JumboElliott wrote:So I take it Eugene is the only city that wants it/Nike is willing to pay for it?
What makes you think the Trials are not self-supporting? Pricey tickets, full houses, corporate sponsorships more than just Nike and the room and car rental taxes generated raise a lot of money, plus most of the athletes don't get paid (prize money last year totaled around $500K--not sure if USATF footed that bill or passed it on to Eugene--ticket sales would have generated roughly $750,000-$1,000,000). The City of Eugene and State of Oregon have made grants in the past (the State grant last Trials was $550,000) based on an estimated $31,000,000 in local revenue generated by the Trials. My guess is that the grants are merely passing back some of the hotel and car rental taxes collected.
The Des Moines Register has an online story this evening titled "Eugene Chosen Over Des Moines For US Olympic Trials": “We’re obviously really disappointed, but we just need to move forward,” said Greg Edwards, president and CEO of the Greater Des Moines Convention and Visitors Bureau. “They’ve told us we would be a city that they would work with and nurture us, to go towards the 2020 Trials. They’ve got new leadership there (at USA Track and Field), and I think there’s a good comfort level with Eugene,” Edwards said.
gh wrote:I suspect it would be nigh on impossible for somebody to come up with an OT at Randalls Island that wouldn't be a big money loser, NYC pricing being what it is.
The real problem is the general lack of interest in track and field in NYC. There's a reason the Millrose moved out of a 17,000+ seat arena into a 3000 seat venue; take away the Jamaicans and the Diamond League meet attendance would be poor. Baffles me that a metro area of some 18,000,000+ people can't generate a little more interest in our sport. Icahn would need a substantial upgrade to accommodate more than the 5000 the grandstand holds; Eugene has managed to squeeze in a lot of extra bleacher space during the Trials, so it could be done, though Icahn is at the dis-advantage of having only one grandstand. And as GH mentioned, production costs would be through the ceiling given the powerful unions there. Eugene ticket costs were around $500 for the best seats, all sessions. My guess is NYC would have to charge $1,000 (or about 4X what it costs for World's tickets) to cover additional costs not found in Eugene. Hotel prices and general costs of visiting NYC would probably put a dent in attendance if ticket prices already didn't.
There appears to be nowhere in the NE where the meet could be held. At this point, only Sacramento and Eugene are viable spots and Sacto doesn't seem to have lost their hard feelings after the 2008 bidding process (can't really blame them). I've purposely omitted Des Moines given the long throws situation there and the fact that the seating capacity is 8000 less than Eugene.
JumboElliott wrote:NYRR could find a way to make money off of it.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Such has not proved to be the case in the past. The NYRR jumped in with both feet in '89 and '90, if I remember the years correctly, and took on sponsorship of the New York edition of what was then the IAAF's GP Circuit (the Mobil GP).
Attendance-wise, the meet was an abject failure. The NYRR people (as I heard it) were absolutely stunned that they could offer their vast membership tickets to the meet at a good discount (maybe even free?) when they signed up for the NY Marathon. Just one of many stops along the road in which it was demonstrated that the road-running participants don't care squat about our sport, by and large.
I have no idea if the NYRR was involved when USATF was staged at Randalls Island in '91, a meet that also was less than an artistic success. You'll note that nobody from New York has made a peep since about hosting any kind of national meet.
The NYRR is indeed a great moneymaking machine by some excellent can-do people, but I fear they met their match when they came to this puppy and can't imagine them trying again.
the feel I get is nike wants to buy the sport if it could
Well that is better than no one at all, which will probably be the case when Phil Knight is no longer around.
Hy-Vee, an Iowa-based supermarket chain, has contributed more than $500,000 to the Drake Relays. The T&FN article (May)) says this is a 5 year commitment! And that's a BIG reason why this year's Drake has such a great elite group of athletes competing!! (Although maybe not the ONLY reason!))
Anyway, Phil Knight and Nike aren't the ONLY ones keeping this sport alive!!
exdrake wrote:and my mile and 2 mile PR remain from the indoor field house there.
Whoa, that's a crazy/impressive/baffling fact. Was it the weird quasi-velodrome 11-lap setup then as well? We always talked how fun it would have been to race on that track when we'd use it for warming-up at the Relays.
exdrake wrote:"Zowie! And free hot dogs for anyone who breaks 4 minutes! What a deal."
Conor, love ya but that smacks of snarkiness directed at my alma mater. and my mile and 2 mile PR remain from the indoor field house there.
Congrats tu Eugene/Heyward/Go Ducks.
Yes, it was a bit snarky and if I offended anyone I do apologize, especially Drake U people, it is a fine university. My niece almost went there, but decided not to in the end.
I do think local sponsorship is fine and great for the Drake Relays, which I have been to a few times and really enjoyed. But it is local sponsorship and hardly on the level that Nike is putting into it.
And for what it is worth a Trials in Des Moines is closer for me than Eugene. Though I do have a place to stay in the latter. So
By the way, what is the schedule going to be in 2016? Are they going to a 2 weekend affair? I think that is doable in Eugene. But a pretty crazy idea in Des Moines.
PS. You still hold the indoor records! That is pretty cool. Much better than I ever accomplished.
Kevin M: NOoooooo. My beloved Drake Fieldhouse indoor track was 12 laps to the mile, not 11. I loved it! No crazy splits to decipher (i.e., 3 laps to a quarter, 6 for a half when doing repeats) and huge mechanical clock at start finish to see if you'd hit 24 when trying to knock out 72 sec quarters, etc.
It was kinda velofrome-esque but I had Coughlin type build and loved it. Not for the long-legged.
Conor: My PRS (as Drake soph) I wrote--nowhere near track records. Long, dull story re why not bettered outdoors or indoors after.
Randy Wilson used to work out there readying for '80 Olympics in his post-collegiate days.
Conspicuously, nobody--not even fans of a northeastern site--have mentioned Buffalo. I wonder why that is? (A wild guess: Starts with a 1, ends with an 8, and has two 9s in the middle. Institutional memory still lingering?)
gh wrote:what I'm eager to see is how much upgrade this (and next year's World Juniors) will spur in terms of the aging physical plant.
There's long been talk of rebuilding the West grandstand to allow for more seating and better legroom; the idea is to maintain the historical look while modernizing seating for those of us over 5'6". If and when that ever happens, I hope they retain the steep rake that allows one to feel like they're right in on the action below. I imagine the announcing crews would also appreciate a more modern press box with better visibility.