behind him, so if it were PR-type weather, Kiryu is at 10.06.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Sun May 05, 2013 8:12 am

gh wrote:
Jacksf wrote:Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19


How can you call a time disappointing when the conditions were obviously a major hindrance?

Look at it in this positive light: Mike Rodgers has a PR of 9.85. Kiryu finished 0.21 behind him, so if it were PR-type weather, Kiryu is at 10.06.


The choice of Mike Rodgers for this meet was a good one. A similar sized frame as Kiryu and somewhat of a 100m specialist.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 8:33 am

I would not be surprised if the last several hundredths were lost because of either giving up or not handling the pressure and disappointment. It would likely hit a young guy without too much experience on the biggest stage he has ever seen harder than most.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby sprintdoc » Sun May 05, 2013 12:06 pm

gh I agree this should not be called a major disapointment however to say he was just .21 off Rodgers and thus Mike's PR is 9.85 is a little misleading. Rodgers had arrived barely a day in advance after a 16 hour flight and was no where near his best and shared that in the post race quotes. I actually think you could say Kiryu is more of what he was last year a 10.1ish sprinter. I look forward to his development but not ready to say that 10.01 was all on the up and up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Wed May 15, 2013 1:56 pm

Kiryu mark unlikely to be ratified as WJR because of wind-gauge specs. Short story posted on front page.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 15, 2013 7:54 pm

Edion Stadium, venue for the Mikio Oda Memorial Meet on April 29, did not have an ultrasonic wind gauge, which is specified in the IAAF rules as necessary for ratifying records.


Was the ultrasonic wind gauge being used when Brown set his record 10 years ago or when Demps set his 5 years ago?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Thu May 16, 2013 12:24 am

Ah shiiiit... gibson isn't gonna be too thrilled about this update lol... (nor am I for that matter, and feel pretty pissed off as well, myself) Especially if what batonless relay asked about is the case, which would make it all the more infuriating. That said, rules are rules, and obv if they allowed people to not use equipment that was up to their standards AT THE TIME (i.e. improving over time), and didn't penalize those who didn't spec up to it by not recognizing their stuff when they did stuff without spec'ing up, they would never be able to get everyone to spec up uniformly and have the sport progress technologically. So, I get that it's necessary etc, I'm just bummed out that it had to happen to this kid of all people. Cuz it's like, how awesome would it have been to have a 17 year old asian kid as tied for the WJR. It could've been helpful in getting both more Asians into the sport in general, as well as in diminishing stereotypes that a lot of non-Asians have about Asians when it comes to certain types of athletics. So I am sad that it ended up turning out this way... sigh...

That said, on a brighter note, he still has a lot of time left to break the WJR (all of the rest of this season, and then all of next season as well), so, given that it wasn't exactly an out-of-nowhere performance by him (since he'd already set world youth record marks with like 10.2x a couple times the previous year), I feel there is a good chance that he might even break the WJR, as well as the 10 second barrier, possibly by a significant margin for all we know, before his time as a junior is up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 3:24 am

batonless relay wrote:
Edion Stadium, venue for the Mikio Oda Memorial Meet on April 29, did not have an ultrasonic wind gauge, which is specified in the IAAF rules as necessary for ratifying records.


Was the ultrasonic wind gauge being used when Brown set his record 10 years ago or when Demps set his 5 years ago?


Probably not, but that's irrelevant. Time marches on and rules change as technology improves. Every time there's a new development, older marks get grandfathered in, which is only the logical thing to do.

As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 3:42 am

ps---Demps does not hold a share of the WJR by the way, officially. It's the AJR, but wasn't ratified as WJR because the "zero control operation" wasn't conducted before the meet began. Not required by USATF rules (or at least wasn't then; don't know if it is now), but is required by IAAF.

Another example of evolving rules.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 16, 2013 5:14 am

Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... d_field%29 US Trials.

Regarding wind readings it seems that the higher the standard in wind speed equipment the more cavalier novice officials have become in making sure the equipment is actually functioning correctly.

Rather than forever adopting the latest wind gauge technolog the governing bodies should instead mandate some redundancy in the technologies. A few disparate measuring methods and more importantly proper, well published maintenance and calibration procedures would go a long way to insure that the officials when there is a good measurement and when there is not.

It is easy to suspect that there have been more false non-wind readings since the advent of the electronic wind gauge than before. At least with the impeller type of gauge any guy with a HS degree could figure out if it was working properly and maintenance consisted of a few drops of oil on a bearing.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 16, 2013 5:29 am

gh wrote:Probably not, but that's irrelevant. Time marches on and rules change as technology improves. Every time there's a new development, older marks get grandfathered in, which is only the logical thing to do.

As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?

It is irrelevant and I just wanted to know for reference and comparison.

As for wiping out world records/best as time marches on...of course not. But, I don't have to be consistent about it...I would remove Radcliffe's "WB".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 6:54 am

user4 wrote:Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials. .....


And in the greatest irony of all, it was Swiss Timing equipment run by a Swiss crew. If you can't trust Swiss Timing, who can you trust?!!!!

(the problem is that it was a new system, and there was a bug that had gone unrealized: indeed, I don't think they ever publicly admitted it; had they, the IAAF would have grounds for decertifying the mark)
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