Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?


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Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby 18.99s » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:01 am

Yeah, it's yet another thread about should _____ move up to the 400m or 800m.

But in his case, it's not such a crazy idea.

  • He's chronically injured in the 100, and got injured about half the time he's run a 200.
  • Others have successfully switched to the 400 after being injury-prone in the shorter sprints.
  • He has a 45.94 PB based on 100m training.
  • Blake and Bolt aren't going anywhere before he retires, and other youngsters in Jamaica are getting faster and faster in the 100m ... if he's going to keep competing in 2015 - 2017, he may have a better chance of making the Jamaican team in the 400m than the 100m.
  • He has the archetypical height and build of a top 400m sprinter (of course, some like Santos are showing that you don't need that height and build).
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:29 am

This is the funniest thing I have read all day.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby gh » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:38 am

The obvious answer is that yes he should, but not until Jeremy Wariner moves up to the 800, clearing a lane for him.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby kuha » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:49 am

gh wrote:The obvious answer is that yes he should, but not until Jeremy Wariner moves up to the 800, clearing a lane for him.


It's all musical chairs. To make room for Wariner, Symmonds needs to move to the 1500 for good; pushing Matt Centrowitz to the 5000; pushing Bernie L to the 10,000; pushing Rupp to the marathon; pushing Ryan Hall to a HJ/100 double; which starts a new cascade of event hopping.

What a nightmare! It's exactly like the butterfly wing in Brazil ending up causing a meteor strike over Russia.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby 79. » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:05 pm

kuha wrote:
gh wrote:The obvious answer is that yes he should, but not until Jeremy Wariner moves up to the 800, clearing a lane for him.


It's all musical chairs. To make room for Wariner, Symmonds needs to move to the 1500 for good; pushing Matt Centrowitz to the 5000; pushing Bernie L to the 10,000; pushing Rupp to the marathon; pushing Ryan Hall to a HJ/100 double; which starts a new cascade of event hopping.

What a nightmare! It's exactly like the butterfly wing in Brazil ending up causing a meteor strike over Russia.


Thank you Kuha for your very funny post about athletic musical chairs!!!! :wink:
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby ATK » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:08 pm

18.99s wrote:
  • Others have successfully switched to the 400 after being injury-prone in the shorter sprints.

Can you provide some examples of this in the 21'st century?
Note, I would consider successfully, in Powells case at least, medal winning considering what he has already achieved in the short sprints.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby shivfan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:27 am

Asafa is very ordinary over the 200m, so I can't imagine him moving up to the 400m....
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby mump boy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:58 am

I'd suggest he learns to run further than 95m first
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby booond » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:42 pm

I did a double take when I saw this. As to Powell having the body type for a 400-meter man I'm not sure which ones you've been watching but even the bigger guys - Merritt, Taylor - are likely 15 pounds lighter at the same height. Powell has the body type of a short sprinter and even there he has always looked like he could lose a few pounds.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Daisy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:59 pm

kuha wrote:pushing Ryan Hall to a HJ/100 double

It all made sense until this. So you don't think the SP/DT double is a better fit?
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Letlôtse » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:29 am

Apparently he's injured and won't be running in the Australian handicap thingy.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby kamikaze7 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:39 pm

With Jamaica close to qualifying for the world cup, Asafa should switch to soccer. He is suited to it because he excels when he can blend into the crowd and nothing is at stake
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby jamboy » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:32 am

gh wrote:The obvious answer is that yes he should, but not until Jeremy Wariner moves up to the 800, clearing a lane for him.


Jeremy has lost his step in the 400m for a few years now. I don't ever expect to see the "old Jeremy" again.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby jamboy » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:34 am

shivfan wrote:Asafa is very ordinary over the 200m, so I can't imagine him moving up to the 400m....



Asafa has run 19.90 in the 200m in 2006 and he looked "easy" then. He has said repeatedly he doesn't like anything over 100m.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:22 am

shivfan wrote:Asafa is very ordinary over the 200m, so I can't imagine him moving up to the 400m....


The notion of Asafa moving up to the 400 seems about as likely as Lauryn Williams doing so, except that Williams would be more amenable to doing the work, whereas AP does not have the appetite for that end of the sprint spectrum. [If you are going from top world-class winner to very good in the last 20 meters of the 100, how in the world is the next 300m going to improve your chances?]
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:21 pm

jamboy wrote:
gh wrote:The obvious answer is that yes he should, but not until Jeremy Wariner moves up to the 800, clearing a lane for him.


Jeremy has lost his step in the 400m for a few years now. I don't ever expect to see the "old Jeremy" again.

Sadly, I agree.. when Jeremy was in his prime it was a running "joke" on here about him moving up to the 800.. he is still very "useful" at 400 m but it is no longer a joke.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Dave » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:12 pm

How come no one ever suggests that a sprinter become a long jumper or a pole vaulter?
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby berkeley » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:00 pm

18.99s wrote:[*]Others have successfully switched to the 400 after being injury-prone in the shorter sprints.

Who ? I can think of very few 100 men who have even tried seriously. The only outstanding success I can think of is Quincy Watts, and he wasn't in AP's league at 100, nor anywhere near as old. Obadele Thompson bruited a move up, be didn't make much of an impression. Of course 200 specialists such as Tommie Smith, Michael Johnson and Xavier Carter have done well at 400 ...
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby mal » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:02 am

Conor Dary wrote:This is the funniest thing I have read all day.


This :mrgreen:
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:07 am

If I were a college coach (Heaven help my team!! :P ), and had 8 guys who could run 46 or faster in the 400, I'd take the slower 4.....who might never, or rarely.....make my first squad, and say to them...

"Hey, guys! You wanna compete every week, and score us some points?? Well, how's about you move over to the 400H....or even the 800....and see what happens??"

Same goes for a nation with an over-abundant supply of 100 and 200 guys! Move the "back of the pack" guys to a different event!!

Try it, Mr Powell, you might like it!! :D
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby jjimbojames » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:38 am

aaronk wrote:If I were a college coach (Heaven help my team!! :P ), and had 8 guys who could run 46 or faster in the 400, I'd take the slower 4.....who might never, or rarely.....make my first squad, and say to them...

"Hey, guys! You wanna compete every week, and score us some points?? Well, how's about you move over to the 400H....or even the 800....and see what happens??"

Same goes for a nation with an over-abundant supply of 100 and 200 guys! Move the "back of the pack" guys to a different event!!

Try it, Mr Powell, you might like it!! :D

I agree with the sentiment, but a big difference between college athletes and someone who's been at the top level for 8 years or more. Maybe he could try jumping instead - more technical than physical changes to his training and open spots on the team...?
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby mal » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:49 pm

400 m is a state of mind. No one loves them. Unless you feel that the pain you inflict on yourself is worth it, and must be magnified in your competitors.

Or if you are desperate. I was a jumper who became a 400 m man after a motor cycle accident. It was a relief when my career finally ended. I'd have rather been a jumper.

AP will never run a 400m with any sincerity, even if his family members were being held captive.

As soon as he stops being invited to the top heat of the 100m he will go the way of retirement. He's not a fighter.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:28 pm

mal wrote:

AP will never run a 400m with any sincerity, even if his family members were being held captive.


Very well said. Those were my thoughts, but you have captured the true essence of AP and the 400.

The guy is a head case in the 100 when he actually has to race someone. With 44+ seconds to think of what might go wrong the odds of success are very small indeed.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:07 pm

What is it with this bizarre denigration of Asafa Powell?
Check the man's record. He's been one of the great sprinters of this era. Yes, he has misfired in the Olympics for a variety of reasons but he has medals from the WC's.

Another thing. What's this obsession with the 400? If you don't run the 400 you are gutless????
Astonishing stuff.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Daisy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:33 pm

Per Andersen wrote:What's this obsession with the 400? If you don't run the 400 you are gutless????

Unless you run the 400, then you're gutless for not trying the 800.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:36 am

Per Andersen wrote:What is it with this bizarre denigration of Asafa Powell?
Check the man's record. He's been one of the great sprinters of this era. Yes, he has misfired in the Olympics for a variety of reasons but he has medals from the WC's.

Another thing. What's this obsession with the 400? If you don't run the 400 you are gutless????
Astonishing stuff.


I think you protest too much. AP is a fine athlete. I just don't think he would do well at the 400.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby scottmitchell74 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:42 am

I agree strongly with the sentiment that Powell isn't tough enough for the 400. If you watched that documentary from last year, he as much as says it. He hates training, but he loves being rich and what the 100 has done for him financially. I can't imagine a universe where Powell would put the work in to be a top-flight 400m guy.

Best raw sprinting talent prior to Bolt, perhaps, but he's never had IT upstairs.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:35 am

aaronk wrote:If I were a college coach (Heaven help my team!! :P ), and had 8 guys who could run 46 or faster in the 400, I'd take the slower 4.....who might never, or rarely.....make my first squad, and say to them...

"Hey, guys! You wanna compete every week, and score us some points?? Well, how's about you move over to the 400H....or even the 800....and see what happens??"

Same goes for a nation with an over-abundant supply of 100 and 200 guys! Move the "back of the pack" guys to a different event!!

Try it, Mr Powell, you might like it!! :D


The problem is that some athletes just can't hurdle and look worse. Though this might be effective at college level.
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Re: Should Asafa Powell move up to the 400m?

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:37 am

Per Andersen wrote:What is it with this bizarre denigration of Asafa Powell?
Check the man's record. He's been one of the great sprinters of this era. Yes, he has misfired in the Olympics for a variety of reasons but he has medals from the WC's.

Another thing. What's this obsession with the 400? If you don't run the 400 you are gutless????
Astonishing stuff.


The 400m is the most pure tests of a track athlete in my opinion.
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