What ever happened to Dennis Carr?


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What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby lovetorun » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:03 pm

In October , 1961 I ran against Dennis Carr in a high school cross-country race...and I led all the way (silly 1.8 mile distance back then) until the final 200 meters when he easily kicked past me.

He then went on to run a 4:08.7 mile, graduate to USC, place second to Wade Bell in the 1967 NCAA 800m and then kind of disappeared...I lost track of him.

Anyone know what happened? With his speed (saw him run a 22.1 220 in H.S.) and nice flowing stride I thought Carr could have gone well under 4:00.0 in the mile.
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Postby Double R Bar » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:34 am

I'm not positive, but I think Dennis Carr made an appearance at the California state high school championships a few years ago. I believe he was presenting some awards at that meet. There sure were some great high school runners from Whittier/La Habra in the early 1960's. Whittier is in Los Angeles County while La Habra is in Orange County.
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Postby lovetorun » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:38 pm

Yes, especially La Habra under Coach Wilson...they won cross-country virtually every year in their league and Bruce Bess was the best runner to come out of all those good runners that ran for Coach Wilson.
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Postby Double R Bar » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:44 pm

Is Coach Wilson still alive? Did he coach at La Habra High?
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Postby lovetorun » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:02 pm

Don't know if Coach Wilson is still alive..but, yes, he coached at La Habra High School and they won the league cross-country 7 out of the 10 years in the 1960's.
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Postby Double R Bar » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:21 pm

I did some research and found out Willie Wilson died of cancer several years ago. I understand when Bruce Bess graduated from La Habra High in 1962, Coach Wilson went with him to USC as the distance coach.

I still don't know where Dennis Carr is today. I'm working on it. Where did you go to high school when you ran cross country against him?
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Postby lovetorun » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:32 pm

He was at Lowell H.S. and I ran at Tustin High School. Lowell H. S. no longer exists....the Fullerton School District closed it and their students then went to LaHabra or Fullerton.
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Postby jhc68 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:36 pm

Yikes, no more Lowell HS? Also the home of the great multi-eventer and high jumper, Greg Heet. Heet beat me on misses in the Tustin-Lowell dual meet when we both cleared 5' 11 3/4" as 10 graders. Then he thumped me badly for the next two years!

You ran in that meet didn't you lovestorun?
Good to hear from you, LC!
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Postby Double R Bar » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:25 am

Was Lowell High School in La Habra? I wonder what they did with the school after it closed.
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Postby lovetorun » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:18 pm

When I googled Dennis Carr's Lowell H. S. the source said Whittier ...but I always thought it was in the La Habra/Fullerton area.
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Postby Double R Bar » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:54 pm

Yes, I think Whittier is correct. Whittier use to have Sierra High (before it closed). Remember Richard Joyce? He went to Sierra High in Whittier. Whittier High School had a 440 man who won the state championship. Do you remember him? I think the city of Whittier has a few other high schools: California High, La Serna High, and maybe more.
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Postby dj » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:57 am

Double R Bar wrote:Yes, I think Whittier is correct. Whittier use to have Sierra High (before it closed). Remember Richard Joyce? He went to Sierra High in Whittier. Whittier High School had a 440 man who won the state championship. Do you remember him? I think the city of Whittier has a few other high schools: California High, La Serna High, and maybe more.


Mike Newton was a 440 runner in about '69 or '70. I think there was another one, ___ Sims?
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Postby Double R Bar » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:44 am

Yes, Mike Newton won the California State Meet in 1967 (440) and Bill Sims was second in 1969 (440). Both went to Whittier High. Of course you know which former First Lady taught at Whittier High.
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Postby dj » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:06 am

Double R Bar wrote:Yes, Mike Newton won the California State Meet in 1967 (440) and Bill Sims was second in 1969 (440). Both went to Whittier High. Of course you know which former First Lady taught at Whittier High.


One would guess Pat Nixon.
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Postby Double R Bar » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:47 am

One would be correct. She was Pat Ryan at Whittier High and taught typing there.
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Postby Double R Bar » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:42 am

I found some more Dennis Carr information. I believe Carr started his freshman year at La Habra High School. Lowell High opened in the 1961 - 1962 school year, which would have been Carr's junior year. Because of the Lowell High attendance area, Carr moved to Lowell High from La Habra High School. I have heard stories from runners who knew him in high school that he was a very friendly and down-to-earth type of guy. I still don't know where he is today. To be continued.
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Postby oneill » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:32 am

Well, you might try Zabasearch. There are at least three (3) Dennis Carrs listed in Southern California (assuming that he stayed there) with birth-years in the correct range.
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Postby Double R Bar » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:16 am

Thanks. I'll see what I can find.
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Postby lovetorun » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:47 am

Double R Bar wrote:I found some more Dennis Carr information. I believe Carr started his freshman year at La Habra High School. Lowell High opened in the 1961 - 1962 school year, which would have been Carr's junior year. Because of the Lowell High attendance area, Carr moved to Lowell High from La Habra High School. I have heard stories from runners who knew him in high school that he was a very friendly and down-to-earth type of guy. I still don't know where he is today. To be continued.


Thanks Double R Bar....I remember now that he did start at La Habra and then go to Lowell when it opened...so he and Bruce Bess were teammates for one year .

And, yes, I can add my input that Dennis is a nice guy...after he out kicked me in the cc race he complimented me on the hard pace I set and said he was "lucky" to beat me.
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Postby tc » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:13 pm

This thread inspired a look at my "souvenir" program from the first HS meet I ever attended: the 1961 Southern Section Finals at Chaffey (Ontario CA) HS. There were a few notable events that day. Immediately following one of them, a 20.2 National Record 220, I see that Dennis Carr (a La Habra sophomore) won the Class C (younger, smaller than "varsity" athletes) 1320 in 3:11.0, easily beating a kid who had set a section record of 3:10.5 the previous week. Among Carr's other victims was future Olympian Tracy Smith (Arcadia HS), fourth in 3:14.7. About 10 minutes later, junior Bruce Bess won the Class A (varsity) mile in 4:15.1, a section record.

The following year, Carr (now at Lowell) and Bess ran in separate cross country divisions in the championship meets. Bess won the section mile title again (Carr was third just behind yet another future Olympian, Bob Day), but at the State Meet, seeded into separate races, Carr was in total control.

Lowell HS was located in La Habra.
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Postby Double R Bar » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:02 pm

I checked on Lowell High School and found out it was located in Whittier. A health services college now owns the property. Haven't found Dennis Carr yet.
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Postby tc » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:52 am

I've no idea where municipal or unincorporated area boundaries (or zip codes) have been drawn or redrawn over the years, but at least some of these folks seem to have thought that their school was in La Habra.

http://www.e-yearbook.com/Lowell_High_S ... n_Yearbook

http://www.alumni.net/North_America/Uni ... gh_School/

Lowell was in the Fullerton School District, a different county (Orange) than the Whittier School District (L.A.), and its students originated at (and were later absorbed by) La Habra schools. No doubt the land is today included in Whittier's postal codes (and perhaps boundaries), but in 1961-70?
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Postby Double R Bar » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:58 pm

You may be correct. I found the Whittier reference on Wikipedia. Of course they are not always right.
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Postby lovetorun » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:09 pm

Yes, I saw the Whittier reference also, but always thought it (Lowell H.S.) was in La Habra...

BTW, if, by any chance, Dennis Carr or anyone who knows him today reads this, I'd like to hear what Dennis is doing these days.
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Postby Double R Bar » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:09 am

I double-checked city lines and found out that Lowell High School was in Whittier's city limits. It was not a part of the Whittier school system even though it was (and still is) in Whittier.
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Postby Gleason » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:42 pm

Double R Bar wrote:Is Coach Wilson still alive? Did he coach at La Habra High?


I'm sorry to write that IF my memory is correct, Coach Wilson died from Cancer when I was working at T&FN--probably in the Spring of 1967.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby jthelin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:52 am

I am new to the T&F online blog -- but am old to following and participating in track and cross country in the Whittier and Southern Section CIF. Are any of you still discussing Richard Joyce and other great runners of that area and era? Richard Joyce and I went to elementary and high school together -- Sierra HS in Whittier. He was an excellent student -- majored in engineering at USC. His father was a high school teacher and his family always emphasized academics. Richard's older brother,Gordon, was a superb football player and hurdler at California HS in Whittier. It's hard to explain to those in other regions of the country how incredible track and field was in Southern California high schools and colleges of the 1960s. Hope this topic is still of interest, even though I am long gone from California.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby DoubleRBar » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:20 pm

We haven't been discussing Richard Joyce lately, however I do remember how good he was. You are right about track and field in Southern California during the 1960's. What year did you graduate from Sierra High School? Did you know a Lew Jones there? I believe he must have graduated around 1963. He was also a good half miler, but of course not as fast as Joyce. Where is Joyce today?

I still haven't found Dennis Carr, but I'm not giving up yet.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby runforlife » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:17 pm

DoubleRBar wrote: still haven't found Dennis Carr, but I'm not giving up yet.

I have nothing to add about DC just that the name brings back memories. I grew up and live in the eastern midwest. When I first became interested in T&F I'd go to the HS library and read some scholastic magizine that listed the top HS track times in the country.
At the top was Dennis Carr! As a young teenager I was in awe of his times. It is one of those names I will never forget that gave me a lifetime entrance into the world of track.
Yes, I also am interested in his where abouts.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby jthelin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:01 am

Jthelin replying to good post from loveto run

Why, yes, I know Lewis Jones very well. He was Sierra HS Class of 1963 -- classmate and good friends with my brother. Lewis was, indeed, a solid cross country runner and half miler. He went to nearby Whittier College where, in his senior year, joined by twin brothers (the Gove brothers, who graduated from Whittier's California HS in 1967) won, I believe, the NAIA distance relay. Lewis personified the work ethic of studies and training that made this era and area special in the 1960s. By the way (and I am long departed from LA and Whittier) a few years back Lewis tells me that there was a wonderful reunion of about75 Sierra HS track student athletes to honor long time wonderful coach Robert Dugard at coach Dugard's memorial service.

Any comments on last Sunday's big New York Times article about San Diego's class of 1966 sub 4 minute miler Tim Danielson? I actually was put off by the story because it devoted so much story to one individual's personal problems -- losing sight of track and field, esp the incredible talent of CIF Southern Section and CIF San Diego in the mid and late 1960s.

Thanks for responding. Hope the conversation grows and continues
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby jthelin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:04 am

apology to DoubeRBar -- I mistakenly did not address you in my post a few minutes ago about Lewis Jones and Sierra HS. Please continue the discussion. I have about forty years of pent up recollections, stories about CIF SS track of the late 1950s and 1960s and, later, UC Berkeley track and cross country of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby no one » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:54 am

Coupla yrs ago Carl Trentadue was trying to locate Dennis in hopes of seeing him at ss/cal RR reunion I think /not sure ... But believe he located in Midwest they were' of course, teammates at USC. I'll have to ask Carl (Jesse) if that's correct
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby lovetorun » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:08 pm

Read these latest responses to my original post re: Dennis Carr. I hope someone will be able to report an update on Dennis.

I think he was a great talent who never reached his potential...like most of us! At USC he did some good racing in the 800m, but I wish he would have concentrated on the 1500m/mile and kept competing for a few years. He never ran a sub 4 mile, but had the talent IMHO to run in the low 3:50's.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby G.Ahearn » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:44 pm

Dennis Carr, where are you??
I agree regarding T&F in So Cal in the '60s. Magical times.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby gh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:17 pm

I think everybody looks back on their HS days as magical times (relatively speaking). Tis the nature of the beast.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby no one » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:43 am

Garry, et al, - except SoCal has some measure of an edge on other regions/areas: consider the following

100: Forrest Beatty - 9.4*, John James, 9.4^, John House 9.2w and even two others in the same league - Ralph Turner and another I can, Richard Stebbins 9.4w, Harold Busby 9.4w, Willie White 9.5,

200: Forrest Beatty, 20.2, John House 20.4w, ? Underwood 20.5, ? Logue 20.6, Hubie Watson, 20.7, Richard Stebbins 20.x, Harold Busby 20.5, Ralph Wise 20.6

400: Ulis Williams 46.1*

880: Dennis Carr, 1:49.2n, Richard Joyce 1:48.8*

Mile: Tim Danielson, 3:59, Dennis Carr, 4:087*, Carl Trentadue, 4:08.5, Mike Solomon, 4:09, Armando Valencia. 4:07, Story: 4:11, T Smith, 4:12, Bess, 4:13

120 HH: Earl McCullough 13.7*, Bruce Gridley 13.7, Roger Moody 13.8, Steve Caminiti 13.7*

180 LH: Earl 18.1*, Steve Caminiti 18.1*, Tom Hester 18.3, Manny Murrell, 18.2w,

HJ: Ref Brown 7'3"

LJ: Jerry Proctor 26' , Bonds 25'3", Willie Crawford 25' 1 1/2"

PV: Paul Wilson 16' 6 3/4*, Bob Steinhoff 16' 1" (same school), Paul Heglar 16' 3 "

SP: Carl Hubbell 67' 9 3/4", Dave Murphy 67' 2"

plus many others at or very near to the above . Add the 4x100 or 4x200 and ...

please excuse 'punctuation' as I am too lazy to format uniformly\\I think part of the appeal was the quality of the performances as well as the sheer number in some events, that were impressive. The CIF finals almost never disappointed
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby no one » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:46 am

p.s. - all of those marks were up to '67
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby dj » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:15 am

no one wrote:p.s. - all of those marks were up to '67


Most of those marks were through '67.

Rey Brown's 7-3 was at the Oly Trials in mid-September '68.
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby no one » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:49 am

right - most. side note - Compton had another 6' 11 3/4 guy and a 6' 6 3/4"or 8 same yr as Reynaldo Sr yr. ... if memory serves

lots of guys @ 1:51.x, 9:10y,

50s in CIF-SS wasn't too shabby either

of course (per Hill) you add that to the adolescent hormones /adrenaline and bibbidi bobbodi boo ... magic
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Re: What ever happened to Dennis Carr?

Postby G.Ahearn » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:16 pm

GH-- maybe true, but not every high school kid--then or now-- could go to a "local" track meet and watch and collect autographs from Jim Ryun and Ron Clarke. Or go to a summer all-commers meet and watch Bob Seagren run an 880.
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