Outdoor Outlook--High School


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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:48 am

It will be interesting, yes. I personally don't believe she's a candidate for sub-2 -- especially not in high school. Eventually, I believe the Salazar camp will shift her to an endurance-based training regime. She'll drop in some 800's for turn-over. Salazar has stated that the 800m is not in Cain's comfort zone. Yes, she can learn to run at a fast pace.

Based on times alone, Judd, older and stronger, appeared to be a prime sub-2 candidate last season. She managed 56,23|2.00,96|4.09,93 last season -- running a faster 8/15 than Cain (2.03,34|4.11,01). Judd's 3k has improved to a time faster than Cain's -- 9.00,06 to 9.02,10. Judd had a fabulous 2011, with 26,7|56,73|2.02,70|4.14,21|9.08,5|(15.38 3mi) bests. She improved to 2.00,96 (2.01,09|2.01,3) in 2012.

I don't believe Judd's got a sub-2.00 this season (despite three consecutive seasons under 60 seconds, the past two at 56-point). Ever? She's similar to strength as Cain.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:03 am

EPelle wrote:Salazar has stated that the 800m is not in Cain's comfort zone.

Salazar knows infinitely more about this than I do, but if a 16-year-old girl runs a 2:03 . . . yeah, the 800 is in her comfort zone.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:54 am

On the non-track side, I just hope Mary Cain is fully enjoying her teen years... I liked the way swimmer Missy Franklin handled hers before/during/after her Olympic glory, but as long as Mary is happy, that's all that matters. On that note, I was curious to see if she had a twitter account, etc... and on her twitter account I noticed she just recently posted "Drake Relays next week. Shooting for the A standard!"... even used one of aaronk's exclamation points.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:37 pm

ExRun wrote:
EPelle wrote:Mary Cain will not run 1.59 in high school -- if ever.

I'd like to take the other side of that bet. She can run a 55.74 400M and a 4:28 Mile as a 16 year old, so the odds are in favor of her running sub 2:00 800M. Especially because she has nowhere near the muscle tone development of the women she is beating...so I think she has the potential for much faster times.


What do you mean by 'muscle tone'? Do you mean the external visibility of the musculature? I am not sure that this is really muscle tone, if that is your reference. If you look at the US women's gymnastics team you will see a range of external muscularity from a set of Cain's peers even though the more muscular nature of the sport makes them more 'homogenous' than similarly equal runners (age-wise, level of sport for their age, although their position in the sport is well above where Cain is now as a result of the nature of women's gymnastics). I think that if you go to women's soccer you will see something similar even though, again, strength is more important than in middle distance/distance running.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:15 pm

gktrack wrote:On the non-track side, I just hope Mary Cain is fully enjoying her teen years... I liked the way swimmer Missy Franklin handled hers before/during/after her Olympic glory, but as long as Mary is happy, that's all that matters. On that note, I was curious to see if she had a twitter account, etc... and on her twitter account I noticed she just recently posted "Drake Relays next week. Shooting for the A standard!"... even used one of aaronk's exclamation points.


Go ahead!
Make my day!

Well, Ms Cain, you just did!!!

P.S. You can use all the exclamation points your heart pleases!!! :D

P.P.S. I TOLD YOU SO!! I TOLD YOU SO!! :wink:

P.P.P.S. And Ms Uceny, you better be ready to run better than you did in that recent 800 at Mt SAC....or you're gonna get your ass WHOMPED by a 16 (almost 17) year old 11th grader!! :shock:
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:40 pm

I think it's time for aaronk or gh to split this thread in two... into 'Outdoor Outlook--High School" and a separate thread for Mary Cain... something tells me it won't die down after Drake.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:03 pm

gktrack wrote:I think it's time for aaronk or gh to split this thread in two... into 'Outdoor Outlook--High School" and a separate thread for Mary Cain... something tells me it won't die down after Drake.


Actually, there IS a separate thread for Cain at Drake!!
Somehow, this thread morphed into ANOTHER Cain/Drake discussion!!

Look for the other one....scroll down and you'll find it.
Title is "Mary Cain vs the elites at Drake"{....or something like that.
I started it as soon as I found out she'd be running there.

P.S. I don't know HOW to split a thread.....otherwise, I'd do it myself.
Feel free to put all the Cain stuff onto that other thread.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:29 pm

aaronk wrote:Somehow, this thread morphed into ANOTHER Cain/Drake discussion!!

Well, la de dah, here comes Old Austin Tamagno, and HIS times come pretty damn close to what I said Mary Cain could do!!

Thank you, Mr Tamagno, for helping give substance to my ravings!!
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun May 12, 2013 11:04 am

Kendell Williams (GA HS) is a new prep leader in the 100H, going 13.29 in prelims, then 13.23 (1.1) in the finals. She was 1.25 inches short of the prep lead in the LJ with a 20-9.75 (-1.1) and won the HJ in 5-08.

Also, a unique triple by Ky Westbrook (AZ HS)... won the 100m in a new low-altitude prep leading 11.45 (0.0w?), a fine 23.39 (0.0w?) 200m, and won the SP with a heave of 45-2.25.
http://az.milesplit.com/meets/134121/results/250149
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby unclezadok » Sun May 12, 2013 11:43 am

gktrack wrote:Kendell Williams (GA HS) is a new prep leader in the 100H, going 13.29 in prelims, then 13.23 (1.1) in the finals. She was 1.25 inches short of the prep lead in the LJ with a 20-9.75 (-1.1) and won the HJ in 5-08.

Also, a unique triple by Ky Westbrook (AZ HS)... won the 100m in a new low-altitude prep leading 11.45 (0.0w?), a fine 23.39 (0.0w?) 200m, and won the SP with a heave of 45-2.25.
http://az.milesplit.com/meets/134121/results/250149


That got the attention of this multi-event fan.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Wed May 15, 2013 11:52 am

The Portland meet on June 8 will see 4 great high school girls competing.
In the 1500 are Elise Cranny (4:15.07) and Alexa Efraimson (4:19.54).
They'll be running against pro athletes.

In the 5000 will be Katie Knight.
And in the SC (or the 1500?) will be Amy Eloise-Neale.
Full entry lists not known yet.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sat May 18, 2013 10:55 pm

California CIF Southern Section Finals:

Defending CA state champion Khalfani Muhammad of Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) sprinted to 10,33w (+3,1)/20,84 (+1,6) (and anchored a 41,27 4x1) at the California CIF SS Divisional meet yesterday. Adoree Jackson (Gardena, CA) long jumped 25-0 (7.62m) (wind: ?). Sarah Baxter won her division at 3.200m, running 10.24,69. Nick Ponzo, the great shot put find on the season, won his divion with a 65-9 (20.04m) heave. Jade Miller (Great Oak/12) follows up her 42,48 heat with a 41,15 300m hurdles victory in the D1 final. Long Beach Poly's Ariana Washington (11) sprinted to an 11,20w (+3,1) and followed that up with a 200m divisional title in 23,33 (+1,7).
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun May 19, 2013 1:06 am

thanks EPelle - nice double by Poly's A. Washington.
Also, here's wind info on your posts on LJ (both threads)
- Freshman C. Corrin with 3 of 4 jumps over 20 feet, going 20-09 (0.3)
- A. Jackson's wind was legal (+1.5) on his 25 footer, new outdoor HS #1
http://www.dyestatcal.com/gprofile.php?do=view_event&event_id=2537&mgroup_id=44789&year=2013
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun May 19, 2013 1:33 am

After his indoor 300m HS record, I've been hoping for great outdoor 400 from Michael Cherry. It seems like he hasn't run that much this outdoor season, but just ran a 46.64 a couple days ago in District's. I assume he has a meet or two left in the season?
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sun May 19, 2013 1:39 am

Perfect, gktrack. Thanks for those wind readings. Cheers.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun May 19, 2013 9:42 am

A few other new prep leaders...
Poly's 4x1 goes 45.54
Randall Cunningham Jr. goes 7-03.25 in Nevada Champs (a junior in HS).
video: http://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=videos&video_id=88840
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Fri May 24, 2013 9:22 pm

Long Beach Poly girls 4X100R ran a nation-leading 44.94!
That's the fastest in the nation since 2005!!
And it's the 10th fastest performance of all time!!!

Also, Courtney Corrin LJ'ed 20-5.
Caitlin Merritt PV'ed 13-3, but had 3 good attempts at 14-0!!

This is at the CIF Masters meet in Cerritos CA, a qualifier for the state meet.
A video of the entire meet is on the front page!
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Fri May 24, 2013 10:06 pm

More from CIF Nasters:

Stamatia Scarvelis, a junior, put the shot 51-9 and 1/4, a HSL outdoors, and makes her 18th on the A-T list!!
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Fri May 24, 2013 10:16 pm

Great time by Poly's girls in the 4x1...

Along with here 4x1 leg, A. Washington's quadruple included a great 11.27 (2.2) in the girls 100 and a 23.18 (1.8) in the 200, and I believe she anchored Poly's 4x4 to a win in 3:47.01. State meet is next week.

Other notables:
- Jade Miller went 41.34 in the girls 300H
- Rachel McCoy goes 5-11 in the girls HJ
- Khalfani Muhammed with a fine double: 10.22 (2.1) and 20.73 (2.0)
- Adoree Jackson only took one jump in the boy's LJ, then passed, going 24-9
- Nick Ponzio doubles: SP: 65-1 and DT:186-5

Full results:
http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=2538&year=2013&do=info
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Fri May 24, 2013 10:24 pm

Ariana Washington---11.27 (2.2)!!!
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Fri May 24, 2013 10:47 pm

Nice running in the Washington State 3A girl's 1.600m, with Amy-Eloise Neale the first of three under 4.46,00:

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     Name                    Year School                  Finals  Points
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 Section  1
   1 Amy-Eloise Neale          12 Glacier Peak           4:44.88   10
   2 Megan Beauchene           11 Kamiakin               4:45.34    8
   3 Katie Knight              12 North Central          4:45.84    6
   4 Katie Bianchini           12 Glacier Peak           4:55.73    5
   5 Nicole Goecke             11 Prairie                4:55.78    4
   6 Lily Engelbrekt           12 Bishop Blanchet        4:57.26    3
   7 Haley Suarez              12 Meadowdale             5:05.24    2
   8 Lindsay Tompkins          12 Prairie                5:05.97    1
   9 Megan Chucka              12 Liberty-Issaquah       5:10.72
  10 Rebecca Delacruz-Gunders  11 Lakeside               5:11.18
  11 Katie Lynch               12 Peninsula              5:11.85
  12 Alexis Manns              10 Juanita                5:14.64
  13 Samantha Engebretsen       9 Enumclaw               5:17.79
  14 Hannah Calvert            12 Enumclaw               5:19.88
  15 Nikita Waghani            11 Interlake              5:19.90
  16 McKenzi Bravo             11 Peninsula              5:21.13
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Fri May 24, 2013 11:37 pm

Felecia Majors at VA Regionals... 6 wins and a second place over 2 days, with some qualifying rounds...
100 - 1st in 12.32, 200 - 1st in 25.47, 400 - 1st in 54.74
LJ - 1st at 18-03, PV - 1st at 12-06, TJ - 1st at 39-2.75, and HJ - 2nd at 5-03
- not sure if she ran on the 4x1 and/or 4x4 relays
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/felecia-majors-leads-south-county-to-title-at-final-northern-region-track-and-field-championship-westfield-boys-win/2013/05/24/15321fe8-c4b2-11e2-914f-a7aba60512a7_story.html
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sat May 25, 2013 3:05 am

The aforementioned Eugene Hamilton III (Oakland Bishop O'Dowd), the CA state 800m leader (1.50,19 Arcadia win and =2 USA (Bernie Montoya)), doubled at NCS Bayshore last week in a leisurely 4.20,0/1.54,4. He has dropped the 800m and is now attempting to make it to the CA state meet in the 1.600m; he's run a 4.12,74y (4.11,28c), and won his heat at the North Coast Section Meet of Champions Friday afternoon.

Hamilton III ran 1.52,8 last season, but didn't make it out of the state prelims. He brings improved 23,98/49,26/1.21,70/1.50,19 credentials to the table for today's 1.600m final.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sun May 26, 2013 2:12 am

Hamilton III wins the NCS Meet of Champions to qualify for state.

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  1 Hamilton III, Eugene        12 Bishop O'Dowd         4:13.49     
  2 Hutchins, Clayton           12 Sir Francis Drake     4:13.50     
  3 Olson, Tyler                11 Livermore             4:15.38     
  4 Rodriguez, Louis            12 St. Joseph            4:16.40     
  5 Douglas, Ryan               12 Petaluma              4:17.84     
  6 Wang, Michael               11 Acalanes              4:20.59     
  7 Tamminga, Mark              12 Miramonte             4:20.77     
  8 Hanson, Tyler               12 Miramonte             4:22.29

James Logan's Jeffrey Prothro (12) wins the triple jump with a jump over 50 feet:

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    Name                      Year School                 Finals
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  1 Prothro, Jeffrey            12 James Logan          50-04.00     
  2 Moore, Nate                 11 Castro Valley        49-02.50     
  3 Wethington, Karsten         11 James Logan          47-05.00     
  4 Collier, Austin             12 St. Mary's           46-10.00     
  5 Webster, Nzuzi              11 Deer Valley          45-08.75     
  6 Webster, Nsimba             11 Deer Valley          45-08.50     
  7 Manley, Zuhuri              12 Clear Lake           45-06.25     
  8 Hicks, Pierre               12 Redwood              44-07.00


Amador Valley, with just two sprinters in open finals (400m and 300m hurdles), pulls off a great 4x4.

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  1 Amador Valley                                        3:15.15
  2 Hercules                                             3:16.59
  3 Maria Carrillo                                       3:17.59
  4 DeLaSalle                                            3:18.17
  5 San Leandro                                          3:20.63
  6 Campolindo                                           3:23.19
  7 Las Lomas                                            3:24.38
  8 Deer Valley                                          3:32.43
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sun May 26, 2013 2:25 am

Central Coast Section:
Anna Maxwell (4.48,11 last year in grade-10) has a fantastic Central Coast Section 1.600m, running sub-4.43 to defeat 2012 CA State Champion Nikki Hiltz:

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    Name                    Year School                  Finals
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  1 Anna Maxwell              11 S.L.V.                 4:42.57 
  2 Nikki Hiltz               12 Aptos                  4:44.93 
  3 Sarah Robinson            11 Gunn                   4:48.41 
  4 Clare Peabody             11 Aptos                  4:53.68 
  5 Danielle Katz             12 Los Gatos              4:55.03 
  6 Melissa Reed              11 Mountain View          5:02.11 
  7 Julia Lemak               09 Mitty                  5:04.02 
  8 Amy Lynch                 10 Mountain View          5:05.13 
  9 Claire MacMillan          11 S.L.V.                 5:06.08 
 10 Hannah Allen              10 Homestead              5:06.61 
 11 Maya Weigel               12 Mountain View          5:07.79 
 12 Cecily Johnson            10 Los Gatos              5:20.93 

Maxwell doubled back to win the 3.200m in 10.22,02.
Her season bests stand at: 57,09 | 2.09,34 | 4.42,57 | 4.47,01y | 10.10,51.

The boy's 1.600m had eight under 4.18. Jalen Wright (12/San Jose Bellarmine) hurdled 13,91 in the highs with a negative wind (-1.3). He also won the intermediates in 37,52.

Marisa Kwiatkowski (11/Wilcox) leaps 40 feet to win the girl's triple jump:

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    Name                    Year School                  Finals  Wind
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  1 Marisa Kwiatkowski        11 Wilcox                40-00.00   1.4
  2 Alicia Yee                11 Wilcox                37-04.25   1.9
  3 Alexa Kuechle             11 Leland                37-01.75   2.8
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun May 26, 2013 10:34 am

Prep 400
- inching closer to 45.xx as Marcus Chambers is new prep leader going 46.36 PR in the WA state meet winning by 2.5 seconds... double winner as he also ran 21.30 PR.

- still VA state finals still to come for Michael Cherry, as he's rounding into form with an easy double at VA regionals, 21.37 (1.2) PR and 47.31 win, also by 2+ seconds.

Prep LJ - Jalen Ramsey (TN) goes 25-3.25 / 7.70, but unfortunately NWI.

Prep HJ - co-US #1 Rachel Proteau (OR) at 6-01.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Sun May 26, 2013 12:00 pm

gktrack wrote:Felecia Majors at VA Regionals... 6 wins and a second place over 2 days

Um . . . there's a national federation limit of 4 events per athlete . . .
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby tandfman » Sun May 26, 2013 1:52 pm

Marlow wrote:
gktrack wrote:Felecia Majors at VA Regionals... 6 wins and a second place over 2 days

Um . . . there's a national federation limit of 4 events per athlete . . .

Are all states required to follow National Federation rules, or are those just model rules, suggested for state adoption?
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby bushop » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:18 pm

Oregon bound Cullen Prena's (Walled Lake Central) 1.6kg discus rides the winds to 207' 5" and 210' 1" in Michigan... he also improved his 12 lb. shot put PB from 57' 11" to win a 2nd gold with a 60' 11".
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:51 pm

gktrack wrote:Prep 400
- inching closer to 45.xx as Marcus Chambers is new prep leader going 46.36 PR in the WA state meet winning by 2.5 seconds... double winner as he also ran 21.30 PR.

- still VA state finals still to come for Michael Cherry, as he's rounding into form with an easy double at VA regionals, 21.37 (1.2) PR and 47.31 win, also by 2+ seconds.

... almost... Michael Cherry new HS #1, going 46.02 at VA State Meet. Felecia Majors with a fine 53.65, probably HS #5
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Jnathletics » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:59 pm

Have to push Michigan HS'ers. Here's a few results from Michigan's State Meet today

Hannah Meier 4 wins 4x8, 4x4, 1600 (4:39) 800 (2:06) Both Individual races were state records
Erin Finn 3rd in 1600 (4:45) and new state 3200 record 10:08

some impressive young males also two sophmores
Grant Fisher (Grand Blanc) 1600 2nd in photo finish 4:15 and 3200 1st 9:04
Ben Hill (Royal Oak) 3200 2nd 9:06

For the field event
Cullen Prena (Walled Lake Central) Discus 210'-1"

http://www.mhsaa.com/sports/girlstrackf ... sults.aspx
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:04 pm

bushop wrote:Oregon bound Cullen Prena's (Walled Lake Central) 1.6kg discus rides the winds to 207' 5" and 210' 1" in Michigan... he also improved his 12 lb. shot put PB from 57' 11" to win a 2nd gold with a 60' 11".

Throwholics FacebookCullen Prena videos/ stories
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:33 am

another altitude (approx. 1600m) HS #1...
- Marybeth Sant - 11.25 (1.8), in second was soph. Alleandra Watt 11.41
Note: Sant did hold her own in the adidas Dream 100 a week or two ago, barely losing to then #1 Ky Westbrook.
- Watt later won the 200 in 23.67 (1.8)... as a soph, she's also run a 53.78 400m
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Master Po » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:50 am

The Portland Track Festival will probably get its own thread later in the week, but there is some HS-specific competition included that is worth mentioning here. In addition to Mary Cain's entry in the 5k, Elise Cranny, Alexa Efraimson, Katie Knight & Amy-Eloise Neale are also slated to compete.

http://or.milesplit.com/articles/106597 ... k-festival

Meet site here, but as of now no other info on entries:

http://portlandtrackfestival.com/
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:57 pm

I'm in NCAA mode, but some good HS action at the Great Southwest Classic today (6/8) - when you have some time to take a peek...
6 of top-10 nation's 100m girls lineup today in one of many good lineups...
entries:
http://www.directathletics.com/view_public_entries.html?sport=track&meet_hnd=28998
results:
http://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?do=view_event&event_id=2133&mgroup_id=44531&year=2013
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:32 pm

#4 or #5 on the all-time HS (depending on how you look at it) decathlon score by Wolf Mahler at the Great Southwest Classic - 7420 points with HS implements (I believe 7065 with junior implements). Heading to Texas next year, another promising decathlete for the Longhorns.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Master Po » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:23 pm

Portland Track Festival, 8 June

women's 1500 high performance
Elise Cranny 4:15.86
Alexa Efraimson 4:16.00 PB

I think it's the case that Cranny had already become #3 a-t HS at this distance; this would make Efraimson #4 on the a-t list.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250685 ... tival-2013
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:21 am

Reading today's article via T&FN on Kansas' Lindsay Vollmer (NCAA Heptathlon Champ), there was mention of a local high school junior who's leaning toward the multi-events, Alexa Harmon-Thomas.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/jun/09/opinion-kansas-lindsay-vollmer-multiple-threat/

Alexa won the recent Kansas HS State titles in 100H (14.11), 300H (42.70), LJ (19-5)...
She also has marks of HJ (5-10.5), 200 (25.09), 800 (2:28.43), JT (82-7.75), SP (32-9.25)
Her best marks already add up to a respectable heptathlon score of 5257, and she just won the Great Southwest Heptathlon with 5158 points... maybe another Jayhawk multi-eventer in the making...
http://ks.milesplit.com/athletes/2065754-alexa-harmon-thomas
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