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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:38 pm

Dutra5 wrote:Impressive triple... do you happen to know what was the order of his events?

100/400/200
Don't know the timeframe.[/quote]
mid-afternoon: prelims in 100 and 200, probably an hour apart.
evening: finals in 100 - 400 - 200 within a 2-hour timeframe.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:46 pm

Thanks Dutra5 and Marlow for the posts...Make that very impressive.. so after 4 prior races in the day, including a 46.46 400, he looked pretty strong coming home in the 200 final. Looked like there was little wind out there as well.
http://brian-jaeger-elite-classic.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&event_id=1862&video_id=85275
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:52 pm

Marlow wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
gktrack wrote:Impressive triple... do you happen to know what was the order of his events?

100/400/200
Don't know the timeframe.

mid-afternoon: prelims in 100 and 200, probably an hour apart.
evening: finals in 100 - 400 - 200 within a 2-hour timeframe.


The Jaeger meet running events started at noon. There were no preliminaries and was over by about 3pm.

Marlow seems confused as to which meet was being discussed.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:46 pm

Dutra5 wrote:Marlow seems confused as to which meet was being discussed.

Indeed. My bad.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:52 pm

West Coast Relays: Blake Haney, 3rd at Arcadia over 3.200m (8.48,58), wins the 1.600m in a CA state-leading 4.10,39, pulling Jose Herrera (4.18,75y at Stanford) down to a 4.12,03 PB. Haney ran his second 1.56 on the year on Thursday (1.56,39 PB) as part of a 4.21,01/1.56,39/9.23,87 triple.

Scotty Newtown (Bakersfield) won the LJ/TJ in 24-02,25 (+0,2)/49-0,5w (+3,1). Newton's LJ victory marked the first time he'd surpassed the 24-foot mark (jumped 23-11/nwi on Thursday)
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Master Po » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:42 am

According to this article,

http://fl.milesplit.com/articles/103889 ... -2117-4646

Andres Arroyo, with a dominating 3200 yesterday, is now just the 5th prep to run sub-1:50 and sub-9:00 (3200). The other four stated here include some prominent names: Jim Spivey, Alan Webb, Edward Cheserek, and someone I probably should recognize but who is simply referred to in the article as "Engels."
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Blues » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:45 am

Master Po wrote:
Andres Arroyo, with a dominating 3200 yesterday, is now just the 5th prep to run sub-1:50 and sub-9:00 (3200). The other four stated here include some prominent names: Jim Spivey, Alan Webb, Edward Cheserek, and someone I probably should recognize but who is simply referred to in the article as "Engels."


Current North Carolina State University freshman Craig Engels, who ran 1:49.89 (800), 4:03.96 (mile), and 8:55.51 (3200) last year as a North Carolina high school senior. He was also the 2012 Penn Relays high school boys mile champion.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:47 am

It was slow, but there was an interesting match-up at NY's Icahn Stadium yesterday.

Kadecia Baird beat Sabrina Southerland in the girl's 400, 55.12 to 57.93.

The weather was described as "blustery".

Baird also ran a 24.17 200 (NWI).
And Southerland ran the 1st leg on her team's 4X800 relay. They ran 9:30, so I'm assuming her leg wasn't super fast.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:27 pm

Dutra5 wrote:Glover also won the 100m today.

So 10.60/21.17/46.46


I was curious to see how Reggie Glover stacked up against other recent preps who ran the open 1/2/4 over the course of their HS careers. Using DyeStat's "legal" time database, IAAF scoring formulas, and some Excel work, here's a top-20 list from 1999-current. The cutoff criteria used the top 750 performers for the 100 (=10.71), top 750 for the 200 (=21.54) and top 1,000 for the 400 (=48.10). It may not be perfect/comprehensive as I'm sure I missed some (e.g. I couldn't find a 100m time for B. Nellum who went went 20.43/45.38 in 2007), but R. Glover scoring over 2900 points is something preps don't do very often, and he did his in one afternoon.

Name (Class) (School) 100m 200m 400m (IAAF POINTS)
Willie, Kelly (2002) (Sterling, TX) 10.24 20.49 45.52 (3109)
Carter, Xavier (2004) (Palm Bay, FL) 10.38 20.69 45.44 (3059)
Bailey, Aldrich (2012) (Timberview, TX) 10.42 20.78 45.19 (3052)
Merritt, Lashawn (2004) (Woodrow Wilson, VA) 10.47 20.72 45.25 (3044)
Christian, Brendan (2002) (Reagan, TX) 10.20 20.56 47.71 (3002)
Scheuerman, J.T. (2006) (Littleton, CO) 10.45 20.74 46.23 (2997)
Hall, Arman (2012) (St. Thomas Aquinas, FL) 10.61 20.82 45.39 (2992)
Tate, Tavaris (2009) (Starkville, MS) 10.62 20.89 45.48 (2979)
Bozmans, Raymond (2012) (Fort Collins, CO) 10.27 20.84 47.56 (2963)
Armstrong, Trae (2012) (Deer Valley, AZ) 10.48 20.74 46.84 (2959)
Evans, Sheroid (2011) (Dulles, TX) 10.39 20.82 47.18 (2954)
Mitchell, Maurice (2008) (Raytown South, MO) 10.40 20.77 47.60 (2937)
Dukes, Dedric (2011) (Booker T. Washington, FL) 10.6 20.94 46.38 (2932)
Clark, Charles (2006) (Bayside, VA) 10.47 20.92 47.21 (2924)
Harts, Trey (2006) (Barbe, LA) 10.55 20.8 47.12 (2921)
Winfrey, Eric (2011) (Douglas Byrd, NC) 10.44 20.98 47.29 (2920)
Saine, Brandon (2007) (Piqua, OH) 10.37 21.49 46.69 (2914)
Peterson, Domenik (2003) (Jefferson City, MO) 10.58 21.04 46.81 (2905)
Glover, Reggie (2013) (Dr. Phillips, FL) 10.60 21.17 46.46 (2904)
Graham Jr., Hugh (2011) (Miami Northwestern, FL) 10.53 21.38 46.44 (2900)

Also this season:
Ways, Ceolamar (2013) (Nease, FL) 10.63 21.47 47.01 (2839)
and sophomore,
Lucas, Paul (2015) (Mountain Pointe, AZ) 10.66 21.47 47.75 (2795)
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby MJR » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:39 pm

Katie Michta has a 25:47 5000m time, which is only 17 seconds off the IAAF standard for World Youth. Still no word from USATF whether they'll impose a tougher standard on her.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:46 pm

MJR wrote:Katie Michta has a 25:47 5000m time, which is only 17 seconds off the IAAF standard for World Youth. Still no word from USATF whether they'll impose a tougher standard on her.


What's the deadline for getting a Q?
Is there another race she could enter before that to try for it?

BTW, she's Maria's younger sister, right?
How old is she?

A walking dynasty in the making!! :D
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby MJR » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:55 pm

aaronk wrote:
MJR wrote:Katie Michta has a 25:47 5000m time, which is only 17 seconds off the IAAF standard for World Youth. Still no word from USATF whether they'll impose a tougher standard on her.


What's the deadline for getting a Q?
Is there another race she could enter before that to try for it?

BTW, she's Maria's younger sister, right?
How old is she?

A walking dynasty in the making!! :D


World Youth Trials meet is the qualifying meet
Penn Relays in 2 weeks is her shot at the time
Yes
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Yes
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Daniel Foster » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:11 pm

gktrack: Just checked the LA Unified School District track and field record page. Lists Quincy Watts as having the following best times: 100 = 10.30A; 200 = 20.50A; 400 = 46.67
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:12 am

Daniel Foster wrote:gktrack: Just checked the LA Unified School District track and field record page. Lists Quincy Watts as having the following best times: 100 = 10.30A; 200 = 20.50A; 400 = 46.67

Yes, as noted, I only had data going back to 1999. Q. Watts total would be 3036, again showing the quality of Reggie Glover's one-day total of 2904 points.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Michael Cherry with a good 100/200/400 this year after his first outdoor 400 over the weekend with a 47.23, winning by 2 seconds.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:49 pm

Attn: Stat Freaks

This might better go in the Historical forum, but I have a question about Erica Whipple.

I'm redoing some of my T&F Record Book pages (They get rather messy sometimes!! :oops: ), and came across a possible error.

On my Top 24 All Time HS girls 100 list, I had Erica Whipple having run an 11:32 100 in 2000, making her 20th on my list.
But while redoing the page, I was double-checking it with the list in the 2013 HS Track book, and Ms Whipple's name is nowhere to be found!!
Not on the all time 100 list, even the wind-aided portion, nor on the 200 list.
The only list she's on is the indoor all time 200.

Then I checked this site's archived list for 2000.
Whipple's 11.32 IS listed there!!

What gives??
Was this an oversight on Jack Shepard's part...or Mike Kennedy's??
Or has that mark been taken from the list for some reason unknown to me?
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:48 am

She ran 11,37 ahead of Sanya Richards (11,61) at the Florida Relays in 2000.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:01 am

EPelle wrote:She ran 11,37 ahead of Sanya Richards (11,61) at the Florida Relays in 2000.


If 11.37 was Whipple's best in 2000, then the T&FN archive list is wrong....because it has her at 11.32.
Also, the HS Track book ends their A-T list at 11.36.....so if she ran "only" 11.37, then that would explain why she isn't on that list.

So....someone has it wrong!
Meanwhile, I'm keeping her 11.32 on my list.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:15 am

The 11.37 is a known (and notable) mark; it does not imply that is her PR etc. but that she does belong on the list. [Also note that SR eventually ran much faster.]
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gh » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:07 am

a decade or so after the fact it was discovered that the 11.32 had been misreported in the media and was actually an 11.47.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:39 pm

100 leader Levone Whitfield (10.28) is out for at least the rest of his HS team's season with an ongoing tendinitis problem.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gktrack » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:03 pm

from an earlier post...
Dutra5 wrote:Jones' district meet was today so they didn't run at the Jaeger meet. Whitfield finished second in both the 100 and 200 to his teammate in rather pedestrian times for him. I don't know whether he was letting his teammate have a couple of district titles or he's nursing an injury.

gh wrote:100 leader Levone Whitfield (10.28) is out for at least the rest of his HS team's season with an ongoing tendinitis problem.


Very unfortunate, he was having a great season.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:06 pm

Sabrina Southerland ran 1500 in 4:26.05, running against collegians.
Amy Eloise-Neale did the 3K SC in 10:37+.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby gh » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:02 am

this thread is getting so long and fractured that it's hard to follow, so I took the liberty of splitting of the SAC boys mile as a separate thread.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:32 pm

Well, two seconds slower than a 7th grader ran last year... but still pretty good (especially with a seed time of 2:13).

Girls 800 Meter Run High School
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Relays: R 2:09.44 2012 Daesha Rogers
Name Year School Seed Finals H#
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1 Daesha Rogers 8 American Her 2:13.29 2:11.69 1
2 Emily Edwards Ft. Myers High S 2:15.00 2:12.68 1
3 Danielle Avery 12 Naples 2:15.03 2:12.84 1
4 Rachelle Alexander 12 American Her 2:16.23 2:14.20 1
5 Madison Harris 11 Wakulla 2:14.00 2:16.28 1
6 Alon Lewis 10 St. Thomas A 2:17.20 2:16.92 1
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:08 pm

Pretty good girl's and boy' HS 1600's at Kansas.

Hannah Long won easily in 4:49.95 (68.62 last 400).
Spencer Haik ran 4:11.76...last lap of 59.87.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:18 pm

At Mt SAC...Ivan Gonzalez beat both Bernie Montoya and Ben Saarel in the 800....1:52.27 to 1:52.40 and 1:52.64..
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby t_monk » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:49 pm

Women 100 Meter Hurdles Invit Elite
=====================================================================
World Record: W 12.21 1988 Yordanka Donkova, Bulgaria
American Rec: @ 12.33 2000 Gail Devers, Nike
Meet Record: $ 12.63 2000 Anjanette Kirkland, Nike
Name Year Team Finals Wind
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Finals
1 Yvette Lewis Brooks 12.43 2.7
2 Vashti Thomas Academy of Art 12.56 2.7
3 Jessica Zelinka NYAC Nike 12.91 2.7
4 LaTisha Holden Unattached 12.96 2.7
5 Katie Grimes Texas Tech 12.99 2.7
6 Tamika Robinson Unattached 13.34 2.7
7 Lauren Blackburn USC 13.47 2.7
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Blues » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:41 pm

26mi235 wrote:Well, two seconds slower than a 7th grader ran last year... but still pretty good (especially with a seed time of 2:13).

Girls 800 Meter Run High School
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Relays: R 2:09.44 2012 Daesha Rogers
Name Year School Seed Finals H#
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1 Daesha Rogers 8 American Her 2:13.29 2:11.69 1
2 Emily Edwards Ft. Myers High S 2:15.00 2:12.68 1
3 Danielle Avery 12 Naples 2:15.03 2:12.84 1
4 Rachelle Alexander 12 American Her 2:16.23 2:14.20 1
5 Madison Harris 11 Wakulla 2:14.00 2:16.28 1
6 Alon Lewis 10 St. Thomas A 2:17.20 2:16.92 1


I'll grab the opportunity to give more props to young Ms. Rogers, in addition to props for her winning the above race..

When she ran the 2:09.44 in April last year she was still 12.... Several months later she PR'd again with a 2:07.65 at the AAU meet, shortly after finishing 7th grade. Of all the US high school athletes who were returning, only Mary Cain, Raevyn Rogers, Hannah Meier, and Emma Keenan ran a faster 800 than Daesha in 2012. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on her development.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:52 pm

CA grade-11 triple jumper Marisa Kwiatkowski (Wilcox) recorded a 40-8,5 (12,40m) (+1,2) at the CCS Top-8 Meet at Los Gatos, her first meet over 40-feet (previous best: 39-9/12,11m).

CA grade-9 runner Austin Tamagno (Brea-Olinda) pulls out a big PB at 1.600m at the Orange County Champs, running 4.11,10 for 2nd (previous best: 4.14,62)
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:31 am

EPelle wrote:CA grade-11 triple jumper Marisa Kwiatkowski (Wilcox) recorded a 40-8,5 (12,40m) (+1,2) at the CCS Top-8 Meet at Los Gatos, her first meet over 40-feet (previous best: 39-9/12,11m).

CA grade-9 runner Austin Tamagno (Brea-Olinda) pulls out a big PB at 1.600m at the Orange County Champs, running 4.11,10 for 2nd (previous best: 4.14,62)


Are you certain about Tamagno being a 9th grader??

If so....and if he could run the same kind of time for the full mile (NOT 1600!!)....he could break the frosh class record for the mile!!

In the 2013 HS Track book, the full mile record for HS frosh is listed as 4:15.07.
The 1600 best for 9th graders is listed as 4:09.69.
And if he were timed enroute (during the mile!) at 1500 meters, he could get BOTH class records, as the listed frosh class 1500 best is just 3:56.84.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:34 am

Yes, he is a first-year high school student. Race recap. He ran a 4.08 1.500m as a grade-8 kid last season.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Master Po » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:50 am

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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:06 am

Master Po wrote:Some more stats for Austin Tamagno (per Milesplit CA, and Dyestat):

http://ca.milesplit.com/athletes/3000110-austin-tamagno

http://parser.dyestat.com/search.jsp?at ... XUIlY7d7ww


Wow!
The first thought that came to mind while looking at his race results and PR's was........He COULD be Mary Cain, Boy's version!!
Second thought was......I told you so!!! ("You" being generic!! :) )
Why??

Look at his PR's
1:59.92
8:42 3K
9:18 two mile
15:34 5K (and even faster-paced 14:30 three mile!!)
AND......
4:11.10 for the 1600.

Cain has (so far!!!!) run 4:11.01 for 1500.
And because I think she has 4:05 potential this year, I've said she COULD run in the 8:40's for 3K and a sub 15:30 over 5K.
Oh yes, and remember that if Mary should run HER 800 in 1:59.92, she gets the HSR!!!

Well, la de dah, here comes Old Austin Tamagno, and HIS times come pretty damn close to what I said Mary Cain could do!!

Thank you, Mr Tamagno, for helping give substance to my ravings!!

And I will be VERY interested to see what he does the rest of this season!!
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:18 am

Mary Cain will not run 1.59 in high school -- if ever.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby aaronk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:32 am

EPelle wrote:Mary Cain will not run 1.59 in high school -- if ever.


Famous last words?? :D :wink:

I say....if not this year...then 2014!
She's a 1500/mile and 800 specialist (for now) with a blazing kick.....and the ability to run 1:31+ for her LAST 600 of a mile race....notwithstanding that she practically WALKED the first 1000 meters!!

But, as her race schedule (beyond the Drake 1500) is unknown at this point, we'll have to wait and see where her focus will be this season....and whether she'll run ANY 800's (this year).
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby unclezadok » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:00 am

The only way Mary Cain will never run a 1:59 is if she never runs the race again. Her mile times and speed clearly indicate that she can break 2:00 right now.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:06 am

EPelle wrote:Mary Cain will not run 1.59 in high school -- if ever.

If ever??!! Her kick is for real, even after hard paces. Does that not show her ability to run fast while tired? That's the 800 in a nutshell. I could even see a negative split possibility: 60/59 . . . with more training of course. Not this year, but sooner than later.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:26 am

Cain reminds me of a possible Sonia O'Sullivan type -- good range (2.00,69|3.58,85|14.41,02), but no sub-2. Szabo ran exceptionally well over the mid-distances, but she didn't hit the 800m and record a sub-2. Rowbury's run a 4.00 at her best, but has she run sub-2?

To put it mildly, the talent's definitely there for Cain. However, it's dependent on what she concentrates on, and how durable she'll be. Will little high schooler Mary Cain still be little Mary Cain as she transforms into adult runner at some point?

Anyone remember 2.03/4.07 Ciara Mageean, runner up at previous World Youth and World Junior champs? What are her current PBs? Has she improved at 800m? There hasn't been much (any?) chatter here about Jessica Judd, whose 4.09,93 finished ahead of Cain in Barcelona. Judd's got a 2.00,96 PB and improved to 9.00,06 indoors this winter. Is she a shoe-in for sub-2 as well? There are similarities in both gals. Amela Terzić, who placed ahead of both gals with a 4.07 NR, hasn't run faster than 2.05.

This high school girl/boy comparison to Tamagno is pure fiction. Tamagno is running 1.600m nearly as fast as he ran 1.500m last year. Shall Cain improve to a 4.12 mile this year, too -- because of Tamagno's rate of improvement? Tamagno ran a 15.24 at Mt. Sac (D3 Sweepstakes). Is it imaginable that Cain would also record a 15.24 over that same difficult terrain when she could only manage an 18.45 over a challenging, hilly course this past autumn?
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby Marlow » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:55 am

EPelle wrote:To put it mildly, the talent's definitely there for Cain. However, it's dependent on what she concentrates on, and how durable she'll be. Will little high schooler Mary Cain still be little Mary Cain as she transforms into adult runner at some point?

Perhaps the catalyst for her going sub-2 is that Salazar has taken a personal interest and has near AND long-term goals for her. One can not help but think that a sub-2 is on the agenda.
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Re: Outdoor Outlook--High School

Postby ExRun » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:17 am

EPelle wrote:Mary Cain will not run 1.59 in high school -- if ever.

I'd like to take the other side of that bet. She can run a 55.74 400M and a 4:28 Mile as a 16 year old, so the odds are in favor of her running sub 2:00 800M. Especially because she has nowhere near the muscle tone development of the women she is beating...so I think she has the potential for much faster times.
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