Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo


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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Fortius19 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:38 pm

olorin wrote:Do you want the SB (easy) or the SB during decathlon (more complicated)?


I was just thinking the Decathlon SB per year. Like for 2012: 9039/9368.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:05 pm

gh wrote:The only problem in using PRs to weigh decathletes is that the longer the career gets the less relevant the marks become. The poster boy for that is Russ Hodge. The guy who ran 10.3 and 4:12ish was not the same guy who became a 60-foot putter a half-decade later. Somatotypes change.

Agree, but this is usually a problem for decathletes in their thirties and not their twenties. For Eaton, the oldest PB is from 2011 (DT and legal 110h).
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:10 pm

Fortius19 wrote:
olorin wrote:Do you want the SB (easy) or the SB during decathlon (more complicated)?


I was just thinking the Decathlon SB per year. Like for 2012: 9039/9368.


Add decathlon SB in brackets
2008 - 8164....(8122)
2009 - 8573....(8241)......9......LJ, HJ, JT
2010 - 8789....(8457)......7......LJ, 110h,
2011 - 9115....(8729)......7......SP, HJ, DT, JT
2012 - 9368....(9039)......8......LJ, PV, JT
2013 - 9439*...(xxxx)......1......JT
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby gh » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:22 pm

saw a tweet that Eaton's first jump at Stanford was a foul that looked to be in the long 26s.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:29 pm

Eaton ran a wind-legal 10.33 in his prelim of the 100m at Stanford today.

Event 1 Men 100 Meter Dash -
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Name Year School Prelims
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Heat 1 Preliminaries Wind: 0.5
1 Ashton Eaton OTC 10.33q
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:30 pm

...and doesn't appear to have run in the final.

Event 1 Men 100 Meter Dash -
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Name Year School Finals Wind
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Finals
1 Kemarley Brown Merritt 10.38 0.5
2 Nic Bowens Utah State 10.53 0.5
3 Will Henry Utah State 10.59 0.5
4 Cameron Parker Fresno State 10.64 0.5
5 Emil Tolliver Unattached 10.67 0.5
6 Andre McBride Washington St. 10.78 0.5
-- Greg Hornsby Washington St. FS 0.5
-- Carl Horsley Cal St. Northridge DNF 0.5
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:21 pm

Grasshopper wrote:Eaton ran a wind-legal 10.33 in his prelim of the 100m at Stanford today.

Event 1 Men 100 Meter Dash -
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Name Year School Prelims
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Heat 1 Preliminaries Wind: 0.5
1 Ashton Eaton OTC 10.33q


Third (equal) legal best performance for Eaton. He never ran so fast so early in the season. Last year he ran 10.36 (+1.2) in the 20/04. Is a legal 10.1x on the card for this summer? :shock:
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby JumboElliott » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:35 pm

How does the Stanford track generally do for sprinters? It can't be particularly hot outside given the distance performances.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:41 pm

JumboElliott wrote:How does the Stanford track generally do for sprinters? It can't be particularly hot outside given the distance performances.

It's not a particularly speedy track. Soft and built for distance runners.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:45 am

Eaton jumped 6.13m in LJ, :shock: ,did anymore know more details about it?
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby DoubleRBar » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:54 am

Yes, I talked with Eaton yesterday and he said he had some problems with the wind. He did have a pretty long first foul. His 100 looked very easy. I think he doing the shot put today.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Jon » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:01 pm

He added 62cm to his PB in the shot this weekend, putting 15.40m. After his big PBs in the shot and javelin so far this year, I'm eager to see if he has similarly improved in the discus. I also wonder if he's managed to maintain his level in the other events.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Jackaloupe » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:08 pm

Wowsy, finally broke the 50 ft. barrier! Now that 200 ft. is now secure, let's see 150 ft. (45.73) in Discus, and he becomes a consumate all-arounder, what with those pesky 800 pt. events looking (relatively) unbalanced in the face of fire 1000-pt. events (100, LJ, 400, 110 H, and PV).

I take back any scepticism on anything much over 15m --15.50 was projected here, but I got the impression it was just round-number play w/o analyzing Eaton's somewhat hokey "shuffle" style, nor his actual size/power. I would've projected ~15 m (49 ft. plus, but >50), based on watching him warm up at OIyTrials ~14 m and an eye-level "drill" put in that range as an opener.

I take it all back!

Anyone know if this sterling mark was achieved with the same non-gliding shuffle? I mean, that's what Wee We so-called Masters resort to when the knees go (you won't see any Spinners at the over-60 level, at least).

As for Discus, I'm now confident of 150s (45-47m) if not the 50m plus many even-number types are slinging around--which it's now rumored Eaton's seen in practice. Based on this newfound power, I'd say it'll come through once his "hoppy" style gets smoothed out. I still feel a little time with a Discus specialist will take care of all that.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:14 pm

Updated after the PB in the SP (38 points improvement)

Year, sum points based on PBs, SB in decathlon, number of events that he broke PB,and events that Eaton improved by more than 40 points
2008 - 8164....(8122)
2009 - 8573....(8241)......9......LJ, HJ, JT
2010 - 8789....(8457)......7......LJ, 110h,
2011 - 9115....(8729)......7......SP, HJ, DT, JT
2012 - 9368....(9039)......8......LJ, PV, JT
2013 - 9477*...(xxxx)......2......JT

* add six points for the two windy marks to get the official 9483, now less than 100 points from O'Brien "WR".
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Dave » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:54 pm

Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Gabriella » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:10 am

olorin wrote:Still more than 120 points below Dan O'Brien "WR".
The result is a huge PB for Eaton but not so great in decathlon terms as a good decathlete will usually throw ~70. I see no reason why Eaton should not reach this standard sooner rather than later.


Jan Felix Nobel recently set a JT PB too, of 76.36.

There are 29 men on the all-time list that have sum PB totals greater than 9000 pts; 26 over the current WR. Current competing athletes within that 29 are Eaton, Sebrle, Clay, Karpov, Hardee, Suarez and Krauchanka.

I think we can safely say that Sebrle, Clay and Karpov are past their best. In theory one of the others could get close to or PB in every event and break 9000 pts but the difference between sum PB totals and actual decathlon bests is much bigger on the men's side than in the women's heptathlon, where many socre close to their sum PB.

I think the decathlon is going to be very exciting these next years with Eaton & Hardee being chased by a strong set of young Germans & Cubans who are pushing each other. The USA, GER and CUB really are the 3 big nations in this event at the moment.

Then we have 4 great young athletes born in the 1990's led by an amazingly talented Kavin Mayer - Mayer, Sviridov, Shkurenyov & Kazmirek. Though on paper some these have only snuck in the top 20 and are just over 8100, Mayer looks to have a great future, Sviridov & Shkurenyov have the motivation of a home World this season and Kazmirek is part of the great German multievents set-up.

So much to look forward to as well as Eaton. Dont ya just LOVE the decathlon? :D
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby TimRoy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:45 am

Lots of reasons to love the decathlon, as you say, Gabriella, but let's not forget a couple more:

Eelco Sintnicolaas, in his prime and competing for medals;

and perhaps most compelling, Damian Warner, only 23, relatively new to the sport (and already 5th at the Olympics). I think he, more than the redoubtable Germans and Cubans, genuinely threatens the top two.

And more to watch: Helcelet, Nixon, and Lazas, each no older than 21, and already posting impressive scores.

The Ashton Eaton era holds enormous promise.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby unclezadok » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:25 am

Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?


It seems to me that improving in the throws almost never hurts a decathlete's marks in other events. Often they get better with the improved strength.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Marlow » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:35 am

unclezadok wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?

It seems to me that improving in the throws almost never hurts a decathlete's marks in other events. Often they get better with the improved strength.

Depends. Weight gain in the upper body is not a HJer's friend. It's hard to maintain the same strength-to-weight ratio.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:21 am

Marlow wrote:
unclezadok wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?

It seems to me that improving in the throws almost never hurts a decathlete's marks in other events. Often they get better with the improved strength.

Depends. Weight gain in the upper body is not a HJer's friend. It's hard to maintain the same strength-to-weight ratio.


Wasn't this how Donovan Kilmartin went from 7'2" HS HJer to a 6'8" college jumper as he tried to fix his throws?

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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Jon » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:43 am

unclezadok wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?
It seems to me that improving in the throws almost never hurts a decathlete's marks in other events. Often they get better with the improved strength.
Tell that to Jessica Ennis, who used to be a 1.95m high jumper, but ever since she focused on improving in the other events, she's gone backwards in what used to be her strongest event. Same goes for Sharon Day.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:04 am

I sure wouldn't go worrying about Ashton Eaton backtracking in HJ, of all events, where he's so far relied more on his fantastic spring than any serious driving approach: His catlike skip-up to the last 5 or so strides--the only ones leading into that key momentum shift from Angular to Vertical--is almost casual. Even so, he's made 2.05 look easy enough, despite wet (not actually raining) conditions in Eugene--where officials for some unfathomable (pun intended) reason waited until athletes had finished tapemeasuring steps to begin the SqueezGee process to get standing water off, thereby leaving less time for evaporation.

I wouldn't expect to see that sub-7 ft. (2.11m) PB last past the first "Spring" meet. BTW, note how sly ol' Harry Mara had AE doing the first 3 Deca events, presumibly in order. Same "orderly" approach as last year: PV and Jav (>60m) at Stanford (reverse order due to schedule); and HJ and 400 m (45.7 if memory serves) up in N. Oregon (Gresham?, home of the Crousers).

Hope someone "weighs in" on AE's current weight, along w/ observations on current technique in SP (Shuffle or back to Glide?) and Jav (still short approach limited to pure X-steps, or newly incorporating a normal runup?)
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby unclezadok » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:39 am

Jon wrote:
unclezadok wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?
It seems to me that improving in the throws almost never hurts a decathlete's marks in other events. Often they get better with the improved strength.
Tell that to Jessica Ennis, who used to be a 1.95m high jumper, but ever since she focused on improving in the other events, she's gone backwards in what used to be her strongest event. Same goes for Sharon Day.


Not to be sexist, but are they decathletes? There may be a difference because the hept tends to attract more speed-jump athletes at the outset.
Plus the overall outcome for Jessica seems to have been OK.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:09 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:
Hope someone "weighs in" on AE's current weight, along w/ observations on current technique in SP (Shuffle or back to Glide?) and Jav (still short approach limited to pure X-steps, or newly incorporating a normal runup?)


Based on an AE Tweet yesterday, I don't think his SP has changed. The Tweet read: " Keep talking about my SP technique. 15.40 today." He then attached a copy of the scoring sheet used.
https://twitter.com/AshtonJEaton/status/318134571239624704/photo/1

Hope we can get him out of Santa Barbara and up to Eugene for this weekend's Pepsi meet.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:42 pm

Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?

I would imagine that if Eaton is bigger it will effect mainly his 1,500. For example, both Dvorak and Clay were much better in the 1,500 in the early twenties compared to their late twenties when they reach their peak. So he may lose up to 60 points (~10 second) on his 1,500 in exchange for (at least) 360 points gain on this throwing events.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby butch » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:41 pm

Strength/weight has ZERO / NOTHING to do with throwing far ( 218-8/50-6 1/4 PR's this spring...so far!)...nothing at all. It's so over rated.
Real stuff: same weight as last year; not as strong in wt room as last year; less work volume compared to last year;more athletic than last year; no indoor meets this year ( by design )...yet two outdoor meets this spring and see results: above, plus 10.33 / wind +0.5, 46.26 relay leg, 13.76 windy....
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Marlow » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:46 pm

butch wrote:Strength/weight has ZERO / NOTHING to do with throwing far ( 218-8/50-6 1/4 PR's this spring...so far!)...nothing at all. It's so over rated.

And no one said it did. We're talking about the HJ, where it's everything. If he's stronger, that implies more muscle mass (though it could also easily be improved technique). We're asking the question: is his SP PR due to more muscle mass? The fact that he's still using the shuffle leads one to believe it's not improved technique.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby butch » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:15 pm

Marlow,
Ask yourself this...what is the fundamental goal of every thrower from a technical standpoint? ( If you can't answer this question correctly, you have no business discussing the merits of one tech- nique over another. ) Then ask yourself how the shuffle actually helps you achieve that goal. ( if in fact you have any clue to the former question ) You'll quickly realize your earlier comment about " it must be strength " is way off the mark.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:32 pm

Marlowsez: The fact that he's still using the shuffle leads one to believe it's not improved technique. BTW, this Message Board could save half it's space if people would Cut & Paste the snippets they're responding to, rather than tediously repeat entire Posts as obliged by the Quote featere.

That might make sense as far as it goes, but it assumes too much about choice of technique, per se, when it's the manifestation that counts. The main drawback of that unique (in the world of elite T&F) technique, at least in last year's manifestation, was that trunk lean/dip was less than with Glide. Not that all Gliders dip as much as O'Brien, who smoothly dipped low, using leg extension to lead the glide, and stayed that way, whereas many taller putters never get that low. I'm suggesting, below, that Eaton might use a bit more "uncoiling"

Also, maybe less "block" w/ left leg, which is simply placed at the toe board, as opposed to driven downward. [Addendum, following Butch's simultaneous Post: AE's Shuffle lends more consistency in achieving the Throwing Position from which to deliver the desired Power = MV in the correct alignment, @~37 degrees optimal release angle. There's also less chance of getting "stuck" in deep trunk incline, as even a coupla 10ths of a second are effective momentum killers. That was a concern AE expressed during pre-shuffle comps.]

Given Eaton's obvious Core Strength/Power, at play in PV and Hurdles, it makes sense to get that into the SP action. Same in Discus, but there it's been more an inefficient right leg, which seemed to errantly kick about rather than move straight across into the throwing position. Easily (and likely, already) corrected.

Javelin Info still needed. But let's be clear here: any technical speculation is directed toward optimizing potential, not at second-guessing strategic decisions that have clearly favored consistency over max. potential distance, given the world of diff. between Decathlon's 3 Throws and the wide world of 6--to say nothing of the relative backseat Throws have taken in scoring for AE (800s vs. 1000-1100 for 5 other events).

One tradeoff in Jav. is between the speed of a full runup and the more controlled X-step Eaton's been employing. As w/ HJ, it's all about conversion.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Marlow » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:38 pm

butch wrote: You'll quickly realize your earlier comment about " it must be strength " is way off the mark.

Did you miss the "(though it could also easily be improved technique)" statement? I have no idea what the rest of your post means. That the shuffle is as good as the glide or spin? It must be for AE, but that would seem to indicate that he hasn't mastered either, or are the world's elite just missing the obvious? Most HS putters start with the shuffle and then learn to throw farther with the glide or spin. I have no doubt that Mara and AE know what they're doing (DUH!) and that allows me accept the fact that the shuffle is best for AE now.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby decafan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:03 pm

Marlow wrote:
And no one said it did. We're talking about the HJ, where it's everything. If he's stronger, that implies more muscle mass (though it could also easily be improved technique). We're asking the question: is his SP PR due to more muscle mass? The fact that he's still using the shuffle leads one to believe it's not improved technique.


Marlow, when Ashton took on the shuffle, it was brand new to him and he set major PR's from day one. Your statement seems to ignore the fact that his shuffle technique also had a lot of room for improvement. As he refines his new technique, his marks improve. Pretty obvious stuff, really. BTW, he hasn't gained any mass, so you can relax about his HJ.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby unclezadok » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:56 am

olorin wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?

I would imagine that if Eaton is bigger it will effect mainly his 1,500. For example, both Dvorak and Clay were much better in the 1,500 in the early twenties compared to their late twenties when they reach their peak. So he may lose up to 60 points (~10 second) on his 1,500 in exchange for (at least) 360 points gain on this throwing events.


On the other hand, others, such as Bruce Jenner and Chris Huffins, ran their fastest 1500s when they were at their "biggest."
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Marlow » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:03 am

decafan wrote:Marlow, when Ashton took on the shuffle, it was brand new to him and he set major PR's from day one. Your statement seems to ignore the fact that his shuffle technique also had a lot of room for improvement. As he refines his new technique, his marks improve. Pretty obvious stuff, really. BTW, he hasn't gained any mass, so you can relax about his HJ.

I have already acknowledged that the Shuffle is obviously the best for him right now, but shouldn't rule out a future move to the glide or spin. The cognate is the long jumper who improves rapidly with the Sail technique, then learns the Hang, which may even be a step backward before it is mastered, but then eventually ends up with the Hitchkick, which eventually produces the final PR.
I have a girl TJer who started with the single-arm technique, then added a double-arm in the second phase, but now double-arms all 3 phases and is going much farther because of it.
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Fortius19 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:34 pm

olorin wrote:Updated after the PB in the SP (38 points improvement)

Year, sum points based on PBs, SB in decathlon, number of events that he broke PB,and events that Eaton improved by more than 40 points
2008 - 8164....(8122)
2009 - 8573....(8241)......9......LJ, HJ, JT
2010 - 8789....(8457)......7......LJ, 110h,
2011 - 9115....(8729)......7......SP, HJ, DT, JT
2012 - 9368....(9039)......8......LJ, PV, JT
2013 - 9477*...(xxxx)......2......JT

* add six points for the two windy marks to get the official 9483, now less than 100 points from O'Brien "WR".


Fantastic stats! Thanks for the yearly SB in Deca in ().

By year, his differential has been;
2008: 42
2009: 332
2010: 332
2011: 386
2012: 329

Looks pretty darn consistent to me.

Using the mode of 332 gives him 9145 this year! :)
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:52 pm

How many decas is he likely to do this year? USATF, gotzis, and worlds? Anything else?
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:28 pm

Dave wrote:How many decas is he likely to do this year? USATF, gotzis, and worlds? Anything else?


That should be it and I don't see him going all out in Des Moines when an 8200 (or even less for AE since he already has his A) should be enough to make the team. I like that he really only has to peak once this year as does Trey. I'm wondering if we have anyone else who can achieve an A standard (8200)? If Clay is healthy he can and maybe Beach, though he still needs to find almost 200 points as well as be fit enough to come off an NCAA effort two weeks earlier. Lazas or Nixon outside shots. Anyone know anything about Morrison's status?
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:07 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
Dave wrote:How many decas is he likely to do this year? USATF, gotzis, and worlds? Anything else?


That should be it and I don't see him going all out in Des Moines when an 8200 (or even less for AE since he already has his A) should be enough to make the team. I like that he really only has to peak once this year as does Trey....


Would you expect him to go all out for either Gotzis or Worlds? Given that winning is more important at WC and for him, that means showing up in reasonable condition. Is he likely to take a shot at the WR at Gotzis where the stakes are perhaps lower than the other two competitions?
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby olorin » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:36 pm

unclezadok wrote:
olorin wrote:
Dave wrote:Is he bigger? Will this hurt his HJ?

I would imagine that if Eaton is bigger it will effect mainly his 1,500. For example, both Dvorak and Clay were much better in the 1,500 in the early twenties compared to their late twenties when they reach their peak. So he may lose up to 60 points (~10 second) on his 1,500 in exchange for (at least) 360 points gain on this throwing events.


On the other hand, others, such as Bruce Jenner and Chris Huffins, ran their fastest 1500s when they were at their "biggest."

The results in the 1500 (unlike other events in the decathlon) are related both to ability and motivation. Often decathlete will not give their absolute best in the 1500 since they do not want to punish themselves if there is nothing to gain like a medal or a record. Huffins is such a case as his PB in the 1500 was achieved in order to secure his bronze medal. If I remember correctly he even stated in an interview that he always knew that he can run a fast 1500 in he needed one. Beside this mark his best was from 1993 when he was 23.
Bruce Jenner was always a very good 1500. He ran sub 4:20 back in 1972 and broke his PB in the greatest event of his life. He retire when he was 25 so I am not sure he is the best example
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:19 pm

Dave wrote:
Would you expect him to go all out for either Gotzis or Worlds? Given that winning is more important at WC and for him, that means showing up in reasonable condition. Is he likely to take a shot at the WR at Gotzis where the stakes are perhaps lower than the other two competitions?


I don't think anything is as important as the Worlds this year and I wouldn't necessarily expect him to peak more than once this season, but who knows what sort of Nike contractual incentives are out there for World Records? All things being equal, the prudent thing would be to point towards Moscow and take it easy getting there. I don't really think Des Moines is going to offer any kind of mentally stimulating challenge beyond getting through the 10 events with average (for AE) marks. Excepting if Clay chooses to compete, none of the other competitors are within 900 points of AE (and that's assuming Mike Morrison resurfaces).
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Re: Eaton 66.64 (218'8") Javelin in San Luis Obispo

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:20 pm

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