hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?


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hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby doug5321 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:53 am

does the criteria for the hall of fame include relays? i was wondering if because alyson felix was on the 4 x100 that set a world record does that count for getting in?

what about indoor golds and/or world records?

or non championship events like the mile or half marathon?


these standards are tough bernard lagat and gail devers and carl lewis will never get in, as great as their accomplishments are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAAF_Hall_of_Fame
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Re: hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby aaronk » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:05 am

Two big names popped out at me for NOT being on the Wiki lists!!

Flojo and Mary Slaney.

Both qualify on ALL of the criteria.
So why are they excluded??
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Postby tandfman » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:07 am

doug5321 wrote:these standards are tough bernard lagat and gail devers and carl lewis will never get in, as great as their accomplishments are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAAF_Hall_of_Fame

If you look at the wiki list, you'll see that Carl Lewis is already in. And if you look at the standards carefully, you'll see that the athlete must have been retired for 10 years. Neither Lagat nor Devers meet that criterion yet.
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Re: hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby doug5321 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:13 am

i forgot lewis had the 100 record for 3 years, nevertheless good athletes wont get in.
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Re: hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby mcgato » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:42 am

The criteria of 2 golds and 1 wr only applies to the first groups of inductees. At some time in the future, they will relax the criteria to let others in.
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Postby aaronk » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:00 am

mcgato wrote:The criteria of 2 golds and 1 wr only applies to the first groups of inductees. At some time in the future, they will relax the criteria to let others in.


I saw that....but still doesn't explain why Flojo and Slaney aren't on either list, of first inductees or athletes who DO meet their criteria.

Flojo wons 2 individual Golds, and holds the 100 and 200 WR's.
Slaney won 2 WC Golds in 1983, and her 1982 10K of 31:35.3 was a WR....however briefly!
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Re: hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby doug5321 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:21 am

tandfman wrote:
doug5321 wrote:these standards are tough bernard lagat and gail devers and carl lewis will never get in, as great as their accomplishments are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAAF_Hall_of_Fame

If you look at the wiki list, you'll see that Carl Lewis is already in. And if you look at the standards carefully, you'll see that the athlete must have been retired for 10 years. Neither Lagat nor Devers meet that criterion yet.



well gail devers will never have a world record as she is age 46, and lagat though competing well sill, will never run under 3:26 for 1500, under 12:37 for 5000 or under 26:17 for 10000, and this wont change after they are retired for 10 years.
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Postby gh » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:23 am

aaronk wrote:....
I saw that....but still doesn't explain why Flojo and Slaney aren't on either list, of first inductees or athletes who DO meet their criteria...


go back and find the original material on the HOF, which was well discussed here. The first class was specifically designed so that all event groups and all the IAAF's constituent areas were represented. So the first class of 24 is by definition not anybody's choice as the 24 best ever.
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Postby TN1965 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:39 am

doug5321 wrote:well gail devers will never have a world record as she is age 46, and lagat though competing well sill, will never run under 3:26 for 1500, under 12:37 for 5000 or under 26:17 for 10000, and this wont change after they are retired for 10 years.


Lagat holds WR in 1500, mile, 3000 and 5000 (both indoor and outdoor). Master's record in M35, that is. Maybe they can relax the rule to accept those as "world records." :)
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Re: hall of fame criteria 2 golds and 1 wr?

Postby gh » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:56 am

with no outdoor WRs and no Olympic golds, Lagat may make the HOF some day, but not until a lot of others have been enshrined (and a lot of years have gone by).

Indeed, I'm eager to see some kind of formalized timetable. I don't want to see a "rush to judgement," but it would surely be nice to have at least all the obvious people in place before I die. USATF's version isn't going to make it.
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Postby booond » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:28 am

If you look at any Hall of Fame at its origin, it takes a while to work through the best before tackling the near-best.
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Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:10 am

booond wrote:If you look at any Hall of Fame at its origin, it takes a while to work through the best before tackling the near-best.


Track and field is such a diverse sport....maybe THE most diverse sport!
The idea of ONE Hall of Fame for ALL of T&F is a bizarre concept to begin with.
I'd think you'd need separate HOF's for the sprints, the distances, the hurdles, the horizontal jumps, the vertical jumps, the throws, and the multis.

Also, I'd prefer to see separate HOF's for men and women!!

Actually, not sure, but isn't there a long distance running HOF?
And one for walkers??
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Postby 26mi235 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:16 am

booond wrote:If you look at any Hall of Fame at its origin, it takes a while to work through the best before tackling the near-best.


They started an Economics 'Nobel' prize in the late-1960s. It took about 20 years to go through the backlog of "great" economists to get to the flow of "very good" ones. The HOF should be structured to get through large groups at first and then go at a slower pace.
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Postby tandfman » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:19 am

aaronk wrote:The idea of ONE Hall of Fame for ALL of T&F is a bizarre concept to begin with.
I'd think you'd need separate HOF's for the sprints, the distances, the hurdles, the horizontal jumps, the vertical jumps, the throws, and the multis.

Do you think there should be separate baseball HOFs for shortstops, catchers, outfielders, etc? Absurd!
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Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:29 am

tandfman wrote:
aaronk wrote:The idea of ONE Hall of Fame for ALL of T&F is a bizarre concept to begin with.
I'd think you'd need separate HOF's for the sprints, the distances, the hurdles, the horizontal jumps, the vertical jumps, the throws, and the multis.

Do you think there should be separate baseball HOFs for shortstops, catchers, outfielders, etc? Absurd!


Nope!!
But how about having TWO baseball HOF's!!

One for "natural" players!
Another for steroidal players!! :P
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Postby Dutra5 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:50 pm

booond wrote:If you look at any Hall of Fame at its origin, it takes a while to work through the best before tackling the near-best.


Cy Young, John McGraw and Tris Speaker weren't elected to the Baseball HOF until the second and third year of inductions.
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Postby booond » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:05 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
booond wrote:If you look at any Hall of Fame at its origin, it takes a while to work through the best before tackling the near-best.


Cy Young, John McGraw and Tris Speaker weren't elected to the Baseball HOF until the second and third year of inductions.


There were 47 players on the ballot and five got the 170 vote minimum to make the HOF. Of the 47, 37 eventually made the hall. Cobb received the most votes over Ruth and Wagner, both now considered better players.
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Postby gh » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:35 pm

booond wrote:... Cobb received the most votes over Ruth and Wagner, both now considered better players.


not by everybody!
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Postby booond » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:13 pm

gh wrote:
booond wrote:... Cobb received the most votes over Ruth and Wagner, both now considered better players.


not by everybody!


People think McDonald's makes good food, too. :D
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