lionelp1 wrote:They did not race London the way you should race it; even the most experienced screw up, we see. Shame in such pleasant conditions, when a sensible first half should have been the order of the day.
What's "sensible"?? If your intention is to run 2:03.......then a 1:01:30 first half is right on pace....EXACTLY on pace. They hit the half in 1:01:34, the announcer said. Unless you feel that negative splits would be easier! But how "slow" would you have them go the first half....if they say they want a 2:03?? 1:02 or slower?? Then they'd have to pull out a sub 1:01 for the last half!! (Although Jeptoo ran over three minutes faster in her second half!! )
If your intention is to run 2:03, you don't run through 10km in 28:55 (or whatever the split was).
But let's face it, they were never going to run 2:03. Those sorts of times are run in Berlin or Frankfurt when there isn't that depth of competition which allows them to focus on the clock.
Why the silly talk by Aaronk about a 2.03 as if the athletes discussed it beforehand and thought they could do it on the London course. The fact, to people who know the course and the publicity pressures, is that several world class runners made a mess of their strategy.Just got carried away on the day.Slowest time for a while I think. I suggest that Aaronk sticks to his expertise on Mary Cain or college boys and girls in the USA
BTW the essence of the race, as always, is to win as Kebede would point out ; the time does not matter a tinkers cuss, except to certain posters who are sadly obsessed , unhealthily, with times.
Nobody would have opined, before the start of the race on a pleasant windless day, that the top Kenyans would have performed so poorly. 2.07,2.08 and 2.14 !! As Robert Johnson of Letsrun rightly said the Gods of the Marathon were rightly pissed off by the crazy running of the first half.
Master Po wrote:More to discuss about pacing, etc. for ideally fast marathons, but along the way we should give Kebede his due -- he is a great competitor.
14 marathons -- all in elite level international races: 6 wins; 2 @ 2nd; 4 @ 3rd (including two championship medals). Since his debut, he's finished "outside the medals" only once in 13 other starts. Only one "bad" race -- for him -- was London 2011, when he merely ran a 2:07:48 for 5th. Lots of credit to him today. Running a 2:06 off a 1:01:30 first half, and coming from behind to win, I am sure was difficult.
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I will be curious to see if Ethiopia offers him a slot on their WC team. He is 6th on their 2013 list, behind 4@2:04 from Dubai, and Regassa's 2:05 win at Rotterdam.
I'm wondering also. Ethiopia would have profited by selecting Kebede for the Olympics. Here's hoping they learn from last year's mistake ... although the lure of a Fall marathon might outweigh the WC for Kebede. The WC just doesn't have the weight of an Olympic marathon.
They'll have to sort out the problem of wheelchair athletes and runners colliding! The womens' race surely changed by the incident ... and spoilt! Haven't the organisers heard of "risk assessment"! Those wheelchair athletes were certainly not going to take any prisoners! I'm pretty sure that, at one time, the wheelchair athletes started off well ahead of any runners.
CookyMonzta wrote: Bad move to send them off after the women.
It is kind of amazing they do that. I don't think I would want to be in a race knowing those guys, going 20+ mph, are coming up behind you. And the guy who knocked her down was definitely at fault. What a chucklehead.
PS. Of course, at they didn't get bitten by their opponent.
26mi235 wrote:Aside from the driving/running aspect he was coming from behind and should be DQed for interfering with another runner from behind. She has no way possible to be looking out for him.
The organizers, hopefully, will recognize their multitude of errors here and correct it for next time.
To be honest, had I been the involved wheelchair athlete, I don't know how I could have avoided the collision in that situation, after a slower athlete changed lanes suddenly and cut right in front of me... I find it hard to blame Josh Cassidy, as long as he wasn't in an area of the course that he wasn't permitted to be in, and since a wheelchair is considerably less maneuverable than a pair of legs are... To me, it seems like the fault should lie with the race organizers for not taking adequate precautions to avoid problems like this.
Conor Dary wrote:Just saw the replay of the collision. No one thought that might happen? Pretty idiotic. Hard to fault the runners.
Never been a big fan of the wheelchair people in marathons. More like cycling.
Don't "pedestrians" (runners, in this case!) always have the "right of way"??
Yep, fault goes to the wheelchair "driver"!!
Nobody was to blame. The wheelchair racers always start before the women and nothing like this, to my memory, has ever happened before (although I've somewhat worried something might). It was just unfortunate they happened to meet at the feed station at the same time on a very narrow stretch of the road, which in itself should perhaps be addressed too. If anyone is to blame, it's the race organisers!
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Just read the statements from London Marathon, Gelana and Cassidy on the front page. How fortunate that both athletes both appear to have law degrees and are able to craft such elegantly worded statements!!
And how very reasonable of them not to blame London Marathon in any way. I suspect they have both already been signed up to compete next year for very generous fees.
I know the blame and litigation culture has gone too far but this was an accident waiting to happen - either start the WC race first or give them feed stations on the other side of the road.
Don't ever have wheelchairs and runners on the same piece of road, again ! It's as simple as that! Those wheelchair athletes were not going to stop for anyone. Call it being in the zone, if you like. I call it being totally irresponsible!
On the high seas, the burden is always with the overtaking vessel. Same in aviation.
The driving imperative in these marathons has been to stagger the start times so as to compress the finish of the various races (men's, women's, m wheelchair, w wheelchair, visually impaired, etc) into a reasonably short time span. That imperative, as we saw in London, impacted another one, namely the safety of the runners.
When a marathon starts the elite women before the elite men, it isn't a problem because runners overtaking runners happens all the time, and the awareness and etiquette are quite natural. However, when it comes to a race that mixes runners with wheelchair racers, we just saw what can happen. Common sense should rule the day ...
1. Start the wheelchairs first. 2. End of story.
The wheelchair racers will finish well before the runners, which means that the tv coverage of the wheelchair finish will take place while the elite women's race is still unfolding. As it is now, the wheelchair finish happens just as the late race surges are being made. I would much rather miss 5 minutes of coverage at the 15 or 20k stage of the race than miss those same 5 minutes at the 30 or 35k stage.
I stand by my contention it was the wheelchair "driver's" fault!! On any road, in any country (I believe....but not certain of this!), pedestrians.....or those on foot......have the RIGHT OF WAY......against ANY vehicle...whether it's a NASCAR car, a wheelchair made to race, a bicycle from the Tour de France, or even a skateboard propelled by a pimply-faced teenager!!!
He (the wheelchair driver) had the RESPONSIBILITY to avoid hitting a person on foot! PERIOD!!!
That said, the organizers were IDIOTS for setting up a situation in which such an event MIGHT happen!!
Thus, next year....and anywhere wheelchairs are mixed with runners (or walkers!)....the wheelchairs MUST start first!!
And if they hit anyone.....for ANY reason....they should be disqualified from the race.....just as a runner might be if they cause another runner to be injured, or kept from running their standard race.
Maybe that's harsh.....but a speeding vehicle is a potentially lethal weapon.....and the driver who doesn't know how to use that weapon safely and responsibly....should be held accountable!!
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bobguild76 wrote:Ethiopia would have profited by selecting Kebede for the Olympics. Here's hoping they learn from last year's mistake ... although the lure of a Fall marathon might outweigh the WC for Kebede. The WC just doesn't have the weight of an Olympic marathon.
Now that WC is part of the World Marathon Majors, Kebede can clinch his $500K by finishing in the top 4 at the WC. (He has a commanding 24 pt lead over Kipsang.) He won't be getting any appearance fees, but he may get some bonus from his sponsor (as well as the Ethiopian federation/Olympic Committee) if he wins the title. And his future appearance fee will go up with the world title, and so could his shoe contract.
The whole set of wheelchair contestants were at fault. The are coming up at a speed of about 20mph, the come in on the left side between the aid station and the runners. Now, the wheelchair athletes that cause the actual collision were a bit further back, as was the aid station itself when the first in the line race through on the left. However, there was (almost certainly) an indication that the aid station was coming up and was on the left side.
One problem with having the wheelchair athletes leaving before the women start and them being ahead of the men, in this case by an hour, is that the latter part of the course is active for an even longer period of time.
Still, placing them either on a different part of the course (on the other side of barriers, etc., which might lead to different distances (along the same general route) and hence a slightly altered start and/or finish.
Also, remember that the top women are not at all used (like, it virtually NEVER happens to these athletes) to being past by someone that they were not running with in the last 5, 10, 20 seconds