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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:38 pm

Overall, you gotta give olorin credit for Scantling's outdoor projection in his "From Heptathlon to Decathlon scores and summer prediction" thread...

Next up on olorin's "projection" list... we'll have a look at J.Cato and J. Taiwo outdoors (along with Arnold, Szmanda, Ziemek, a couple Swedes, etc.), competing in the decathlon at Mt. SAC on April 17-18. Weather should be good. Here's the entries:
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_entrylist.pdf

Interesting entry in the women's heptathlon... Shana Woods (previous HS record holder at 5533 from 2006)... looks like she may be serious again as it appears she is training at the Chula Vista Olympic Training Center.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:18 am

gktrack wrote:Next up on olorin's "projection" list... we'll have a look at J.Cato and J. Taiwo outdoors (along with Arnold, Szmanda, Ziemek, a couple Swedes, etc.), competing in the decathlon at Mt. SAC on April 17-18. Weather should be good. Here's the entries:
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_entrylist.pdf

After the winter season, I had Taiwo as my favourite for both the NCAA title and taking one of the two empty spots in the American team. He had relatively quite start to his outdoor campaign with weak throws and HJ. After his winter success he said in an interview that he is going to concentrate on his DT. With a PB of 41.8 and a SB of 37.56 he can do with a large improvement. Another interesting event is the HJ. Taiwo indoor PB is 2.25 compared with only 2.11 outdoor (difference of 135 points!). I am not sure that we will see the first “A” by an American but I hope that he will score close to it.

Cato already had a huge improvement on the DT (still with a PB of only 39.6) this season. Right now Cato’s throws are almost as “good” as Beach (the difference between the sum of PBs of the three throws is 34 points). Beach is a better runner, Cato is a better jumper and the difference between the two is roughly 100 points in favour of Beach. Which suggests that Cato should score close to 8000 points.

Hopefully, Jake Arnold can improve so he can compete with the new generation. However, according to the beginning of the outdoor season I'm not too optimistic.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:31 am

Saw Taiwo throw Discus at the Pepsi Invitational (Oregon, Texas A&M, UWash & WSU), and he looked like a rank beginner. It was starting to rain, but his problem was more Arm/Body, with a tense arm never coming up (from Centrigual Force if you allow it to act) into Throwing Position. I called to him thru the fence, "Relax your arm and let it come up". He seemed receptive, but the rain got worse, affecting Sam Crouser, who never got unwound in D, and wasn't able to counter the other Sam in Jav., losing by ~20 ft, w/ 240-ish.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:15 am

Mt.SAC Multis... 8000 potential guys, Cato and Barrefors, not on latest start lists.
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_meetprogram.pdf
Live results...
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/live/trackandfield/
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:33 am

Here is the list, this is called the MtSAC decathlon; there is a CA event as well and that might be the one at AP right now. All of the CA list one guys are in the results, none of the ones from the list below are.

DECATHLON
MtSAC
Jake Arnold ASICS
Bjorn Barrefors Nebraska
Jack Szmanda Minnesota
Marcus Nilsson UCLA
Japheth Cato Wisconsin
Jeremy Taiwo Washington
Zach Ziemek Wisconsin
Dominic Giovannoni UCLA
Daniel Kinsey NEO Elite
Andy Lillejord North Dakota State
Teran Walford Nebraska
Jemal Williams USC
Michael Tibbs Air Force Academy
Josh Gordon Washington
Corey Hammon Illinois
Kurt Reichenback Michigan
Justin Balczak Lake
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:47 am

The results I'm seeing show Teigan Eilers from Humboldt State University (Arcata CA.....my old hometown!!) in 2nd place.

Believe me, when you see an HSU guy in 2nd place in the Dec.......that's the "B" squad you're seeing.

Or maybe the "C"!! :lol:
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:21 pm

The Top sections are still in the initial stages. In the Decathlon, Ziemek (WI) leads as he set a big PR of 10.77/2.0 (11.03, indoor NCAA he had a 7.01 in his 5th-place ~5900 pt Hept). Cato is not listed in the WI story as competing today. He had only a 11.09 in his only decathlon to date (I think), 7043; however, that had a DNS(5:28) in the 1500 [he has no PR listed; he did 2:48/1000 indoors. Note, taking the 7042, the 1500 needs to be 5:28, not DNS, his 10.77 start here, he hit 2.06 indoors (vs 1.97) and 13.11 vs 12.31 SP, 44.45m DT vs 37.09m and his improvement from 4.70 to 5.40 in the PV, he could be set for a pretty big breakthrough this year. with 10.77/7.22m/13.11m/206/50//15.44/44.45/5.40/55.83/5:00 he totals 7949.

Decathlon: 12th - 7,042 (11.09 / 7.13m / 12.31m / 1.97m / 51.52 / 15.81 / 37.09m / 4.70m / 52.17m / DNS) listed as DNS, but 0 gives a total of only 6633, not 7042; put in 5:28 for the 1500 and it works out.

Well, only 6.60/-2.4 on the LJ so.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:15 pm

Top 6 after 2 events

1 Taiwo, Jeremy 10.91 7.51m
SR 1818 (881) (937) 1818
2 Lillejord, Andy 11.01 6.95m
JR 1660 (858) (802) 1660
3 Gordon, Josh 11.18 7.08m
FR 1654 (821) (833) 1654
4 Ziemek, Zach 10.77 6.60m
SO 1632 (912) (720) 1632
5 Arnold, Jake 11.04 6.78m
1614 (852) (762) 1614
6 Balczak, Justin 11.27 6.97m
SO 1608 (801) (807) 1608
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:50 pm

26mi235 wrote:Top 6 after 2 events

1 Taiwo, Jeremy 10.91 7.51m
SR 1818 (881) (937) 1818
2 Lillejord, Andy 11.01 6.95m
JR 1660 (858) (802) 1660
3 Gordon, Josh 11.18 7.08m
FR 1654 (821) (833) 1654
4 Ziemek, Zach 10.77 6.60m
SO 1632 (912) (720) 1632
5 Arnold, Jake 11.04 6.78m
1614 (852) (762) 1614
6 Balczak, Justin 11.27 6.97m
SO 1608 (801) (807) 1608


Two PBs to Taiwo that unfortunately were followed by 11.13 in the SP (3 meters below his indoor best). Taiwo now overtake Beach as the collegian with the highest sum of PBs in the decathlon.
Ziemek is showing signs of becoming the next Scantling with very good PB in the 100. He was a bit unlucky with the wind in the LJ.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:46 pm

Mt. SAC Deca: Looks like the guys are struggling a bit. Taiwo at 3297 after 4 events after going 2.13 in the HJ, maybe now the only one with a legit chance at going over 8000 it seems, and/or maybe Arnold if he throws well on day 2? If Taiwo matches his PB's in 400/110H/PV/1500 and throws 40m Disc/50m Jav, that'll add to 8069... unless I'm missing something.

I noticed Cato was at Specs Town this past weekend, so that explains why he's not here... he went 14.20 in the hurdles and 24' 5.5" (7.45) there.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby exdrake » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:57 am

In small meet this past weekend Curtis Beach ran 200m in 21.30 to break 56 yo Duke record of Dave Sime (prev. 21.34).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:36 am

That's terrific for Curtis to run that fast. But it's only fair to the much speedier Dave Sime to point out that he seldom got to run on a turn, much less 200m--which would entail taking a separate, official time just a meter or so before the actual Finish Line at 220 yds. This was done at major meets, esp. 400/440 and even 800/880, though I'm not sure how "official" those meter times were in many cases. Dave Sime's 20-flat 220, along w/ his 220 LH WR, would indicate he could've easily run considerably faster in some of those Duke meets.

If Beach had better Discus and Jav. he could put up a helluva Pentathlon score--if he could find a meet. Bill Toomey parleyed his superior 200m and LJ into a National Championship Pentathlon in 1960, in Kansas City, MO, in 90 degree heat. Kent Floerke, the Kansas LJ'er was 2nd, yours truly a not very close 3rd, thanks to sticking close to Toomey in the 200m, and managing to stay upright in the Discus following the dizzying 200.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:29 pm

gktrack wrote:Mt. SAC Deca: Looks like the guys are struggling a bit. Taiwo at 3297 after 4 events after going 2.13 in the HJ, maybe now the only one with a legit chance at going over 8000 it seems, and/or maybe Arnold if he throws well on day 2? If Taiwo matches his PB's in 400/110H/PV/1500 and throws 40m Disc/50m Jav, that'll add to 8069... unless I'm missing something.

I noticed Cato was at Specs Town this past weekend, so that explains why he's not here... he went 14.20 in the hurdles and 24' 5.5" (7.45) there.


Very disappointing first two events for Taiwo in the second day. He ran 14.83 in the hurdles (pb 14.22) and threw 37.01 in the DT. Taiwo's throws have been really weak in the beginning of this outdoor season. If he will not sort them out by June, he will not be able to compete with Lazas and company.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:50 pm

olorin wrote:Very disappointing first two events for Taiwo in the second day. He ran 14.83 in the hurdles (pb 14.22) and threw 37.01 in the DT. Taiwo's throws have been really weak in the beginning of this outdoor season. If he will not sort them out by June, he will not be able to compete with Lazas and company.

Then he NH's in the PV and throw 139 feet (42.45m) in the javelin, while others dropped out. Looks like we may barely get a 7500 out of this meet (from Arnold)... I was hoping for more with the initial entry list, but it goes to show the difficulty of stringing 10 events together in 2 days.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:53 pm

The first multi is sort of a shake-out process. Even when things are going great, bumps can derail great starts (Scantling). This is especially true for athletes from 'up here' where we have had few days even in the 40s or low-50s.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Per Andersen » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:20 pm

exdrake wrote:In small meet this past weekend Curtis Beach ran 200m in 21.30 to break 56 yo Duke record of Dave Sime (prev. 21.34).

What? Dave Sime ran 21.1 in the NCAA in 1956, in a heat I believe. He also had 21.0 in France in '57 when he was still at Duke.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:42 pm

Per Andersen wrote:
exdrake wrote:In small meet this past weekend Curtis Beach ran 200m in 21.30 to break 56 yo Duke record of Dave Sime (prev. 21.34).

What? Dave Sime ran 21.1 in the NCAA in 1956, in a heat I believe. He also had 21.0 in France in '57 when he was still at Duke.

I assume they added the 0.24 seconds to his hand-timed 21.1 to get 21.34? Not sure about the 21.0 or the fact that a 220y (which I assume he ran in the NCAA's back then) is longer than the 200m?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:25 am

Thanks, Per. I was also surprised to see Sime's supposed Duke Record that slow, but 'gk' points out the likely addition of 0.24 correction for HandTiming. Nevertheless, no one has specified which of Sime's races were on the 220 Straight (What's that correction, 0.3?) and which Curve. I know the 20-flat was on a Straightaway, as was the LH WR.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:45 pm

exdrake wrote:In small meet this past weekend Curtis Beach ran 200m in 21.30 to break 56 yo Duke record of Dave Sime (prev. 21.34).

Beach continues with his good (non-throws) early season form.
In ACC outdoor meet he ran 46.72 PB (46.90) to qualify third for the final tomorrow. Additionally, he jumped 7.51 his second best legal results (PB 7.57).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:53 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Thanks, Per. I was also surprised to see Sime's supposed Duke Record that slow, but 'gk' points out the likely addition of 0.24 correction for HandTiming. Nevertheless, no one has specified which of Sime's races were on the 220 Straight (What's that correction, 0.3?) and which Curve. I know the 20-flat was on a Straightaway, as was the LH WR.

For some reason Sime, for all his athleticism, simply did not seem to be able to quite handle the 200t.
I thought Sime's 200t PB was 20.9 but maybe that was in '60. He ran several decent 200t in France in '57. Of course, in '56 he ran about 5 or 6 times sub 20.4 in the 220 straight.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:38 pm

Jay Cato went 7.84/0.0 and 5.33m PV today, but false-started in the Finals of the 110h after winning his heats in low-mid 14s. The LJ is 1cm off his indoor PR and 18cm up on his outdoor mark. previous PVs were 5.30 indoor and 5.26 outdoor. His 60h marks is 7.83/1025 pts, while his outdoor hurdles are 14.03/979, so I keep expecting him to shave that 110h down to the 13s; it takes 13.61 to hit 1025 points.

No weight events for Cato, but his teammate has now hit 20m SP for a surprise 3rd (and 3 cm from 2nd) at Indoor and this week he threw 61m for the Discus, so maybe the throws will get better since the coaching appears to be there.

And, his (red-shirt) freshman Deca teammate just hit 62.93m/206-5 in the Jav to increase his PR by about 10m and his Deca points by 150.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:38 pm

26mi235 wrote:Jay Cato went 7.84/0.0 and 5.33m PV today, but false-started in the Finals of the 110h after winning his heats in low-mid 14s. The LJ is 1cm off his indoor PR and 18cm up on his outdoor mark. previous PVs were 5.30 indoor and 5.26 outdoor. His 60h marks is 7.83/1025 pts, while his outdoor hurdles are 14.03/979, so I keep expecting him to shave that 110h down to the 13s; it takes 13.61 to hit 1025 points.

No weight events for Cato, but his teammate has now hit 20m SP for a surprise 3rd (and 3 cm from 2nd) at Indoor and this week he threw 61m for the Discus, so maybe the throws will get better since the coaching appears to be there.

This has been a good year for Cato so far. His current sum of PBs is close to 8,200 points and he improved this year by close to 250 points. I expect him to improve his JT by at least 5-6 meters soon. If so, he is likely to give Beach a close fight behind Lazas, Nixon and Taiwo (if healthy). His strong suit is the jumps as he is consistent 7.70+ and 5.20+ jumper. His throws are still the weak point but even their he is not as horrible as he used to be after a large improvement in the DT earlier this season.

Re the 110h - when I was doing my heptathlon to decathlon score "project" I looked into the 60h score vs. 110h scores. Most decathletes have much higher score in the 60h than the 110h, while the same is not true for the 60 vs.100. I assume that the reason is that the safer Technic that decathletes use causes them to lose a lot of time when they pass more hurdles in the 110h. Even Eaton has a score of 25 points higher in the 60h than the 110h hurdles while most other decathletes will tend to lose more. There is no easy way to translate 60h times to 110h (which is why I decided not to do this conversion). Cato already ran the 110h (at least) four times this season all in the low 14 range. I am not sure that this is the place to look for large improvement for Cato (I think than beside the throws the 1500 is his best chance for large improvement).

To sum - yet another prospect for the "A" but will need to improve further if he is to challenge Lazas and Nixon.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:55 am

26mi235 wrote:Jay Cato went 7.84/0.0 and 5.33m PV today, but false-started in the Finals of the 110h after winning his heats in low-mid 14s. The LJ is 1cm off his indoor PR and 18cm up on his outdoor mark.

Just noticed that Cato is the second best jumper of all active American decathletes. Below is a list of the six best jumpers based on their sum of PBs in the three jumping events:
1. Eaton.....3,030
2. Cato......2,950
3. Hardee...2,893
4. Taiwo....2,846
5. Lazas.....2,799
- Beach.....2,799
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gh » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:30 am

Cato said early yesterday morning that he wasn't going to do any decathlons this year. Then let me give you the e-mail message I got.

<<He then went to the vault and won with a PR at 5.33m (17'5.75"). He had the bar raised to 5.40m and missed twice. He stood at the head of the runway for his third try holding his pole and lightly rocking back and forth waiting for the right moment to start his run up. As he rocked back he suddenly crumpled backwards to the ground and started screaming in pain. This continued for well over a minute. I called on the mike for a trainer or medical assistance to go to the PV runway immediately to assist him. When help arrived he was still twisting and screaming. After about five minutes his lower leg had been wrapped in a compression bandage and with assistance he was put on a large golf cart and transported to an ambulance near the rear entry to our track. Most observers seemed to think he had torn or ruptured his achilles tendon. His collapse was rather strange considering that it appeared he wasn't putting any significant strain on his leg with the gentle rocking motion. No confirmation yet on the exact nature of the injury, but the outlook certainly does not look good for this versatile young athlete. >>
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gh » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:32 am

ok, so the Cato injury was clarified on another thread, but I'll add part of that quote from "spy" here too:

<<a snap was heard and Cato immediately dropped to the ground screaming in pain. It was a freak accident which was diagnosed as a ruptured Achilles. Cato appeared later at the stadium in a walking boot, and said that plans were for surgery either on Sunday or Monday.>>
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Re: USA Multis

Postby user4 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:42 am

Per Andersen wrote:
Jackaloupe wrote:Thanks, Per. I was also surprised to see Sime's supposed Duke Record that slow, but 'gk' points out the likely addition of 0.24 correction for HandTiming. Nevertheless, no one has specified which of Sime's races were on the 220 Straight (What's that correction, 0.3?) and which Curve. I know the 20-flat was on a Straightaway, as was the LH WR.

For some reason Sime, for all his athleticism, simply did not seem to be able to quite handle the 200t.
I thought Sime's 200t PB was 20.9 but maybe that was in '60. He ran several decent 200t in France in '57. Of course, in '56 he ran about 5 or 6 times sub 20.4 in the 220 straight.


So the Sime WR for the 220 straight was 20flat or 20.1 ?.. I think his WR was with almost no wind too, a remarkable fact for a 220 straight WR, where one would expect to harness a maximal wind advantage.

Comparing anything Beach has done with Sime at 200m is somewhat comical. Nevertheless I would like to see Beach take his 400m PR a little more seriously. Something tells me there is another full second hiding in there.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Dave » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:46 am

Anyone know what Eaton did yesterday?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gh » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:14 am

don't know if he did anything yesterday, but he's vaulting this afternoon at Stanford
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:14 am

Payton Jordan Invitational is today, Sunday. Eaton is entered in 5-6 events (incl. 100 & HH), but reports here have been he only intends to throw Discus and Pole Vault. Same as last year, only vaulting and tossing Jav: PR ~60m. That was his first real breakthrough in the Weights, continued this year w/ Jav >66m and SP > 15 m. We're all hoping to see today's Discus pushing 50m; and in the PV, sky's the limit, so to speak.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby bambam » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:03 am

One interesting thing Beach has told me is that he thinks he's the fastest sprinter at Duke - this is somewhat more a reflection of us not having very good sprinters or football players with sprint speed.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:39 pm

What a disappointment at Stanford: Eaton not only passed on the Discus altogether, but elected to pass 5.05, then miss 5.20, ending up w/ 4.90, nearly 16 inches below PR (5.30). While it made a certain sense in the context of the competition, it's perplexing in terms of the apparent "controlled workout" approach of these selective competitions.

Finals
1 Levi Keller Club Northwest 5.30m 17-04.50
4.45 4.60 4.75 4.90 5.05 5.20 5.30 5.50
P P P P P XXO XO XXX
2 Kasey Burlingham Azpva 5.20m 17-00.75
4.45 4.60 4.75 4.90 5.05 5.20 5.30
P P P XO O O XXX
3 Ashton Eaton Nike Otc Elite 4.90m 16-00.75
4.45 4.60 4.75 4.90 5.05 5.20
P P P XO P XXX

Makesya wonder if something came up, or maybe it was the schedule.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:47 pm

In Arkansas Team Invitational Lazas won the decathlon with a mediocre 7,537. None of Lazas's results were especially good as he was below par for the entire 10 events.
Miller Moss was leading the competition until the JT. In the process he broke two PBs 14.85 SP and 5.00 PV.
Unfortunately, he had a disaster in the JT (35.84!) and did not finish the 1500.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:22 pm

Well, it started out being a good day for the US decathlon guys: 7.84/0.0 for Cato, then Cato hit 5.33 but then he snaps Achilles Tendon and Ziemek hurt, then Eaton skips and then vaults 4.90, then Lazas hits only 7500.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:19 am

26mi235 wrote:Well, it started out being a good day for the US decathlon guys: 7.84/0.0 for Cato, then Cato hit 5.33 but then he snaps Achilles Tendon and Ziemek hurt, then Eaton skips and then vaults 4.90, then Lazas hits only 7500.


Good God. :(
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:12 pm

Curtis Beach ran a 1:48 split at Penn.
The multi at Arkansas was hampered by rain.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed May 01, 2013 7:01 pm

As April and the relay season are over it is a good time to summarize the situation of young American decathletes. In order to “qualify” for the list below a decathlete needs to:
1. Born after Eaton (25.01.88)
2. Have sum of PBs of more than 8,000 points.
I used both indoor and outdoor marks for the LJ, SP, HJ and PV in order to calculate the sum of PBs.
For each athlete I present the name (year of birth), sum of PBs (improvement in 2013), decathlon best and heptathlon best.
1. Taiwo.....(90) 8471 (239) 7742 6156
2. Beach.....(90) 8447 (134) 8084 6138
3. Moss.......(88) 8396 (59)..7996 5968
4. Nixon......(93) 8362 (59)..7892 6232
5. Lazas......(90) 8301 (107)..7955 6175
6. Horn.......(90) 8288 (0)....7954 5971
7. Murphy....(90) 8264 (15)....8067 5748
8. Cato.......(90) 8191 (242)...7616 6165
9. Scantling..(93) 8174 (619)...7824 6017
10. Brey......(88) 8119 (0)......7932 5677
knocking on the door: Keys 7982 (61) and Prentice 7901 (224)

Few remarks:
Taiwo - large part of his improvement this season is related to his 2.25 HJ. His second best jump is only 2.16 (also this season).
Beach - His marks include the 3:59.13 that he ran in a separate day. His second best is only 4:07.85
Nixon - did not compete outdoor this season
Cato - is out for the season
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Wed May 01, 2013 7:35 pm

I always look forward to olorin's updates... One other "young" guy I just had nudging over 8000 on a PB sum basis is Wesley Bray (born April 11, 1988). He scored 7932 at the Texas Relays last year, and adding a few extra PB's gets him to 8050, I believe. I remember seeing him in one meet this year but had a DNF in the 1500.

My gut tells me that Gunnar Nixon will be in Moscow this summer, being one of the younger ones and more likely on the steeper part of the improvement curve... and last I heard he was in full training by home in Oklahoma... but no sign of him yet outdoors as olorin mentions.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed May 01, 2013 7:48 pm

Ziemek (who might also be hurt - only one comment about him and his shoulder and withdrawing after one attempt) has also made big strides this year (5th Hept Indoor, 10.77 in his first outing, 5.40 PV, ). His first outside chance is the 2015 WCs and then the OGs. He has a relatively mediocre 400 and also 110h compared to his 10.77, which is better than Cato's 100 and Cato has a 47 to 51 lead (IIRC) in the 400.

The Wisconsin head coach (Nuttycomb) was himself a decathlete and he seems to have an eye for guys that might do well and to bring them along well. They now have a really good throws coach (Block was a surprise 3rd inthe SP at 20.00m and just hit 200'/61m in the DT) and that should eventually translate into improving throw s scores.

It is interesting to see which schools now consistently have good multi athletes -- Georgia, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Oregon, Kansas State(?), ... [can others fill out more?]
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed May 01, 2013 9:13 pm

gktrack wrote:One other "young" guy I just had nudging over 8000 on a PB sum basis is Wesley Bray (born April 11, 1988). He scored 7932 at the Texas Relays last year, and adding a few extra PB's gets him to 8050, I believe. I remember seeing him in one meet this year but had a DNF in the 1500.

My gut tells me that Gunnar Nixon will be in Moscow this summer, being one of the younger ones and more likely on the steeper part of the improvement curve... and last I heard he was in full training by home in Oklahoma... but no sign of him yet outdoors as olorin mentions.

Have to admit that this is the first time I came across his name :oops: thanks for the correction. I will add him to the table.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed May 01, 2013 9:27 pm

26mi235 wrote:Ziemek (who might also be hurt - only one comment about him and his shoulder and withdrawing after one attempt) has also made big strides this year (5th Hept Indoor, 10.77 in his first outing, 5.40 PV, ). His first outside chance is the 2015 WCs and then the OGs. He has a relatively mediocre 400 and also 110h compared to his 10.77, which is better than Cato's 100 and Cato has a 47 to 51 lead (IIRC) in the 400.

The Wisconsin head coach (Nuttycomb) was himself a decathlete and he seems to have an eye for guys that might do well and to bring them along well. They now have a really good throws coach (Block was a surprise 3rd inthe SP at 20.00m and just hit 200'/61m in the DT) and that should eventually translate into improving throw s scores.

26mi235 (how should I call you?) - this is sort of "good" news as I thought that Ziemek is out for the season as well.
Zeimek has a sum of PBs of 7793 and this year he improved by 365 points (second behind Scantling). If he will compete this season I think that he has a good chance to increase his sum of PBs above 8,000.
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