No Nudes is Good News?


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No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:35 am

Does this famous statue offend you?

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/ ... 34goqg.jpg

I see in a home-page-linked article that a Qatar Olympic show has problems with ancient Greek art, so the Greeks took their statues home. Really?! :roll:

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is this objectionable?

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnai ... hsheba.jpg
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby batonless relay » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:56 am

Marlow wrote:Does this famous statue offend you?

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/ ... 34goqg.jpg

I see in a home-page-linked article that a Qatar Olympic show has problems with ancient Greek art, so the Greeks took their statues home. Really?! :roll:

edit:

is this objectionable?

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnai ... hsheba.jpg

Don't worry about if it's objectionable, just put it in the box labelled alcohol, weed and other sins objected to by Marlow when he's not contending for "Today in Sanctimony" chieftain.
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:29 am

batonless relay wrote:Don't worry about if it's objectionable, just put it in the box labelled alcohol, weed and other sins objected to by Marlow when he's not contending for "Today in Sanctimony" chieftain.

Are seriously impaired? I'm saying they are NOT objectionable. If you find them so, then I'll have to label you 'sanctimonious', OK?
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby batonless relay » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:07 am

Marlow wrote:
batonless relay wrote:Don't worry about if it's objectionable, just put it in the box labelled alcohol, weed and other sins objected to by Marlow when he's not contending for "Today in Sanctimony" chieftain.

Are seriously impaired? I'm saying they are NOT objectionable. If you find them so, then I'll have to label you 'sanctimonious', OK?

That's the point, Marlow, how about you temper your inner Islamaphobe and not worry about what's "objectionable" to Qatari's; accept that there are some things that might be "objectionable" to them that are not to you. And, when you get that, apply that new knowledge to your "objections" to the boards feelings on guns, liquor, weed...the list is long.
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:26 am

batonless relay wrote:That's the point, Marlow, how about you temper your inner Islamaphobe and not worry about what's "objectionable" to Qatari's; accept that there are some things that might be "objectionable" to them that are not to you. And, when you get that, apply that new knowledge to your "objections" to the boards feelings on guns, liquor, weed...the list is long.

gh is already tired of this, so I'll just marvel at your 'judgement' and leave it at that.
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby TN1965 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:32 am

They are also objectionable to some parents in Dallas, TX.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/educa ... .html?_r=0
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:50 am

TN1965 wrote:They are also objectionable to some parents in Dallas, TX.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/educa ... .html?_r=0


Idiotic.

    A representative of the Texas State Teachers Association, which has sprung to Ms. McGee’s defense, calls it “the first ‘nudity-in-a-museum case’ we have seen.”

    “Teachers get in trouble for a variety of reasons,” said the association’s general counsel, Kevin Lungwitz, “but I’ve never heard of a teacher getting in trouble for taking her kiddoes on an approved trip to an art museum.”
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Jnathletics » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:33 pm

The Qatarians are not the only ones who have issues with ancient statue's nudity.

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... david?lite

I was actually looking for an older story from the 80's, when a japanese investor help paid for the restoration of the real "David" in Florence. The project include 2 copies, one to be placed in the square in Florence where the original stood and another for a japanese museum. (As the restored original was placed inside a muesem in Florence.) Well the story goes the Japanese had issues with the statue and added a fig leaf to it. But I can't verify the story. :oops:
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Pego » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:15 am

Attorney General John Ashcroft had two topless statues covered. How ridiculous is that?
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:01 am

"They [Qataris] knew it when they saw it". Even in US law...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity
Obscenity is not protected speech under the Miller test, and can therefore be censored.
    "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." [Emphasis added.]
    —Justice Potter Stewart, concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184 (1964), regarding possible obscenity in The Lovers.

United States obscenity law

    Federal obscenity law in the U.S. is unusual in that there is no uniform national standard.
    Delivering the opinion of the court, Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote:
    The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.[3]

So, unless you are a Qatari living in Qatar...
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Marlow » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:36 am

batonless relay wrote:"They [Qataris] knew it when they saw it".
So, unless you are a Qatari living in Qatar.

While I wholeheartedly agree that 'offensiveness' is in the eye of the beholder, I (me) can still be appalled that, in this day and age, any modern person can be offended by classical Greek art that has had 2000 years of approbation. I still fundamentally don't understand why the human form, in its most natural grace (as opposed to one presented for prurient interest, let's say Madonna in her Sex book) is a source of shame for so many people. I guess we all draw the line in different places, so yes, I do see the logic in your last sentence. I'm sure they think WE are all one step from eternal damnation . . .
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Brian » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:29 pm

On a completely superficial side note, great title for the thread!
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby Vielleicht » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 pm

And apparently Chinese TV coverage of an art exhibition went quite prudent:

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20130418/Img373165444.jpg
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Re: No Nudes is Good News?

Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:07 pm

I'll bet John Ashcroft would find it offensive.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... tatues.htm
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