WXC predictions


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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Master Po » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:09 am

update:
USA team -- silver medal
True 6
Derrick 10
Vail 17
Mack 19

(I'm sure someone will be able to "who cares?" this result, but in the meantime -- congratulations!)
:)

I think it's the case that these finishes mean True & Derrick are considered to have the WC "A" standard for 10km. (Maybe they did anyway, but they do now.) Also the case for Neely Spence.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Jnathletics » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:32 am

nevetsllim wrote:But JN, the rules are pretty confusing!

Good Cross Country isn't suppose to be easy. :lol:

I was hoping to have my team done earlier but the startlist came out so late. Have to do a better job of getting my team and additional info up sooner. Have to admit I'm distracted by the big Basketball tournament we have in the USA. :oops:
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:37 am

The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!

Looking at the JR Women's results, I see some familiar names (to US fans!):

The winner, Faith Kipyegon, of course won the 1500 at WJC last year.
Amy Eloise-Neale ran for GB, but ran for a WA state HS, and finished 21st.
Bobby Clay just recently became known to us as GB's answer to Mary Cain!
She ended in 27th.
Two US high schoolers, Erin Finn and Samantha Nadel, ended in 34th and 44th.

But how much better would the lady JR's have done if Sarah Baxter and Mary Cain had been on the team?

Re Master Po's comment that True, Derrick, and Spence might have met the WC "A" standard for 10K:
Are CC times allowed for meeting track standards?
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Jnathletics » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:40 am

Nevets you easily won the mens

Nevets men's total 269
JN's men's total 396

Not totally official as I haven't seen if officially 4th & 5th team place, I used ERI 4th - 75; UGA 5th 76 from the indidual results. Don't know if any team DNF'ed, which would take out thier individuals from the scoring.

Your scores as follows
nevetsllim wrote:
My predictions

Men
Kirui 15
Merga 2
Birmingham 8
Levins 41
Mehdin 3
Kipsiro 4
Mack 19 = 92
Marwa (ALT)

1 ETH 17 actual 1-38 (+21)
2 KEN 30 actual 3-54 (+1+24)
3 UGA 60 actual 5-76 (+2+16)
7 USA 160 actual 2-52 (+5+108)

= 92 from individual score +8 team placing +169 team score = 269
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Master Po » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:54 am

aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!

Looking at the JR Women's results, I see some familiar names (to US fans!):

The winner, Faith Kipyegon, of course won the 1500 at WJC last year.
Amy Eloise-Neale ran for GB, but ran for a WA state HS, and finished 21st.
Bobby Clay just recently became known to us as GB's answer to Mary Cain!
She ended in 27th.
Two US high schoolers, Erin Finn and Samantha Nadel, ended in 34th and 44th.

But how much better would the lady JR's have done if Sarah Baxter and Mary Cain had been on the team?

Re Master Po's comment that True, Derrick, and Spence might have met the WC "A" standard for 10K:
Are CC times allowed for meeting track standards?


I believe this "A" standard criterion was put in place for this year's WC -- not times, but top-15 finish would count for 10km "A."

I also would like to respond to your suggestion that USA might have done better had they been able to send their best. I think this can always be said by most of the teams that don't win the gold. I'm very happy with the team that USA sent -- especially because these guys really wanted to contest this race, and so I am really happy with the silver that these guys earned. Same for the others.

A couple of other "age-group" compliments:
Bobby Clay (GBR), 27th, is one of only two Jr women with 1997 birth years (the other being Roseline Chepngetich, KEN, 7th). Really impressed with how these two fared in the Jr race, where a year or two of maturation and experience can make a huge difference.

Deena Kastor, 34th (5th USA finisher), age 40yr 1mo the oldest finisher in the women's Sr race. A couple of the French runners @ 38yo, but otherwise the entire field in its 20s, up to about age 30. Moreover, Kastor ran a 2:32 marathon a week ago. I really didn't believe she was even going to run this race today. Impressive performance. Glad to see her out there, especially considering her success in this event -- she knows how difficult it is, and what it means, and I would guess wanted to be out there one last time.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Jnathletics » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:00 am

You won the women's also, so nevets is the 2013 X-C prediction champ. The only category I won was the women's team, but no by much 61 to 75

Nevets women score 180
JN's 250

So totals
Nevets 449
JN's 646

nevetsllim wrote:
Women
Ayalew 2
Chebet 1
Eshete 4
Damen 37
Belete 17
Britton 14
Conley 30 = 105
Calvin (ALT)

1 ETH 20 actual 2-48 (+1+28)
2 KEN 35 actual 1-19 (+1+16)
3 BAH 50 actual 3-73 (0+23)
5 USA 85 actual 4-90 (+1+5) = +3 + 72


Total for women's Nevets = 105 from individual + 3 Team placing + 72 team scoring = 180
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby mcgato » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:14 am

It was nice of the IAAF to pick today during WXC to do system maintenance on their website. Good planning, as usual, IAAF.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:53 am

Master Po wrote: I would like to see it promoted and presented better, but it's a great event in any case.


The WCCC were promoted and presented very well. It was one of the highlights of the whole year. Then it became a dual meet and the result is what we have now.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:29 am

aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!

Looking at the JR Women's results, I see some familiar names (to US fans!):

The winner, Faith Kipyegon, of course won the 1500 at WJC last year.
Amy Eloise-Neale ran for GB, but ran for a WA state HS, and finished 21st.
Bobby Clay just recently became known to us as GB's answer to Mary Cain!
She ended in 27th.
Two US high schoolers, Erin Finn and Samantha Nadel, ended in 34th and 44th.

But how much better would the lady JR's have done if Sarah Baxter and Mary Cain had been on the team?

Re Master Po's comment that True, Derrick, and Spence might have met the WC "A" standard for 10K:
Are CC times allowed for meeting track standards?

Yeah, but what if Kenya brought Geoffrey Mutai, Bidan Karoki and the like?

Or if Ethiopia brought Gebre Gebremariam, the brothers Bekele, and Hagos Gebrhiwet competed in the senior race?

How about Eritrea bringing Tadese?
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:32 am

aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!


Why would the US be the only country permitted to substitute?
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Sprints_and_XC » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:35 am

I posted this in wrong forum b4

if you have a British ip address

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... s_Country/

Will be available in by 10pm UK time March 24th
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:10 am

Here is my prediction. I predict the WCCC will soon be a thing of the past. It had a nice run, but if interest is now rock bottom, what is the point? Is there even a locale for 2 years from now?
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:36 am

Guiyang China.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:36 am

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!


Why would the US be the only country permitted to substitute?


Wasn't talking about substitution.
Was talking about those 3 (and other top runners, male and female) not even TRYING to make the team in the first place!!
Same happens at the World Indoors and some of the "lesser" championships, like the Pan Ams.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:37 am

JumboElliott wrote:Guiyang China.


Really? Mars will be next.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:41 am

It's a bigger city than Daegu. I didn't see anyone saying Daegu wasn't a big enough city to host a World Championship.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:00 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!


Why would the US be the only country permitted to substitute?


Wasn't talking about substitution.
Was talking about those 3 (and other top runners, male and female) not even TRYING to make the team in the first place!!
Same happens at the World Indoors and some of the "lesser" championships, like the Pan Ams.


....and has been pointed out elsewhere...how about if Kenya loads up as well?
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby tandfman » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:41 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!

Why would the US be the only country permitted to substitute?

Wasn't talking about substitution.
Was talking about those 3 (and other top runners, male and female) not even TRYING to make the team in the first place!!

Never mind those who didn't try. Ritz & Teg were second and third in the US XC Championships. Suppose THEY had decided to be part of the team that they qualified for. That sure could have meant a US win in Poland.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby TR » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:49 pm

aaronk wrote:The US did amazing in the Men's SR race.
But can't help but wonder if we would've WON with guys like Rupp, Lagat, and Lomong on the team!

Looking at the JR Women's results, I see some familiar names (to US fans!):

The winner, Faith Kipyegon, of course won the 1500 at WJC last year.
Amy Eloise-Neale ran for GB, but ran for a WA state HS, and finished 21st.
Bobby Clay just recently became known to us as GB's answer to Mary Cain!
She ended in 27th.
Two US high schoolers, Erin Finn and Samantha Nadel, ended in 34th and 44th.

But how much better would the lady JR's have done if Sarah Baxter and Mary Cain had been on the team?

Re Master Po's comment that True, Derrick, and Spence might have met the WC "A" standard for 10K:
Are CC times allowed for meeting track standards?


Samantha Nadel is at Georgetown.
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Re: WXC predictions

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:58 pm

tandfman wrote:
Never mind those who didn't try. Ritz & Teg were second and third in the US XC Championships. Suppose THEY had decided to be part of the team that they qualified for. That sure could have meant a US win in Poland.


If we can't even get our guys to compete, what is the point? Now it will be in China, which doesn't even have a men's team. And where next? Venus!

The WCCC had its day.

So the USA had won today. So what? Would anyone care? Certainly not the US media.

The Europeans all play soccer, the East Africans do marathons. And our best guys realize it doesn't mean much anymore. Which is a shame, since the meet really once meant something. I have good friends who got individual and team medals back in the 80's when it was important. But in its present state it is more of a sideshow.
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