What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history


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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby paw » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:59 am

Keino at home in the altitude in Kenya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXeZJ_JGf8
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby user4 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:41 am

Beamon's was a great jump. The fact is he was much better than the field and he was the obvious favorite for gold heading into Mexico City 1968.

The discussion regarding the improbability of the 2.0mps wind reading has been presented here and it is convincing. That WR should never have been recorded, it should have been a "w" . It still would have been recognized as one of the great jumps of the sport but it would not have distorted the record books for so long.

Question: was Mexico City the first time a synthetic runway was used in an Olympic games ? That is did Tokyo have a synthetic surface for the long jump ?

All in all Beamon's jump is at least one of the top 3 olympic long jumps ever. Owens and Lewis the likely others. Beside that Beamon was an absolutely great human being, a great American, on and off the track.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby fastpete » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:44 pm

On the track, in my opinion, the greatest is Harrison Dillard's gold-medal winning 100-meters @ London '48.

The world's best hurdler, but not close to #1 in the dash, Dillard defeated three men who had set 100y/100m WRs that season. In the spring, Mel Patton set the first 9.3 beating Lloyd LaBeach; then LaBeach and Barney Ewell each matched the 100m mark, Barney as he won the US Trials.

When Dillard failed to qualify for the Olympic team in his forte, but did qualify for the dash, a NY writer quipped, "Well, at least Dillard should enjoy the boat ride." No one in the World expected he could beat Patton, LaBeach, and Ewell, let alone all three.

For a hurdler to win the power event, and win it as decisively as did Dillard -- well, that's nothing short of spectacular. His 10.3 equalled Owens Olympic record -- and Harrison did that racing in the far lane against a headwind.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby catson52 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:05 pm

paw wrote:Keino at home in the altitude in Kenya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXeZJ_JGf8


Thanks for a great posting.

Too often forgotten re 1500m Final in Mexico City. Keino had run something over 20 km already; also supposedly ran a mile or so through the streets to reach the stadium in time for the final. Perhaps that is the best way to warm up for one of the greatest runs/races of all time!
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby paw » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:00 pm

Mexico City was of course high altitude,

Ryun ill in 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li22tlGp ... e=youtu.be



another year was 1967 in a non-altitude town of Los Angeles with a then healthy Ryun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FZsduHv1Y
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby spammer » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:18 pm

Powell beating Lewis in 91. Just thinking about it psychologically. He watches Lewis outjump the World Record, then comes back and breaks the world record, beats him, and puts up a mark that will last more than 25 years. Wow
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby dj » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:44 pm

spammer wrote:Powell beating Lewis in 91. Just thinking about it psychologically. He watches Lewis outjump the World Record, then comes back and breaks the world record, beats him, and puts up a mark that will last more than 25 years. Wow


not in the Olympics
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby kuha » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:13 am

paw wrote:Mexico City was of course high altitude,

Ryun ill in 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li22tlGp ... e=youtu.be

another year was 1967 in a non-altitude town of Los Angeles with a then healthy Ryun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FZsduHv1Y


That second link is great--way more of the 1966 2 mile than I have ever remembered seeing before. AND it provides visual evidence of the famous throwing-of-the-hat. That said, it is amazing how Ryun totally dominated Keino in every one of their head-to-head meetings before 1968--even at distances, such as this, that should have strongly favored the Kenyan.

As for the original question here. With some reluctance--because I know exactly how problematic it actually is--I'd have to go with Beamon's jump. Despite all its "issues," the performance was astounding on an athletic level AND incredibly potent among the larger public. Everyone knew of it and everyone talked about it--for years and years and years. How many other great performances actually do this?
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby mrbowie » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:54 pm

I don't know if it was the greatest, but Bob Mathias winning the Olympic decathlon at his tender age has got to rank right up there.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby berkeley » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:25 pm

Let's spice up this question a little - what was the greatest non-final performance in Olympic T&F history ?
I'll nominate Bert Cameron's 400m semi-final in 1984. He pulled up with a severe cramp at halfway (bad enough to knock him out of the final), slowed to a hobble, then picked it up again around the curve and qualified for the final.
Another candidate is Quincy Watts' semifinal in Barcelona - 43.71, the #2 time in history, in an event where you really ought to save yourself for the final.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby DoubleRBar » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:03 pm

He did. He ran 43.50 in the final.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby jdaman1998 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:25 am

I am sure this will get laughed at, but I think Rafer Johnson defeating CK Yang in the '60 Decathlon was the most riveting performance by both athletes I can remember (9 yr old kid at the time).
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby wallaby » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:12 pm

berkeley wrote:Let's spice up this question a little - what was the greatest non-final performance in Olympic T&F history ?
I'll nominate Bert Cameron's 400m semi-final in 1984. He pulled up with a severe cramp at halfway (bad enough to knock him out of the final), slowed to a hobble, then picked it up again around the curve and qualified for the final.
Another candidate is Quincy Watts' semifinal in Barcelona - 43.71, the #2 time in history, in an event where you really ought to save yourself for the final.


How about Mike Marsh cruising in the 1992 200 semi, basically jogging the last 10 metres, and running 19.73 - 1/100th off the world record (which had been set at altitude)?

As for best-ever, I always liked Gerd Wessig at the 1980 Olympics - setting a WR at the Olympics. I thought his style was the most attractive I've seen.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby bambam » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:39 pm

jdaman1998 wrote:I am sure this will get laughed at, but I think Rafer Johnson defeating CK Yang in the '60 Decathlon was the most riveting performance by both athletes I can remember (9 yr old kid at the time).


Good choice. No way to laugh at that.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby kuha » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:29 pm

berkeley wrote:Let's spice up this question a little - what was the greatest non-final performance in Olympic T&F history ?


For sheer quality and crazy audacity, I'd say the 1972 Olympic 10,000 heats.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby norunner » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:08 pm

If you don't take "performance" too literally, the behaviour of Luz Long towards Jesse Owens in Berlin 1936 was one of the greatest "performances" ever. Owens was considered non-human by the nazis and Luz Long first helped, then befriended this "non-human" in front of Hitler. It took an incredible amount of bravery to do so.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby Olli » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:11 pm

kuha wrote:
berkeley wrote:Let's spice up this question a little - what was the greatest non-final performance in Olympic T&F history ?


For sheer quality and crazy audacity, I'd say the 1972 Olympic 10,000 heats.


Yeah, but there was one who had no need to shine too early and reckoned that if being fourth is enough to get to the final why waste more energy.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:06 am

kuha wrote:
berkeley wrote:Let's spice up this question a little - what was the greatest non-final performance in Olympic T&F history ?


For sheer quality and crazy audacity, I'd say the 1972 Olympic 10,000 heats.


Yes, if I remember right Bedford and Puttemans having a discussion about going for the WR, or maybe just OR, and Puttemans wisely advising caution. Shorter the first American under 28.

It was a shame Bedford even did the 10. Strategies completely out of whack for the 10, but would have been wonderful in the 5. Running 4:15 for the first mile, like he did in the 10, in the 5k would have set up an awesome race. And Yifter finds the correct gate to get in. One of the great what-ifs.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby fastpete » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:49 am

Dillard 100-meters London '48.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby KDFINE » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:35 am

Its a horrible day outside and I've just read all the entries on this post. (Waiting for Men's AoY). There are a number of great performances that elicit the response of "yeah, that's a great one but what about?" I'm surprised that Mills' race in 1964 hasn't been offered into the discussion. It certainly was one of the most surprising results, in a quality race, with tension mounting, and an incredible last lap. I don't know if its the "greatest performance" or just the most "exciting" or the most "shocking."
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:33 pm

19.32 and 43.49. I don't know if we'll ever see that double again.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby Dave » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:18 pm

I would go with Rudisha. WR and all but one competitor gets a PR. That was probably the greatest race ever run.

After that, yes, Beamon is my second choice. Absolute perfection. The conditions may have helped him, but no one came remotely close in those same conditions on that day.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby tandfman » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:19 am

Dave wrote:I would go with Rudisha. WR and all but one competitor gets a PR. That was probably the greatest race ever run.

After that, yes, Beamon is my second choice. Absolute perfection. The conditions may have helped him, but no one came remotely close in those same conditions on that day.

They weren't exactly the same conditions. IIRC, right after his jump, it started to rain.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby user4 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:34 am

Too many to name; Thorpe, Owens, Billy Mills, John AB, many many more.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby KDFINE » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:59 am

I think User4 is correct in that there are too many wonderful competitions to choose from. This is too broad a topic. Its easier to think in terms of the most memorable competition for each event - Olympics, WC, or all competitions. I know that's one area my mind has wandered to on long runs. It certainly gives more room for thought (particularly during the down months now upon us - with apologies to anyone down under). Thinking this way could lead to a whole host of threads.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby houstonian » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:56 pm

it is a difficult choice. A single performance is hard to quantify as the best.
It is somewhat easier to quantify the single best performance by an individual during an OG, because volume, as well as quality, can be rationally measured for comparison.

So, my vote goes to Juantorena 800m, 400m, 4x400m 1976: WR, amazing times, unprecedented golden double in highly evolved events, and fabulous relay carry to cap off an amazing series of runs (8 total, i think).
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby rhymans » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:27 am

Lopenuupunut mentioned Nurmi's X-C win in 1924, and I think that could well rate as the greatest performance in Olympic history. Earlier in the Games Ritola had set a WR of 30:23.2 in winning the 10000m. Nurmi had let the Finnish authorities know that he was ready to run in that event but was told that he could not participate in the 10k. He felt he had a point to prove in the X-C. His win in 32:54.8 (as against Ritola's 34:19.4 - 3rd place was 35:21.0) suggests that Nurmi could have perhaps lapped Ritola in the 10000. The biggest winning margins in the Olympic 10000m have been Zatopek's 47.8 in 1948, Kolehmainen's 45.8 in 1912, and Ritola's 32.0. Nurmi's 1:24.6 margin in the X-C handily exceeds the combined margin of all the other 20 Olympic 10000m finals.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby bambam » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:07 am

rhymans wrote:Lopenuupunut mentioned Nurmi's X-C win in 1924, and I think that could well rate as the greatest performance in Olympic history. Earlier in the Games Ritola had set a WR of 30:23.2 in winning the 10000m. Nurmi had let the Finnish authorities know that he was ready to run in that event but was told that he could not participate in the 10k. He felt he had a point to prove in the X-C. His win in 32:54.8 (as against Ritola's 34:19.4 - 3rd place was 35:21.0) suggests that Nurmi could have perhaps lapped Ritola in the 10000. The biggest winning margins in the Olympic 10000m have been Zatopek's 47.8 in 1948, Kolehmainen's 45.8 in 1912, and Ritola's 32.0. Nurmi's 1:24.6 margin in the X-C handily exceeds the combined margin of all the other 20 Olympic 10000m finals.


Great choice, Richard. That was also the day that it was so hot that half the field didn't finish.
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Re: What was the greatest performance in TnF Olympic history

Postby trackinblack2 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:05 am

pinoyathletics.com wrote:Flo Jo Destroying the world record in the 200m dash in 1988.


Check it out,FloJo 1988 but Bob Beamon 1968 record still stands as the Olympic Record.
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