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Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:53 am

In an article on the front page, Haile Gebrselassie says he intends to chase the age 40 records....and the age 45 and 50 records too!!
He did NOT say the records he'll chase will be on the track, but I'm assuming that's what he meant.
And several of them ARE within his reach!
(He turns 40 on April 18!!)
Here's a rundown of the records, from 1500 through 10000.

1500............3:44.06 (Doubtful, as he'd need near-4:00 mile speed.)
1 mile...........3:58.79 (Doubtful too. See 1500.)
3000.............8:03.69 (Doable!! That's about 13:25 5K pace!)
2 mile...........??? (Don't know what the age 40 record is here. But Dick Buerkle ran 8:24.13 for 2 miles at age 39 in 1987. That's about 7:50 or so 3K pace. I think Geb could do 7:50, and finish a 2 mile in around 8:25. The slowest he'd go is probably 8:30 (7:55 at 3K).
5000.............13:43.15 (Absolutely doable!! I would think a sub-13:30 is eminently doable!!)
10000............28:30.88 (Just last year, at age 39, Geb ran 27:20.39! He's NOT going to slow down more than a full minute in one year!! I'd guess something well under 28:00 for Geb. Maybe even a sub-27:30!!)

Then there's the marathon!!
The current age 40 record is 2:08:46.
Geb can do that....if he's healthy and the weather and course are good....EASY!!
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:13 am

Interesting how much better the mile and 2-mile times are than the 1500/3000 while the WRs are the opposite.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby CookyMonzta » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:46 pm

If he can go 7:50 for 3K or 27:30 for 10K at age 40, anything faster than 3:58.15 (Coghlan) is not out of the question.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:11 pm

CookyMonzta wrote:If he can go 7:50 for 3K or 27:30 for 10K at age 40, anything faster than 3:58.15 (Coghlan) is not out of the question.


That 3:58.15 is the INdoor record.
The 3:58.79 is the OUTdoor record.
But either one would be difficult for a guy who hasn't run a mile/1500 in YEARS!!
Even for Geb!

Then again, if he specifically trained for the shorter stuff, maybe.
My guess is, he'll go for the 5K and 10K first, also the marathon....then maybe try for the 1500 to 2 mile distances!!
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby DrJay » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:25 pm

Face it, it's Geb. ANYTHING is possible. Maybe the NBA.....
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby gh » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:28 pm

there are those who thought he set the age-40 records a decade ago :mrgreen:
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby CookyMonzta » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:37 pm

gh wrote:there are those who thought he set the age-40 records a decade ago :mrgreen:

Speaking of which, did they ever find out exactly when Miruts Yifter was born? Last I read, even the date of 15 May 1944 is still unconfirmed, and he may already have Masters (40+) WRs in the 5K and 10K if it can be confirmed that he was born before the summer of 1940.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:52 pm

gh wrote:there are those who thought he set the age-40 records a decade ago :mrgreen:


If that's true...and he is, indeed, actually FIFTY years old now...
well, wouldn't that make his times of the past 5 or so years that much more amazing?? :)
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby oldtimer2 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:51 pm

I believe there's some guy named Eamon Coghlan who ran an indoor mile of 3:58.13 with a conservative calculation of 3:43.15 for the 1500m en route at Boston on 2-20-94.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby TN1965 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:12 pm

aaronk wrote:My guess is, he'll go for the 5K and 10K first, also the marathon....then maybe try for the 1500 to 2 mile distances!!


Regardless of whatever Geb might do, 1500 to 2 mile records will be bettered by Lagat in two years. (And probably 5K record, too.)
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:25 pm

TN1965 wrote:
aaronk wrote:My guess is, he'll go for the 5K and 10K first, also the marathon....then maybe try for the 1500 to 2 mile distances!!


Regardless of whatever Geb might do, 1500 to 2 mile records will be bettered by Lagat in two years. (And probably 5K record, too.)


I hope you're right.
But I can't help remembering some other late-30's people who retired before they hit 40....just when I was seeing them as PRIME candidates to SHATTER some 40-and-over age records.
Here's a few:

Johnny Gray continued through to age 40, but he'd run 1:45.38 at age 39, then slowed all the way to 1:50 or so at 40. You don't slow 5 seconds in just one year!!

John Walker ran 3:37.43 and 3:55.19 at age 38, then retired. If he'd continued, he might have been the 1st to go sub-4:00 at 40 or older!! Coghlan beat him there!!

Dieter Baumann ran a 3K in 7:43.93 at age 38, then retired. The age 40 record is 8:03.69.

Allen Johnson ran 13.65 at age 39. The age 40 record is just 14.16. If Johnson had continued just 1 more year, he would have shattered that mark!!

While Edith Masai DID run well at age 40....she did so ONLY in the 10000....with her age 40 record of 31:31.18. However, she easily COULD have gotten the age 40 records for 3K and 5K....which are just 9:11.2 and 15:20.59. Masai had run the 3K and 5K at age 39 in 8:27.17 and 14:33.84!!

Gail Devers retired at age 37, running her age 37 record of 12.50 in 2004. But the age 38, 39, and 40 records are just 13.09, 13.40, and 13.55, respectively!!

Stacy Dragila retired at age 38, vaulting 14-10 that year, an age 38 record. But the age 40 record is just 11-9 and 3/4!! Even if she vaulted just 13-6 or 14-0 at age 40, she would have crushed that mark!!

So we'll have to wait and see what Lagat's plans are....or if injury or whatever might cause him to retire before he reaches 40 (He'll be 40 when the 2015 season begins!).
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby pakillo » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:54 am

Vienna City Marathon (with half marathon) live stream- Sunday 8:40am CET
http://www.vienna-marathon.com/?url=new ... etail=1673
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby measurer » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:50 am

Master's is 35+

The road running community has been going back and forth with the IAAF over this for years.
World Masters wants it at 35+
The road racing community wants it at 40+
The IAAF rule was changed a few years ago to go from 35+ to 40. Then it was changed back to 35+ due to some lobbying from the WMA.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby doug5321 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:04 am

gharib is 40 years old now in last years london marathon he ran 2:07.44, he has been under 2:08 for 9 years in a row, and under 2:09 since his first marathon 10 years ago. geb could have some good competition from gharib.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby br » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:46 am

aaronk wrote:So we'll have to wait and see what Lagat's plans are....or if injury or whatever might cause him to retire before he reaches 40 (He'll be 40 when the 2015 season begins!).


To find your answer, all you have to do is read this month's Track and Field News Magazine. On page 14, Lagat's reply to Sieg Lindstrom's question about retirement had he won the London 5000m says it all.

"Oh that would have given me more fire, man. Ha-ha! I would have been like 'Let's go!' If I had won it, I think I would have taken another 6 years before even thinking of retirement.

That's not to say... I did not medal but that doesn't mean I did not get fire. So what next? This year we have a World Championships. Another four years?"
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:40 am

Geb ran 1:01:14 in Vienna's half-marathon.
Does anyone know if that's the fastest-ever half by a 39 year old??
I don't keep road race records....except for the marathon.

I looked it up in my 2012 Athletics Annual, but their A-T list for the half only goes through 52nd best performer, at 59:44.
The oldest person on that list was.....Geb....but that was when he was 32!!
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:52 am

A bit of adding/subtracting may reveal the answer to the query you have made:
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/mhmaraok.htm
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:16 pm

EPelle wrote:A bit of adding/subtracting may reveal the answer to the query you have made:
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/mhmaraok.htm


Yes, it is.
Thanks for the link.

Which means, since I didn't see any age 40's through 1:01:14, all Geb needs to do, after April 18, is to run ANOTHER half in 1:01:14 (or faster!!), and he'll be the age 40 record holder too!!
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby TN1965 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:27 pm

The record for 39 yr old was 1:0210. (Eduardo Henriques 16 Mar 2008 Lisbon POR)

http://www.arrs.net/SA_HMar.htm

Geb already had the record for 34, 35, 37 and 38 yr old. (36 yr old record belongs to Gharib.)

M40 WR is 1:02:28 (shared by two runners.)
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:01 pm

He went out in about 14:05, costing him time at the end.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby Powell » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:43 am

doug5321 wrote:gharib is 40 years old now in last years london marathon he ran 2:07.44, he has been under 2:08 for 9 years in a row, and under 2:09 since his first marathon 10 years ago. geb could have some good competition from gharib.


Gharib will be doing the Warsaw Marathon next weekend. I believe the course is supposed to be fairly fast.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby TN1965 » Mon May 20, 2013 12:14 pm

A new M40 WR for Geb. (46:59 10mile)

http://www.bluewin.ch/fr/index.php/153, ... ports/sda/
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby Master Po » Mon May 20, 2013 5:03 pm

Powell wrote:
doug5321 wrote:gharib is 40 years old now in last years london marathon he ran 2:07.44, he has been under 2:08 for 9 years in a row, and under 2:09 since his first marathon 10 years ago. geb could have some good competition from gharib.


Gharib will be doing the Warsaw Marathon next weekend. I believe the course is supposed to be fairly fast.


I know this is a Geb thread, but as this was posted along the way, I thought it was worth an update: One month shy of his 41st birthday (22 May), Gharib finished 3rd in the Warsaw Marathon (22 April), in 2:10:11.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby gibson » Mon May 20, 2013 9:30 pm

geb might be able to go 27 low for 10k on the track, so anyone with a 331 1500m in his past can go sub 4 comfortably, that is if you go on a diet of 58 second quarters for a while.

walker was going to take a shot at the 40 year old mile record and in training coach said he was on track for 3:55. but injury hit and that was the end of that.

new zealander jack foster age 41 ran 2:11 silver medal commonwealth in 74.
jack also ran a couple of minutes behind franco fava's winner of the auckland marathon in 78 on a short course.

jack was one of the best runners i've ever seen. in his 40's he made just about everybody look stupid.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby Atanvarno » Sun May 26, 2013 10:15 am

Another M40 record for Geb. 28:00 10k in Manchester.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby EPelle » Sun May 26, 2013 12:47 pm

Atanvarno wrote:Another M40 record for Geb. 28:00 10k in Manchester.

http://www.greatrun.org/News/article.aspx?nid=216
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby TN1965 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:24 pm

Geb will be running Hamburg marathon. Hopefully, he can break the M40 WR.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:30 pm

TN1965 wrote:Geb will be running Hamburg marathon. Hopefully, he can break the M40 WR.

I wish he were running the London Marathon.
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Re: Geb to chase age 40 records

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:41 am

I will be very interested to see how he does in this marathon (4 May). When that day arrives, he will 41 yo, slightly more than 2 years removed from his last marathon finish (Tokyo 2012, 2:08:17), and will have most recently behind him (starting with NYC 2010) 3 DNFs in his last 4 starts. Of course, I hope he does well, and I expect he will do well. Given the title of this thread, I am assuming he has in mind Espinosa's 2:08:46. However great Geb has been and still is, and however durable he is, he will not have too many more opportunities realistically to go after that record.

Hamburg might be a good choice (but how would I know?): In the last two years, it has produced a fast winner (2:05), but overall isn't deep (2 @ sub-2:10 in 2013; 6 @ sub-2:10 in 2012), so if he's running for 2:08, he will likely be in or near the top group. That might be desirable for pursuing his goal, over being several minutes behind the leaders (e.g. at one of the majors). Also, regarding London, it hasn't been a great venue for him: After his debut there, it was the site of his lowest/slowest finish, and his first DNF (and only DNF for several years -- til this recent set of non-finishes).
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