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kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby doug5321 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:34 am

last year as a junior in high school kadecia baird was 2nd at world juniors, she was born in 1995 so she can run in the 2014 world juniors.

kadecia baird - 400
51.04 2nd in world junior, 27th fastest time in the world in 2012.

ajee wilson 800
2:00.91 won world youth in 2011, won world junior in 2012, she was born in 1994 so she is still a junior this year, her time of 2:00.91 was 81st fastest time in the world.

mary cain born 1996, she will be a junior until december 31st 2015
4:11.01 her time was 132nd fastest in the world last year.

baird had the highest place of the 3 on the world list, all in regularly run championship events.

for an apples and oranges comparison the 27th fastest time in the world at 800 and 1500 were 1:59.32 and 4:02.59 respectively.

ajee wilson is world champion at world youth and world junior, cain is smashing high school records, on the world level baird may be the most advanced of the 3, but the high school records in the USA are tougher than the 800 and 1500/mile records.

mostly want to give baird some props.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby az2004 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:33 am

looking at baird for the new balance indoor nationals, the entry list has her in the open 200

the 4X200 and the 4X400

i dont think she's done an open 400 yet, but count the number of 4X200 and 4X400 legs, and she'd busy enough though

has she selected a college yet, or is she going pro???

agree she is an elite talent like cain or wilson
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Postby Blues » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:20 am

az2004 wrote:looking at baird for the new balance indoor nationals, the entry list has her in the open 200

the 4X200 and the 4X400

i dont think she's done an open 400 yet, but count the number of 4X200 and 4X400 legs, and she'd busy enough though

has she selected a college yet, or is she going pro???

agree she is an elite talent like cain or wilson


The last I heard (which was a few weeks ago), she had her heart set on getting a college scholarship, but was still deciding on the best college choice (and college coach) that she felt could help her progress.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby az2004 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:30 am

shes from guyana and i wonder how much time she spends there or in new york
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby batonless relay » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:49 am

college program/coach that can help her progress? I think they're all hit or miss. at 51.04 how much can she really improve based upon NCAA standards? One second? That is about the limit for college coaching or even pro coaching to be honest. the only real areas of improvement for her would be her shorter sprints at 11.63/23.57 - a half second and full second improvement, respectively, year over year. She should be a pro prospect but that seems to have died down tremendously from the days of webb, brown, bolt or even felix. Maybe she's the next Felix/Richards (Triple sub)? Living in the northeast would slow her sprint progress over a girl in CA or FL.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby Half Miler » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:16 pm

doug5321 wrote:for an apples and oranges comparison the 27th fastest time in the world at 800 and 1500 were 1:59.32 and 4:02.59 respectively.


Not to take anything away from Baird, but I think using world list placings is somewhat misleading. Historically, the top US juniors will approach world-class sprint times with more regularity than in the middle distances. Baird's 51.04 is terrific, and makes her the #8 US junior ever. But both 1:59 and 4:02 would demolish the existing AJRs.

It might be more helpful to simply compare them on the all-time junior lists.

Baird #8
Wilson #3
Cain #3

I do agree Baird is an exciting talent, though. :)
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Postby ATK » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:03 am

Half Miler wrote:Baird's 51.04 is terrific, and makes her the #8 US junior ever. But both 1:59 and 4:02 would demolish the existing AJRs.

Luckily for her, she represents Guyana....
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby az2004 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:40 am

looking at year of birth

wilson 1994
baird 1995
cain 1996

does anyone have any idea which schools, baird is considering??


doinga search a nypost article from 2012 says

Texas A&M, LSU, Central Florida, South Carolina and Clemson, among others.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby Blues » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:28 am

An article from Guyana News from yesterday... If they can come up with the funds they're suggesting I guess it could change her college plans if she so chooses, at least as far as competing goes...

http://www.guyananews.co/2013/03/05/str ... cia-baird/
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Postby az2004 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:40 am

interesting article

is kirani james a model for her
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Postby CookyMonzta » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:53 pm

Blues wrote:An article from Guyana News from yesterday... If they can come up with the funds they're suggesting I guess it could change her college plans if she so chooses, at least as far as competing goes...

http://www.guyananews.co/2013/03/05/str ... cia-baird/

Most intriguing. It seems to me that the people around her and in Guyana want to avoid the same mistakes (which were made with regard to Aliann Pompey) being made twice.

Now that she has a 22.7 relay leg (±0.1) on record, what are her chances of taking down Sanya's HSR of 50.69? She ran 51.04 last year (now the NYS record, which broke Diane Dixon's 51.75 from 1982) when her best indoor 200 relay split (as far as I know) was 23.6.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:08 pm

Blues wrote:An article from Guyana News from yesterday... If they can come up with the funds they're suggesting I guess it could change her college plans if she so chooses, at least as far as competing goes...

http://www.guyananews.co/2013/03/05/str ... cia-baird/

Isn't it a bit of a Faustian Bargain for a third world country to spend that much money on a runner?

Government support of athletes in general is objectionable, but this is especially so.
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Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:30 pm

JumboElliott wrote:
Blues wrote:An article from Guyana News from yesterday... If they can come up with the funds they're suggesting I guess it could change her college plans if she so chooses, at least as far as competing goes...

http://www.guyananews.co/2013/03/05/str ... cia-baird/

Isn't it a bit of a Faustian Bargain for a third world country to spend that much money on a runner?

Government support of athletes in general is objectionable, but this is especially so.


Sorry, I think you might not understand the costs and values involved. Further, if she does make it big, there will be a positive flow of earnings into the country (just think what the direct taxation on her earnings alone would add up to, plus the other economic activity. In addition there are the intangible benefits like some of her peers being driven to work harder for their goals. Finally, nations spend an awful lot more on image and posturing than this would amount to.
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Postby highjumpfan » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:54 pm

Sorry, I think you might not understand the costs and values involved. Further, if she does make it big, there will be a positive flow of earnings into the country (just think what the direct taxation on her earnings alone would add up to, plus the other economic activity. In addition there are the intangible benefits like some of her peers being driven to work harder for their goals. Finally, nations spend an awful lot more on image and posturing than this would amount to.[/quote]

Sorry but I have to disagree. The flow of taxes would certainly not go to Guyana as she lives and trains in New York currently and if she did go somewhere else to train it would almost certainly not be Georgetown (Guyana not the university) the direct economic stimulus for Guyana would be virtually,negligible. It might increase slightly public awareness of the country to the point where people no longer confuse it with Ghana but that's about the extent of it.
However it would create a sense of national pride and build good will in the Guyanese community and potentially strengthen the social contract between the government and the people and that is priceless especially considering the political landscape in Guyana.
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:38 pm

There's less than a one in a hundred chance that her career takes off to the point where she's a recognizable name. This would be sunk cost regardless.
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Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:34 pm

Second in World Juniors with two more years in Juniors. 1 in 100 is a pretty easy standard to get to be a recognizable name. One in five might be too high, but do you really think that one in one hundred is an accurate assessment?

So, it makes a lot of sense for a college to sponsor her, but not her country, where she might be the number one star in sports?
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Postby JumboElliott » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:06 pm

Perhaps I'm being bearish, but her chances are still not great. Dexter Lee won it twice, and the list of women who have won world juniors in the 400m is a fairly underwhelming list.
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Postby 26mi235 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:20 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Perhaps I'm being bearish, but her chances are still not great. Dexter Lee won it twice, and the list of women who have won world juniors in the 400m is a fairly underwhelming list.


Take the proper subset, those doing very well as junior Juniors, such as Cain, Bolt, ...
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Postby CookyMonzta » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:22 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Perhaps I'm being bearish, but her chances are still not great. Dexter Lee won it twice, and the list of women who have won world juniors in the 400m is a fairly underwhelming list.

When is the next World Juniors, and where? If there is one this year, and she pops a low-52 at Penn, I think her chances of doubling up are quite good, given her 51.04 last year. Certainly, she is capable of winning one...

...But first, Sanya's HSR of 50.69 is looking more and more vulnerable today.
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Postby LadyT » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:37 am

CookyMonzta wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Perhaps I'm being bearish, but her chances are still not great. Dexter Lee won it twice, and the list of women who have won world juniors in the 400m is a fairly underwhelming list.

When is the next World Juniors, and where? If there is one this year, and she pops a low-52 at Penn, I think her chances of doubling up are quite good, given her 51.04 last year. Certainly, she is capable of winning one...

...But first, Sanya's HSR of 50.69 is looking more and more vulnerable today.


The next world junior champs is in 2014 in Eugene, Oregon I believe. That 50.69 does seem doable, but it would be very hard to do without the right competition. Sanya had Monique Henderson to push her to that performance.
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Postby aaronk » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:38 am

LadyT wrote:
CookyMonzta wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Perhaps I'm being bearish, but her chances are still not great. Dexter Lee won it twice, and the list of women who have won world juniors in the 400m is a fairly underwhelming list.

When is the next World Juniors, and where? If there is one this year, and she pops a low-52 at Penn, I think her chances of doubling up are quite good, given her 51.04 last year. Certainly, she is capable of winning one...

...But first, Sanya's HSR of 50.69 is looking more and more vulnerable today.


The next world junior champs is in 2014 in Eugene, Oregon I believe. That 50.69 does seem doable, but it would be very hard to do without the right competition. Sanya had Monique Henderson to push her to that performance.


Would the "right competition".....
happen to include running against....
Sanya Richards-Ross herself??

That COULD happen....say, at the NY or Pre DL's!!
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Postby JumboElliott » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:00 am

To put Sanya in perspective: Sanya ran 23.22 and 52.10 at HS indoor nationals in 2002 at the Armory, winning both. Baird ran 24.12 and a 53.8 relay leg in the same meet. They're basically the exact same relative age.
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Postby batonless relay » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:30 am

That is a good comparison with Sanya. Baird's "disadvantage" is that she isn't in a warm weather state like Sanya (or Erika Rucker GA/SC or growing up in the caribbean like Shawnae Miller). I wouldn't expect Baird's speed to be there in February while living in NY.

Erika Rucker, who placed third at WJC in 51.10 (Baird was second, 51.04), ran 52.22 indoors this year at University of South Carolina and Shawnae Miller who was 4th at WJC in 51.78 won NC's with 50.88. Throw in Baird's IMPRESIVE 37.54 at the Armory and it kind of makes me think that despite her relay exploits that she is "on pace" for Sanya's record by late season, especially when you consider that she ran 11.6 last year.

I see Baird being a formidable 400m runner and I see Miller moving down to the 100 or the 200m long term.
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Postby 26mi235 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:34 pm

batonless relay wrote:That is a good comparison with Sanya. Baird's "disadvantage" is that she isn't in a warm weather state like Sanya (or Erika Rucker GA/SC or growing up in the caribbean like Shawnae Miller). I wouldn't expect Baird's speed to be there in February while living in NY.

Erika Rucker, who placed third at WJC in 51.10 (Baird was second, 51.04), ran 52.22 indoors this year at University of South Carolina and Shawnae Miller who was 4th at WJC in 51.78 won NC's with 50.88. Throw in Baird's IMPRESIVE 37.54 at the Armory and it kind of makes me think that despite her relay exploits that she is "on pace" for Sanya's record by late season, especially when you consider that she ran 11.6 last year.

I see Baird being a formidable 400m runner and I see Miller moving down to the 100 or the 200m long term.


So Miller goes from 51.78 at the peak of outdoors to 50.88 indoors and you have her pegged as moving out of the 400? She is a big athlete and it likely has taken her longer to get the full strength to use that size. Thus, we might see the continued effects of maturation even though she is a college freshman already (age?).

Why wouldn't she have her best shot at the 400 (that indoor time presages a 50-flat or 49-high and she cannot be the optimal size for running indoors, I would think).
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Postby JumboElliott » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Exactly, Miller is 6'1. Has there ever been a successful female sprinter that tall?
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Postby batonless relay » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:04 pm

I'm not saying Miller will be unsuccessful and I'm not saying that she won't run sub-50 or even sub-49. What I am saying is that Miller is going to grow stronger. It is my belief that she is only beginning to learn how to unwind that tall body; and even though she's still learning, she still ran 11.41 and 22.70 last year as well as 51.25 a few months before WJC (the 51.78 is not indicative of her ability, she was injured last year after sprinting so much). Look at her...she's not going to get much lighter than she is right now; it would make sense to use the power and strength she will develop. I am NOT saying that she is the next Bolt of the women, only that I think she can be (with a whole lotta IF's). She doesn't overstride, she has pretty good arm carriage and she is well trained (her current coach was her coach in the Bahamas before he left for UGA)...she may not be a true LONG sprinter.

I am NOT saying that she will be but I wouldn't be surprised if she's 10.7 in a few years. I see a bit of Marion Jones ability there...just taller (and for the moment not as fast). I'm thinking a stronger Grace Jackson (11.08/21.72/49.57)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzF5JcqxhO0 Miller WJC 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7pd3dDTjCI Miller WYC 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQKYKdPHq-s Miller SEC 2013 Look at the body change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-wG6z1uB0 Bolt...notice how he doesn't overstride?

Again, not saying that she will be "Bolt" or Marion its just that she has a lot of the cues that say "short sprinter" - even though she's so tall. By the way, Sanya has many of those same cues and would be a "triple-sub" if not for the 22.09.
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Postby 26mi235 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 pm

BR: I think that the basic speed will change less than the long-sprint speed. Jones was an 11.1 sprinter in HS; her 100 times did not improve that much, especially if you strip out a couple of tenths for PEDs at her peak but not while in high school. Thus even if she matures a lot more than Jones did where Jones went 11.1 =>10.9- KB might only go 11.7 => 11.2. [Partly, I think part of the PED draw for her was to do all those events (100/200/LJ/4x100/4x400) because she wanted five (gold) medals and immortality. Thus, she needed to be able to recover and train more. Jones was not as tall but she was not short, so I do not see the same progressions that you are thinking might be forthcoming.

Actually, I think I just place lower likelihood on that than you do, so it is a difference in degree, not in kind.
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Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:15 pm

JumboElliott wrote:To put Sanya in perspective: Sanya ran 23.22 and 52.10 at HS indoor nationals in 2002 at the Armory, winning both. Baird ran 24.12 and a 53.8 relay leg in the same meet. They're basically the exact same relative age.

She was sandbagging that 200 heat. Medgar Evers wanted to avenge their loss (3rd) to Wakefield at last year's NBINs, and she ran only fast enough to get her prepared for the next day's 4x200 final, where she ran a 22.7 second leg. If she had gone all-out in that open 200 heat, she surely would have made the A-final and come thisclose to (as in 23.0x or 23.1x), or broken, Bianca Knight's HSR of 22.97.
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Postby Master Po » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:05 am

JumboElliott wrote:Exactly, Miller is 6'1. Has there ever been a successful female sprinter that tall?


Did not realize she is so tall. I can't think of another that height -- Perec, 5'10"/180cm, seemed to tower over everyone else on the track with her (but that may have had as much to do with how fast she was, and how tall she seemed to be -- I actually thought she was taller). Interesting to consider someone 3" taller than Perec out there.
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Postby batonless relay » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:25 am

26:
Here's an all-time list for youths:11.13 2.0 Chandra Cheeseborough USA 21/06/1976;
11.14 1.7 Marion Jones USA 06/06/1992; 11.14 -0.5 Angela Williams USA 21/06/1997;
11.16 1.2 Gabrielle Mayo USA 22/06/2006; 11.17 A 0.6 Wendy Vereen USA 03/07/1983;
11.17 2.0 Marion Jones 01/06/1991; 11.20 A 1.2 Raelene Boyle AUS 15/10/1968;
11.24 1.2 Jeneba Tarmoh USA 22/06/2006; 11.24 0.8 Jodie Williams GBR 31/05/2010;
11.26 1.4 Grit Breuer GDR 30/06/1989; 11.26 1.2 Bianca Knight USA 22/06/2006;
11.28 0.0 Angela Burnham USA 16/07/1988; 11.30 A 1.3 Margaret Bailes USA 14/10/1968

Marion is the only athlete from the Youth list to go on tho run 10.7 or better. I don't think anyone else on the list broke 11.00. Of the following all-time juniors (10.88 2.0 Marlies Göhr GDR; Katrin Krabbe GDR; Silke Gladisch-Möller GDR; English Gardner USA; Angela Williams USA; Bianca Knight USA; Brenda Morehead US; Shakedia Jones USA; Joan Uduak Ekah NGR; Veronica Campbell-Brown JAM; Alexandria Anderson USA; Aurieyall Scott USA; Chandra Cheeseborough USA; Grit Breuer GER; Ashley Owens USA; Liliana Allen CUB; Marion Jones USA; Ivet Lalova BUL; Allyson Felix USA; Gabrielle Mayo USA; Victoria Jordan USA; Octavious Freeman USA; Wendy Vereen USA; Lin Xiao CHN; Kelly-Ann Baptiste TRI; Ashton Purvis USA; Silvia Chivás CUB; Diana Dietz GER; Nicole Mitchell JAM;
Jodie Williams GBR) only Campbell-Brown and Jones have run 10.7 and Göhr and Gladisch-Möller were close. Few of the others have broken 11.

The point is that it is MORE likely that a 10.7 runner will NOT come from that 11.1/11.2 prodigy list than will.

Also, your assumptions about basic speed SHOULD be based upon how she is trained (especially after noting above the attrition rate of all-time youths and juniors in the quest to run 10.7). If she is trained as a 100/200m runner than she should drop considerably. If she is trained as a 400m runner who sometimes runs the 1 and the 2 then she won't develop her speed. Speed is NOT necessarily static; it can change precipitously, it can be improved. quite a few 400m runners have successfully moved DOWN to the 100m (Mark Witherspoon and Dennis Mitchell come to mind)

As for Jones and PED's...Jones was talented. She could have been the same runner without PED's and better with a different coach.

You're right, there isn't much disagreement between us
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Postby batonless relay » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:29 am

Master Po wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Exactly, Miller is 6'1. Has there ever been a successful female sprinter that tall?


Did not realize she is so tall. I can't think of another that height -- Perec, 5'10"/180cm, seemed to tower over everyone else on the track with her (but that may have had as much to do with how fast she was, and how tall she seemed to be -- I actually thought she was taller). Interesting to consider someone 3" taller than Perec out there.

batonless relay wrote:I'm thinking a stronger Grace Jackson (11.08/21.72/49.57)


Grace Jackson is TALLER than Shaunae Miller
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Postby Master Po » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:21 am

batonless relay wrote:
Master Po wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Exactly, Miller is 6'1. Has there ever been a successful female sprinter that tall?


Did not realize she is so tall. I can't think of another that height -- Perec, 5'10"/180cm, seemed to tower over everyone else on the track with her (but that may have had as much to do with how fast she was, and how tall she seemed to be -- I actually thought she was taller). Interesting to consider someone 3" taller than Perec out there.

batonless relay wrote:I'm thinking a stronger Grace Jackson (11.08/21.72/49.57)



Grace Jackson is TALLER than Shaunae Miller


Thanks -- it's always the case that I overlook an answer in any question posed here.
Didn't realize Grace Jackson was so tall.
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Postby JumboElliott » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:44 am

The tallest listing I can see for Jackson is six feet.
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Postby batonless relay » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:49 am

JumboElliott wrote:The tallest listing I can see for Jackson is six feet.

that's alright, but you would be wrong because it's not what you see, it's what is. I've met them both; Jackson is taller.
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Postby gh » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:42 am

6-0 is indeed what Jackson was always listed at, but having stood next to her, I'd certainly think her taller than that (not that looking down to find me is any particularly tough feat!)
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Re: kadecia baird compares well to cain and wilson

Postby batonless relay » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:40 pm

batonless relay wrote:I'm not saying Miller will be unsuccessful and I'm not saying that she won't run sub-50 or even sub-49. What I am saying is that Miller is going to grow stronger. It is my belief that she is only beginning to learn how to unwind that tall body; and even though she's still learning, she still ran 11.41 and 22.70 last year as well as 51.25 a few months before WJC (the 51.78 is not indicative of her ability, she was injured last year after sprinting so much). Look at her...she's not going to get much lighter than she is right now; it would make sense to use the power and strength she will develop. I am NOT saying that she is the next Bolt of the women, only that I think she can be (with a whole lotta IF's). She doesn't overstride, she has pretty good arm carriage and she is well trained (her current coach was her coach in the Bahamas before he left for UGA)...she may not be a true LONG sprinter.

I am NOT saying that she will be but I wouldn't be surprised if she's 10.7 in a few years. I see a bit of Marion Jones ability there...just taller (and for the moment not as fast). I'm thinking a stronger Grace Jackson (11.08/21.72/49.57)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzF5JcqxhO0 Miller WJC 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7pd3dDTjCI Miller WYC 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQKYKdPHq-s Miller SEC 2013 Look at the body change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-wG6z1uB0 Bolt...notice how he doesn't overstride?

Again, not saying that she will be "Bolt" or Marion its just that she has a lot of the cues that say "short sprinter" - even though she's so tall. By the way, Sanya has many of those same cues and would be a "triple-sub" if not for the 22.09.


I said a few months back that I thought Shawnae Miller would ultimately move down to the 100 and though she hasn't yet, her improvement at 200m seems to indicate that her greater success, imo, will ultimately be with the shorter sprints. She ran 22.45 (legal?) this weekend according to the article on the front page http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index. ... -nationals
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