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discrepancies in lists

Postby aaronk » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:14 pm

Are the following discrepancies in the lists provided on this site, or are they mistakes?

On the "Leaders" list, under HS girls, Taylor and Rhodes are listed as having PV'ed 13-10.
On the Top 40 HS list, they have 13-6 and 13-7 as their best.

Under US Women in the 3K, Mary Cain's 9:04.51, which was officially timed in Boston, is NOT listed. It should be #2 to Chelsea Reilly's 8:53.
(Her enroute time in her one mile IS included....in fact, LEADS the nation!!
So why isn't her enroute 3K time included also??)

Dior Hall had an 8.17 60H time on last week's HS list.
Then it disappeared.
Now it's back!
Did she, or did she not, run an 8.17 this winter??
On the Leaders list, Sasha Wallace's 8.24 is given as the HS leader, not Hall's 8.17.

There might be others, but the above I noticed right away.
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby dj » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:28 pm

Without tracking down each of your details, different people do different lists and at different times. They don't always have each other's information, and even if they do, they might have compiled their lists on different dates so that something the doesn't make one list, might make the other a day or more later.
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby aaronk » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:42 pm

dj wrote:Without tracking down each of your details, different people do different lists and at different times. They don't always have each other's information, and even if they do, they might have compiled their lists on different dates so that something the doesn't make one list, might make the other a day or more later.


That could explain the PV marks I gave.
The Leaders list (the one that has them at 13-10, was done today, the 22nd, and the HS list, with the 13-6 and 13-7, ended as of Feb 20th!!

However, that does NOT explain the discrepancies as to Cain's 9:04.51 NOT being on the US list (She ran it before the date of the list!!), nor does it explain Dior Hall's supposed 8.17 being on one list, but not the other.......since she apparently ran that 8.17 at least one week....or more.....ago!!
(Also before the list's deadlines!!)
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby dj » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:10 pm

You only read one part of my explanation. Remember these two parts:

1) "different people do different lists";
2) "They don't always have each other's information."
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:33 am

According to the World Leaders list, men's, it appears Aman has SHATTERED the WR for 1000, with a time of 2:07.05!!!

Congratulations, Mr Aman!! :P

(Of course, it's a typo!! He ran 2:17.05!!)
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby gh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:59 am

dj wrote:You only read one part of my explanation. Remember these two parts:

1) "different people do different lists";
2) "They don't always have each other's information."


And even more importantly, you need to check the dates. The leaders are updated pretty much on a daily basis, the lists only once a week. So it's not at all uncommon for a leader mark not to be on a list. (which doesn't, of course, excuse a couple of legitimately bad glitches that did sneak through :( )
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:30 pm

The 13'10 PV marks came from a club meet in Texas. Various PV clubs in TX have been on a rotation of having meets every weekend, all indoor season and most of them are terrible about getting the results out, even to me.
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:44 pm

polevaultpower wrote:The 13'10 PV marks came from a club meet in Texas. Various PV clubs in TX have been on a rotation of having meets every weekend, all indoor season and most of them are terrible about getting the results out, even to me.


More interesting than the knowledge these girls vaulted 13-10 is the idea of "club" meets, especially centering on one event.....in this case, the PV.

Sounds like those specialized meets Germany has for the HJ, or some of the Weights Only competitions some throwers (Al Feuerbach? Mac Wilkins??) have put on in the past here in the States.

Maybe that's the solution (or part of it!) toward improvement in some events we're weak in.

How about weekly meets for the SC, the JT, the HT, etc??

Are these Texas PV meets "open" meets......for pro's, collegians, and high schoolers??
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:19 pm

aaronk wrote:Are these Texas PV meets "open" meets......for pro's, collegians, and high schoolers??


The ones around Christmas tend to have more college/open athletes, the rest have a few here and there, and some junior high/elementary vaulters too.

So yes, generally they are open meets, but primarily attended by high schoolers.
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Re: discrepancies in lists

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:06 am

aaronk wrote:More interesting than the knowledge these girls vaulted 13-10 is the idea of "club" meets, especially centering on one event.....in this case, the PV.


Good (or adequate) pole vault facilities, combined with officials (many taken from the vaulters, if necessary) and the right frame of mind all work into it. The vaulters I see often are a bit like multi-event peole; there is a lot of camaraderie, which also makes the events fun. And, because it is such a technical event there is a lot to learn and 'learning by doing' is important.

Finally, especially for the women, you have to continually learn new ways of doing the vault because what works to get you started at 6-7 feet does not at 8-9 feet, and at 10-11 your are doing things a bit differently. It is tough some times to try to learn the things that will help you at the next set of heights rather than where you are now. I would be interested on Becca's take on this.
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