26mi235 wrote:mal, growing up in NZ makes one bereft of commonsense (and even more so, those around him)? There is nothing about doing dangerous things like his solo lifting that makes him a better shot putter or competitor.
Furthermore, the 'following' he seems to have in his internet heroics does nothing for his commonsense either, it seems.
Says you. Mr I've been there.
Have you ever lived in New Zealand?
You come from a place famous for slicing cheese. But despite that you are judgemental of him.
Let him be who he is. He's not there trying to make you happy, just himself. I may not agree with the way he's going about his life, his High Schooling for example. But the things he is taking responsible for are thinks that strengthen his own ego.
Unlike math, athletics is more about ego and your own belief in yourself, than what's on page 54. Just enjoy his results (if you can) and laugh at him when he fails to meet your expectations. Until then he seems to have the magic formula. For him. I was in sport for a long time and there were a lot of crazy people. Many of them fell by the wayside, and many of them became very successful. One of your US icons did crazy stuff, but people still love him.
He's a kid. And he's not your kid. He seems to get plenty to eat, and he has a roof over his head, and an internet subscription. I'm sure his parents don't let him go feral.
26mi235 should probably go back and stick his nose back into his calculus books.
I may well have grown up in a country that makes one bereft of commonsense.
But at least it is a country that does not have: - A seemingly never ending history of drug cheats in TnF - A TnF federation that despite their occasional lack of managerial skills would never ever consider covering up for athletes who tested positive for drugs even if they were multi world champions and Olympic champions - To worry about high school kids taking guns to school and creating death and destruction
And for a population of only 4 million we are also a country that does reasonably well in international sports, including the Olympics and including TnF.
I note that Wisconsin has more people than NZ. I would be more than happy to compare New Zealand's international sporting achievements against those of Wisconsin. In TnF I am happy to put up Snell, Halberg, Walker, Quax, Dixon, Willis, Adams, Faumuina, Moller, Audain, Roe against anything that Wisconsin has. In other sports what about rugby? rowing? canoeing? sailing? equestrian? cycling?
Even without commonsense we survive and we occasionally achieve.
As for Jacko's parents I suggest 26mi235 should refrain from making judgments until he has actually met Walter and Nerida. And until he has actually met young Jacko.
Also Jacko's upbringing and his own personality means he would never stoop to the pathetic display shown by Tyreek Hill in celebrating the tripping of the British relay runner.
Strength Athletes via Facebook wrote:Strength Athletes August 1 Spoke to Nick Vena's dad... It's official... He is transferring to the University of Georgia... That means Hoffa is going to be his training partner next year! Crazy!
It is a story that 26mi235 should read, given his snide unwarranted comments about NZ, Jacko and his family.
My comments about Jacko and his training 'stunts' are not snide and are not meant to be snide. I doubt I am alone in the opinion that some of what he does is not particularly smart and that some of the adults around him should be exercising better judgement with a strong-willed youth [my sense is that he is not 'wild', and that does likely represent good adult modulation]. Can you give me links to major lifting coaches that say lifting high weights, alone, in the middle of the night is an accepted, wise training routine?
That, in a nutshell, is my critique of Gill, although pique at not pre-selecting a 'B' standard athlete does not leave me highly impressed with either him or his handlers either [of course, being from the US, where we do not even preselect WR/returning OG/WC champions set a different sort of baseline for me].
I do not fault is determination and his abilities, and that part seems to get lost as though I am ragging on him overall. He will not have the usual big development as he gets older since he has already harvested much of the ground that others don't typically do at his (not-tender) tender age. Of course, that is why he is already where he is, and a slightly slower trajectory from this point could very well take him too the top.
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I feel this year (i.e., not in 3 weeks) he can be at
25.5 - 83' !!! +1.05 24.5 - 80' +2.20 23.5 - 77' + 1.2 21.0 - 69' + 0.68 (which sounds RIDICULOUS for an 18-year-old, but . . . )
That 2.20 looks out of place (and it still does not get to 81 feet).
Perhaps the reason the 2.20 looks out of place is because Jacko has never thrown the 12lb. Nowhere else in the world is the 12lb thrown except for the USA. However, the estimate of 23.3 ish is fair and reasonable.
Carters 81 feet plus is IMO far and away the most incredible HS performance and is the bench mark for Jacko to chase.
I reckon the Gill company should invite Jacko to compete in a Gill series against the best USA high schoolers/18 year olds in May 2013 with a goal of chasing after Carter's record.
No records today. Jacko injured on first throw. He was slightly off balance as he planted his left foot going into the throw. Twisted his foot. Gone to medical centre for x-ray and treatment. Unlikely t throw again till after he turns 18 in 9 days time. His throw was a foul as he limped out of the circle to the side. The throw itself was approx 20.60 with the 7.26kg.
as a kid lifting alone in a vacuum, which Sydney Australia was in the 70's where we had 5 Ol bars in the city, some US colleges had twice that at the time, I can say lifting alone, makes one very serious about what one does, because you know it is only you who, no back slapping, no one shouting "it's all you", a great way for a solo athlete to prepare and learn to handle the adrenalin
GMH454 wrote:as a kid lifting alone in a vacuum, which Sydney Australia was in the 70's where we had 5 Ol bars in the city, some US colleges had twice that at the time, I can say lifting alone, makes one very serious about what one does, because you know it is only you who, no back slapping, no one shouting "it's all you", a great way for a solo athlete to prepare and learn to handle the adrenalin
Too true. Where I was there was one track, and you had to get approval to use it during the year. You become very hard headed.
Jacko has suffered another setback to his next competitive performance as the result of a dog attack to his face. I understand he has just been released from hospital after 2 or 3 days. Evidently, he tried to stop a dog fight and tried to break it up. I guess Jacko does everything in his life with little thought to the downside if things go wrong as they did in this case.
I believe his foot has been healing nicely which he strained in 3 places a month ago.
Looks like the dog might have a bit of a toothache.
While the incident is pretty terrible, the funny thing is it wouldn't surprise me if the enforced layoff is a good thing for Jacko (as long as it is not too long) and he comes back at the end of this month or early next month and throws a series of PR's.
Konrad Bukowiecki (97) set a new Polish indoor youth record with 20.17 (5k shot). That's 1 cm farther than Krzysztof Brzozowski's best in this age category. Bukowiecki's outdoor best last year was 19.27.
Powell wrote:Konrad Bukowiecki (97) set a new Polish indoor youth record with 20.17 (5k shot). That's 1 cm farther than Krzysztof Brzozowski's best in this age category. Bukowiecki's outdoor best last year was 19.27.
Bukowiecki improved to 20.54 at this weekend's national champs. In the junior category, Andrzej Krzyżan took the title with 19.74.
I don't follow age stuff at all, so have no idea if significant, but we got this in an e-mail last week:
I'd like to tell you about a young shot putter named Joseph Maxwell. He's 14 years old and has been throwing competitively for two years. Last month Joe threw the 4 kg shot 21.0m in an Athletics Ontario competition in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Earlier in the month he competed up one level and threw the 5kg 19.10m in the 17-and-under class.
If he was 14 years old his throw is significant although he still has a bit to do to catch to the outdoor world best for a 14 year old with a 5kg shot is 20.42m by Jacko Gill. The 15 year old world best is 23.86m; also by Jacko.
The world best for the 6kg shot, are 17.41m for a 14 year old and 20.76 for a 15 year old. Both by Jacko.