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Postby FinlayZoom » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:33 am

First of all, not sure if this is in the right topic but anyway...

I've been looking in to a track and field scholarship in america however i know very little about it myself and i also don't know anyone who has done it before me.

I'm from Scotland and would be looking to study physiotherapy hopefully as well as participate in track and field at a college level.

Any information at all would be appreciated, some specific areas that i'm unsure about though are:

- How do you apply? or do you simple have to noticed?
- In a full scholarship, are all costs of education etc. covered?
- How do i know if a university offers a track and field scholarship?

I've been browsing the web for about a week now looking for info, but there's so much of it, it's very difficult to find the stuff you're looking for!

Thanks,

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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 18.99s » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:24 am

First let's get an idea of whether you're eligible academically and athletically.

What are your events and best performances?
Are you male or female?
Have you completed high school? If yes, have you already attended college for any amount of time since completing high school? If not, are you still in high school?
Have you taken the ACT or SAT?
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:39 am

Scholarships are very limited in T&F. Unless your marks match up well against top American high schoolers, you don't have a legitimate chance. Many athletes competing collegiately are on partial scholarships (as little as just books) or, if the coach is lucky, the athletes are eligible for full academic scholarships and it doesn't cost the coach a scholarship (or a partial). Coaches also run into situations where athletes are on scholarships from other sports (football, basketball) which have more scholarships to offer. Of course, there are combinations involving partial scholarships in academics, T&F and other sports. One reason you can't find much info online is that the awarding of scholarships is both complex and secretive (meaning athletes aren't supposed to discuss their "deals" with other athletes, much like employees are urged not to discuss salaries).
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby batonless relay » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:01 am

18.99s wrote:First let's get an idea of whether you're eligible academically and athletically.

What are your events and best performances?
Are you male or female?
Have you completed high school? If yes, have you already attended college for any amount of time since completing high school? If not, are you still in high school?
Have you taken the ACT or SAT?

"18.99" you are being unnecessarily rude; he is only requesting information. Sex, or times are not necessary.
FinlayZoom wrote:Any information at all would be appreciated, some specific areas that i'm unsure about though are:

- How do you apply? or do you simple have to noticed? If you know which school(s) in which you are interested just contact the coach. The coach will let you know what is required athletic/academic-ally.
- In a full scholarship, are all costs of education etc. covered? Depends on the school and the NCAA division (I, II, Junior college). Typically "full" means tuition and room and board and books but sometimes all of those things may not be covered and some fees that are academic in nature are not.
- How do i know if a university offers a track and field scholarship? That can be difficult, but it will usually be determined by your performance level in your event. (eg. some schools might give an 11.7 girl a full scholarship while that might not qualify for a partial at another school. Some schools/coaches are very receptive to foreign athletes and some schools/coaches are not). Also, some conferences like the Ivy League (Harvard, Yale, etc.) don't offer athletics scholarships at all.

An example of the varying performance level is Derrick Atkins alma mater, Dickinson State. They routinely give scholarships to athletes from the caribbean who would not get scholarships to BIG 12, SEC, ACC or even Big East Schools. Coaches here know that it is easier to recruit a foreigner to go to Idaho than an American kid.


I've been browsing the web for about a week now looking for info, but there's so much of it, it's very difficult to find the stuff you're looking for!

Thanks,

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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 18.99s » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:15 am

batonless relay wrote:"18.99" you are being unnecessarily rude; he is only requesting information. Sex, or times are not necessary.

My questions are all very relevant to the if, how, and where of obtaining scholarships.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Marlow » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:30 am

bruce3404 wrote:Scholarships are very limited in T&F.

Make that VERY in all caps. Especially for foreigners who cost more than domestic products. You need to have the obvious potential to be an NCAA scorer (top 8) to have a good shot at a full ride.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:31 am

Is this you?

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/p ... eid=109636

If so I would stay in Scotland. Scholarships for male track athletes are pretty nonexistent over here. Aren't Scottish Universities free tuition for Scots?

By the way did you ever run against the Wightman Twins? They went to Fettes and are about a year older.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:53 am

Get the Track and Field News issues that cover Where are They Going. It has a list of new/returning etc. athletes by school, grouped by conference. The is also the annual high school listing of top 3-5 by event with their top marks.

The high school forums like DyeStat and MileSplit have listings of who has accepted at what schools and what their marks are.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Marlow » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:12 pm

Here's FSU's standards:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/fsu ... ndards.pdf

A little further down the food chain, here's UNF's:

http://unfospreys.com/documents/2012/10 ... df?id=5074
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:14 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Is this you?

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/p ... eid=109636

If so I would stay in Scotland. Scholarships for male track athletes are pretty nonexistent over here. Aren't Scottish Universities free tuition for Scots?

By the way did you ever run against the Wightman Twins? They went to Fettes and are about a year older.


Nice catch, Conor. While the 800 mark is a respectable mark, it would need to be about 7-8 seconds faster for any sort of serious consideration. If you have your heart set on running at a US university and you feel you can improve to 1:50 or better, your best bet is to walk on (no scholarship) and hope to be upgraded. That's a long shot, but at this point your only shot unless you can qualify academically.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Marlow » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:21 pm

Not to be dimissive, but an 1:58 won't raise any eyebrows, even in my one city. 1:54 will get some attention, but even that doesn't guarantee a full-ride at 'lesser' colleges.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby FinlayZoom » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:42 pm

Thanks for all the info! Definitely opened my eyes to the situation!!

bruce3404 wrote:Scholarships are very limited in T&F. Unless your marks match up well against top American high schoolers, you don't have a legitimate chance. Many athletes competing collegiately are on partial scholarships (as little as just books) or, if the coach is lucky, the athletes are eligible for full academic scholarships and it doesn't cost the coach a scholarship (or a partial).


Thanks for this, I think I know someone who got a partial scholarship in football... I may look into this because even if I don't have the chance to achieve a full scholarship I would still be interested in studying I'm America.

Conor Dary wrote:Is this you?

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/p ... eid=109636

If so I would stay in Scotland. Scholarships for male track athletes are pretty nonexistent over here. Aren't Scottish Universities free tuition for Scots?

By the way did you ever run against the Wightman Twins? They went to Fettes and are about a year older.

Yep that's me. The reason that I've become interested in scholarships is because a few athletes that I know of have been offered track and field scholarships, so I jumped to the conclusion that they weren't too hard to com by, but this is clearly not true.
Yes, Scottish uni's are free.
I think I have raced one of them, pretty sure he ran a 1:55 in the Scottish schools champs. Would this be the right person?
Marlow wrote:Here's FSU's standards:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/fsu ... ndards.pdf


Wow! A lot faster than I expected! I thought I came across another one that said the standard was 1:52 - 1:58 for the 800. Maybe not.

Marlow wrote:Not to be dimissive, but an 1:58 won't raise any eyebrows, even in my one city. 1:54 will get some attention, but even that doesn't guarantee a full-ride.


I understand this and am aware of this. However, I am confident I will be able to get my 800 time to about 1:54 this season. In January I ran 1:59 off of no speed work so I am confident going into the track season. I'm also confident in getting my 1500m time down close to or under 4 minutes this year and my 400m close to or under 50 seconds.

18.99s wrote:First let's get an idea of whether you're eligible academically and athletically.

What are your events and best performances?
Are you male or female?
Have you completed high school? If yes, have you already attended college for any amount of time since completing high school? If not, are you still in high school?
Have you taken the ACT or SAT?

I'm male.
In my final year In high school, but if I was to go out to America I would not go out until 2014, ie I'd be taking a year out to work etc.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:56 pm

FinlayZoom wrote:

I am confident I will be able to get my 800 time to about 1:54 this season. In January I ran 1:59 off of no speed work so I am confident going into the track season. I'm also confident in getting my 1500m time down close to or under 4 minutes this year and my 400m close to or under 50 seconds.


If you could accomplish all three goals, you'd probably get some attention from a Division II school. While none of those marks would put you into contention for Division 1 NCAA points, as an all-around runner, you could help in Div II conference meets and that might be of interest to a Div II coach whose goal is to win conference championships vs national championships.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby FinlayZoom » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:03 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
If you could accomplish all three goals, you'd probably get some attention from a Division II school. While none of those marks would put you into contention for Division 1 NCAA points, as an all-around runner, you could help in Div II conference meets and that might be of interest to a Div II coach whose goal is to win conference championships vs national championships.


Are full scholarships still available for division II athletes?
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Marlow » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:05 pm

And don't forget the NAIA route. Less regulation and lower standards (but less $$ overall too). Then there's JCs.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:11 pm

Finlay Murray is only 17 yr. old, so with maturity, training, and racing may drop his times to a level US schools would be interested. I would suggest that he look first at mid-major conferences, like Sunbelt, Southland, WAC, that are mostly fully funded (12.6 scholarships for men) and can't recruit the top (sub 1:50 guys). NAIA schools also have lower athletic standards for scholarship. Also suggest that you develop abilities in at least a second race distance (400, 1500, xc). You must take the ACT or SAT test to be elgible for ncaa competition. There is also a core (see NCAA Clearinghouse) of academic courses you must have to be elgible for athletics.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 18.99s » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:52 pm

FinlayZoom wrote:I'm male.
In my final year In high school, but if I was to go out to America I would not go out until 2014, ie I'd be taking a year out to work etc.


Good. 1:58 won't get you a scholarship, but you're 17 years old now and within reach of getting to scholarship-level performace with 1 or 2 more seasons. Starting school in August/September 2014 gives you this season and next season to improve your times.

So what to do next, apart from training and racing to improve your times?

1. Take the SAT or ACT: There are minimum standards you have to meet on either test (you only need to take one, not both) in order to be eligible to compete for a college team, and a high score can help you to get you a partial or full academic scholarship. That academic scholarship is very important, because you might only get a half or quarter-scholarship in track & field. If you think you're in reach of an academic scholarship, take the test seriously with months of practice, and take it more than once before applying to schools.

2. Getting accepted academically: If you want to start school for the academic year that begins in August or September, the application deadline will generally be somewhere between February to May of the same calendar year (of course, each school has its own different deadline so you'll need to research that for each one). That includes taking the SAT or ACT soon enough to get results before the application deadline.

3. Don't attend university or any post-secondary college in the time gap between graduating high school and starting your studies in the US. That time in college will reduce the number of years you're eligible to compete in the US at NCAA schools.

4. Don't take any prize money for any races, and don't appear in any commercials related to sporting goods or events.

5. Student visa: After acceptance by the school, you'll need some documentation from the school to take to the US consulate, plus either proof that you have the money to pay for the studies yourself or have a scholarship. So if you can afford to attend with less than a full scholarship, start planning for the money from now so it will be in a liquid and verifiable form that will satisfy the embassy.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:31 pm

FinlayZoom wrote:Thanks for all the info! Definitely opened my eyes to the situation!!



Thanks for this, I think I know someone who got a partial scholarship in football... I may look into this because even if I don't have the chance to achieve a full scholarship I would still be interested in studying I'm America.

Conor Dary wrote:Is this you?

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/p ... eid=109636

If so I would stay in Scotland. Scholarships for male track athletes are pretty nonexistent over here. Aren't Scottish Universities free tuition for Scots?

By the way did you ever run against the Wightman Twins? They went to Fettes and are about a year older.

Yep that's me. The reason that I've become interested in scholarships is because a few athletes that I know of have been offered track and field scholarships, so I jumped to the conclusion that they weren't too hard to com by, but this is clearly not true.
Yes, Scottish uni's are free.
I think I have raced one of them, pretty sure he ran a 1:55 in the Scottish schools champs. Would this be the right person?


A 4 minute 1500 isn't bad and may get some offers though it depends where you want to go. My nephew is at the University of Minnesota running cross country and track, and is probably typical where the scholarship money is spread around. A guy like Hasan Mead, 27:59 10k got a full ride but that was the exception.

I would probably just write to some school's coaches and tell them about yourself.

But you best bet would be to use your contacts of fellow athletes who are over here now.

Yes, that 1:55 sounds like Jake. I have known their mother, who ran the marathon in Seoul, a very long time. Also I did a Phd at Nottingham where the twins were born. So I babysat those two quite a bit in 1995-6.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Fortius19 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:49 am

Physical Therapy courses in the US are pretty time intensive.

Your first 2-3 years, you need to take a lot of science which involves taking lots of 2-3 hour labs. Plus, you have the challenge of just getting the classes you want in the time slots you want, which I hear is not as easy as it was 20yrs ago.

Then, when you are accepted into a PT program (only if you have great grades, scores, etc.) the PT classes are pretty rigorous and don't leave a lot of free time. I couldn't even work 10 hrs/week and pass my classes.

I don't know of anyone who ever competed on a sports team and went to Physical Therapy school. And, I've met a lot of therapists. Good luck with whatever you decide and do!
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Blues » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:50 am

Fortius19 wrote:Physical Therapy courses in the US are pretty time intensive.

Your first 2-3 years, you need to take a lot of science which involves taking lots of 2-3 hour labs. Plus, you have the challenge of just getting the classes you want in the time slots you want, which I hear is not as easy as it was 20yrs ago.

Then, when you are accepted into a PT program (only if you have great grades, scores, etc.) the PT classes are pretty rigorous and don't leave a lot of free time. I couldn't even work 10 hrs/week and pass my classes.

I don't know of anyone who ever competed on a sports team and went to Physical Therapy school. And, I've met a lot of therapists. Good luck with whatever you decide and do!


I guess it might depend on the school as to whether an athlete can schedule his or her courses appropriately to be able to participate in track and field, but there certainly have been a number of track and field athletes nationwide in the past, as well as recently, who have majored in a science related field and have had no major problems combining academics and track and field.. Looking at the list of Academic All-Americans in track and field seems to support that belief too.. Young Mr. Murray doesn't have to worry about Physical Therapy school until after 3 or 4 years of his undergraduate courses, so I don't see competing in track and field as an obstacle that can't be overcome if he's willing to sacrifice some of his free time and be responsible with his studies... JMO
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby aaronk » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:06 am

Don't forget the example set by Mary Cain this past indoor season.

She broke SIX High School indoor records....WHILE holding a 4.0 GPA in academics!!

Not only that, but she spent FOUR HOURS taking her SAT's the morning of her 4:16.11 and 4:32.78 1500 and mile records!!

With just a couple of hours between!! :D
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby KevinM » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:16 am

aaronk wrote:Don't forget the example set by Mary Cain this past indoor season.

She broke SIX High School indoor records....WHILE holding a 4.0 GPA in academics!!

Not only that, but she spent FOUR HOURS taking her SAT's the morning of her 4:16.11 and 4:32.78 1500 and mile records!!

With just a couple of hours between!! :D


Get a grip, man.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby FinlayZoom » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:58 am

I was aware of the intensity of the physical therapy course, and after visiting a few of the universities in Scotland my eyes were opened up a bit to the course and what i had expected of it. I can imagine that balancing both studies and Track would be very difficult.

I'd kind of thrown myself into saying i wanted to do physio without much thought, although i'm still very interested in physiotherapy, i was also looking into the exercise science courses.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Blues » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:41 pm

FinlayZoom wrote:I was aware of the intensity of the physical therapy course, and after visiting a few of the universities in Scotland my eyes were opened up a bit to the course and what i had expected of it. I can imagine that balancing both studies and Track would be very difficult.

I'd kind of thrown myself into saying i wanted to do physio without much thought, although i'm still very interested in physiotherapy, i was also looking into the exercise science courses.


I'm sure there are various careers you'd enjoy, but don't automatically let the thought of physical therapy being a relatively difficult curriculum scare you away before you even start... You can always change majors if it starts to get too tough.

Former NCAA Champion Miles Batty, as an example, was one of the top scholar athletes in the country while at Brigham Young University. Despite excelling in academics as an undergraduate while majoring in neuroscience and exercise physiology/science while preparing for medical school, he was also one of the top milers in the nation, even breaking the collegiate indoor record in the mile by running 3:54.54 last year. (Tulsa's Chris O'Hare recently broke that record.). (Batty's medical school plans are on hold for the time being while he gives professional running (Asics) a try..)

http://byusportscamps.com//athletics/mi ... ard-winner
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 18.99s » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:59 pm

Roger Bannister trained for the 4-minute mile while in medical school. There aren't many more time-consuming energy-draining courses of study than that.

You can study physical therapy and run track if the school will give you the flexibility. It might mean that the coach gives you a program to run by yourself at 6am or 9pm on the 2-3 days of the week when your classes conflict with team practice, but it can be done. When I was in college that's what some of the cross-country guys did if they were unable to schedule their classes around the team's regular training times. And with today's GPS phone apps they can even check that you ran what you were supposed to run without being there to watch you.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby aaronk » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:04 pm

KevinM wrote:
aaronk wrote:Don't forget the example set by Mary Cain this past indoor season.

She broke SIX High School indoor records....WHILE holding a 4.0 GPA in academics!!

Not only that, but she spent FOUR HOURS taking her SAT's the morning of her 4:16.11 and 4:32.78 1500 and mile records!!

With just a couple of hours between!! :D


Get a grip, man.


I HAVE a grip!

On WHAT, I have no idea!! :P
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby AS » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:39 pm

This may be insightful. Fantastic blogpost from Stanford-based Aussie Steve Solomon about transitioning from Olympic finalist to college freshman: http://www.runnerstribe.com/blog/46281- ... anford-Rio
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby hjumper33 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:23 am

Physical therapy school is usually post-graduate anyway. You'd major in biology or something similar likely. I ran at a big ten school, graduated in three years, did a masters while finishing eligibility. Med school after, and finishing my residency now. It's all doable, and I'm no a genius. Prepare to work hard and follow your dreams. Many international athletes don't come over right at 18, so keep working, you'll get there. Set your goals high but your expectations reasonable.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby mal » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:17 am

AS wrote:This may be insightful. Fantastic blogpost from Stanford-based Aussie Steve Solomon about transitioning from Olympic finalist to college freshman: http://www.runnerstribe.com/blog/46281- ... anford-Rio


What I don't get with Solomon. (Who is incedibly bright, and from my country - lately). Is that he would be going straight into medical school had he remained in Australia. He's made some interesting decisions already.
I don't get any feeling that he is in medical school here, so effectively he has put academics/career on hold. I agree with the choice. Roger Black did the same, though never came back to finish medical school. Hopefully he will get into the Stanford program post undergrad. I suspect he can finish his undergrad in 3 years or less.

I look forward to seeing how the shift impacts his athletic progression. He is a sharp kid who is mentally incredibly tough.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby gh » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:00 am

AS wrote:This may be insightful. Fantastic blogpost from Stanford-based Aussie Steve Solomon about transitioning from Olympic finalist to college freshman: http://www.runnerstribe.com/blog/46281- ... anford-Rio


Best bit of recruiting "propaganda" any school has ever had?
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:45 am

gh wrote:
AS wrote:This may be insightful. Fantastic blogpost from Stanford-based Aussie Steve Solomon about transitioning from Olympic finalist to college freshman: http://www.runnerstribe.com/blog/46281- ... anford-Rio

Best bit of recruiting "propaganda" any school has ever had?

I'll say! Excerpts:

I am having the time of my life here at Stanford University.
The university is unbelievable.
Every facet is beyond anything that I have ever seen before or even heard of.
The campus itself is the second largest in the world, and has everything from golf courses to hospitals to even a shopping mall.
The university is situated right in the heart of Silicon Valley, home of many of the worlds most influential technology companies such as Google and Facebook.
The aesthetics of the university are breathtaking, and combine both renaissance designs with modern architecture.
The teaching faculty are not only world leaders in their field of expertise, but also become your friends.
In one week last term, I had the privilege of listening to Mark Zuckerberg, Condoleezza Rice and Melinda Gates lecture.
But above the exceptional facilities, eye-capturing environment and influential speakers, my favorite part of Stanford University is the student life.
the quality of people at Stanford is to me what makes it such an incredible institution.
Everybody is sociable. Everybody has a strong work ethic and everybody has a desire to make their time at university a time that they will remember for the rest of their lives.
The party life is lively,
The people are awesome, the weather is gorgeous
Hoover (31st President of the United States of America) deemed the university as “the most beautiful place on earth”.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby batonless relay » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:55 am

Maybe Finlay should consider moving to Australia. If Finlay can duplicate the improvement of Steven Solomon's 18-month lead-up to the London Games then Finlay's new PB will be:

200 - 22.08
800 - 1:46.78

That 800 would get him a scholarship almost anywhere.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby sbo » Tue May 07, 2013 5:01 am

There are a broad range of times, marks and distances for Track and Field Scholarships. There is a nice chart at the link below with info for men and women:

Track and Field Scholarship Marks, Times and Distances

Good luck on the search.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 07, 2013 7:57 am

These ranges are rather broad and tougher for some events than others. Here are some examples that illustrate problems:

1,500m 3:55-4:30 4:40-5:25
1,600m 4:15-5:00 5:00-6:00

Long Jump 24’6″-19’0″ 19’6″-15’0″
Triple Jump 51’0″-38’0″ 40’0″-32’0″

A 3:55 is than a 4:15. The low ends are too easy, as I could do the lower end easily in the jumps, for instance, and I could not even jump for my high school close to half a century ago. And, I was a distance runner and am further up in you jumps than in the distances.

When you get to this level of a broad range, what use is the table -- I actually mean that as a serious question because I do not think that this is a useless or uninteresting enterprise. I suspect that you will get feedback that will lead to improving your ranges.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby KevinM » Tue May 07, 2013 2:27 pm

26mi235 wrote:These ranges are rather broad and tougher for some events than others. Here are some examples that illustrate problems:

1,500m 3:55-4:30 4:40-5:25
1,600m 4:15-5:00 5:00-6:00

Long Jump 24’6″-19’0″ 19’6″-15’0″
Triple Jump 51’0″-38’0″ 40’0″-32’0″

A 3:55 is than a 4:15. The low ends are too easy, as I could do the lower end easily in the jumps, for instance, and I could not even jump for my high school close to half a century ago. And, I was a distance runner and am further up in you jumps than in the distances.

When you get to this level of a broad range, what use is the table -- I actually mean that as a serious question because I do not think that this is a useless or uninteresting enterprise. I suspect that you will get feedback that will lead to improving your ranges.


The range of marks on that table appears to be designed to get as many kids as possible to sign up for their website. I would bet a large amount of money on the premise that there are no male 5:00 milers receiving athletic scholarships to any schools, anywhere.
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Re: American Scholarships

Postby Conor Dary » Tue May 07, 2013 2:36 pm

KevinM wrote:
26mi235 wrote:These ranges are rather broad and tougher for some events than others. Here are some examples that illustrate problems:

1,500m 3:55-4:30 4:40-5:25
1,600m 4:15-5:00 5:00-6:00

Long Jump 24’6″-19’0″ 19’6″-15’0″
Triple Jump 51’0″-38’0″ 40’0″-32’0″

A 3:55 is than a 4:15. The low ends are too easy, as I could do the lower end easily in the jumps, for instance, and I could not even jump for my high school close to half a century ago. And, I was a distance runner and am further up in you jumps than in the distances.

When you get to this level of a broad range, what use is the table -- I actually mean that as a serious question because I do not think that this is a useless or uninteresting enterprise. I suspect that you will get feedback that will lead to improving your ranges.


The range of marks on that table appears to be designed to get as many kids as possible to sign up for their website. I would bet a large amount of money on the premise that there are no male 5:00 milers receiving athletic scholarships to any schools, anywhere.


Well, there probably are, but they also have to run a 47 400.
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