Bird better than Jordan?


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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:18 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
bijanc wrote: Jordan won one NCAA title, Alcindor not only won three,


Well yea, since Jordan turned pro after his second year.....kind of hard to win NCAA titles when you are not college.

Jordan turned pro after his junior year and freshman couldn't play varsity when Kareem was in college, so they both played three years. Kareem was dominant at a younger age than Jordan and he was still dominant at an age three years older than Jordan was when he retired the second time. On top of that, Kareem has 10 times more character than Jordan has.
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby bijanc » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:40 pm

H.S. and college are relevant when discussing the cumulative careers of the best basketball players ever, as opposed to the most accomplished pro. Maravich was the most fun to watch (then maybe Monroe, then ABA Doc). Wilkins and Carter and Lebron could dunk w/ MJ.
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:41 pm

jazzcyclist wrote: On top of that, Kareem has 10 times more character than Jordan has.


I have no idea what that means, but I suppose it sounds clever, and if it means anything, so what?

MJ was the man!
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby bambam » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:26 pm

bijanc wrote:H.S. and college are relevant when discussing the cumulative careers of the best basketball players ever, as opposed to the most accomplished pro. Maravich was the most fun to watch (then maybe Monroe, then ABA Doc). Wilkins and Carter and Lebron could dunk w/ MJ.


If you mention most fun college players to watch and don't include David Thompson, then you never saw him play. Best college player I ever saw, with possible exception of Lew Alcindor / Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby bijanc » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:41 pm

I saw Thompson. He is the best college player I ever saw, a little above Austin Carr. My first time watching Alcindor was 1969, when he was a professional. Idolized Thompson, who was also forbidden to dunk. Rumor has it he TJ'ed well over 40' first time out,
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby Pego » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 pm

David Thompson was spectacular. I never cared much for Carr. He would lower his shoulder a lot and often got away with it. They called charge a lot less in those days than now.
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Re: Bird better than Jordan?

Postby bijanc » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:40 pm

Tastes differ, but I've never seen a more efficient scorer that size than Austin Carr. He was automatic from 20-22', despite defenses designed to curtail him. Still hold NCAA scoring avg. record of 52 points a game over seven career games. Maybe he used his frame to his advantage on drives, but from the perimeter, no collegian who played such as strong schedule, has scored like that since (34 ppg. 38 ppg.).
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