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Millrose 600m

Postby Track Scenes » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:00 pm

Millrose 600m was a more interesting race than most have mentioned. 5 800m runners against 1 400m runner. Symmonds wasn't even a threat in this race. Duane Solomon definitely didn't look to be going for any world record here. He mentioned he thought he went out too fast? How else did he expect to go for the world record? And his coach said he was going 46 in practice coming through the 400m so how was 48 too fast for him? And this guy Jarrin Solomon?? The focus was on Duane and Nick but looks like no one took into account this guy. If Duane hadnt kept blocking him I think he could have won that race. Jarrin Solomon clearly has foot speed and strength and being that he was the only 400m runner in the race who stepped up in distance while everyone else stepped down shows that he is great shape and will be a force this outdoor season. Looking forward to more from this guy. All top 3 should be proud of the times they posted in this race.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby aaronk » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:13 pm

This is your first post here??
Welcome!!
It's fun.....sometimes! :D

Anyway, about the 600.
Did you see the thread I began a few hours ago....about the women's 600 at Millrose??
I called Montano's run the best of all the Millrose results.....and there were plenty of really great ones!!

In the men's race, Sowinski was further from the WR than Montano was.
Montano was just 0.15 from the WR.
Sowinski was about 0.49 from it??

Also, Montano's last 300 or so was pretty much a solo effort.
Sowinski had some real competition.

While that maybe makes the men's 600 a better RACE....Montano's TIME was the best!!
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Track Scenes » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:22 pm

I just thought it was interesting how the media dished up this whole battle between Symmonds and D. Solomon and never mentioned the other great talent in the race. They kept talking about Symmonds Olympic credentials but failed to mention there was another person in the race with an Olympic Bronze Medal as well.

And as far as the woman's race, yes Montano was impressive. She beat the American record by 3 seconds or something ridiculous and was very close to the world record. But it goes to show that the Women's 600m records are weak in comparison to the mens. To beat the American record by that much and threaten the world record without any competition just proves that those records arent that stiff. Not to take away from what Montano did or anything, but personally I think the men being half a second off the WR is far more impressive than being .15 seconds off for Montano.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby aaronk » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:32 pm

One thing about Duane Solomon and Nick Symmonds:

Symmonds is sort of like the male version of Lolo Jones!!
Solomon, while perhaps a better runner than Symmonds, gets less publicity and media play than Nick does.

Symmonds rep is built as much on his personality and life style as his running.
Solomon gets all of his rep through his fast feet!!

So of course Symmonds will be talked about more than Solomon.
But that doesn't make him the better runner.

Actually, with his HUGE breakthrough last year, I think Solomon has a LOT more potential than Symmonds.
(Didn't he improve his 800 time by about 3 whole seconds last year?? Symmonds improved by about 1 second.)
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby gh » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:34 pm

I thought Solomon's pacing was pretty good if he was going for the WR.

His 1:15.70 in Scotland had left him c0.6 behind Motchebon's mark and in NYC he was about 0.2 up on his AR pace at the 200 and 0.4 up at the 400.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:02 am

In the men's 600, there was a lot of Lane 2 running that probably slowed times, although the partial drafting helped (but drafting behind in Lane 1 would both help more and lead to less distance run). The advantage of the 'solo' run in Montano's case was that she did not run much extra distance except when she went to shoulder and then passed, Latavia Thomas, her surprising rabbit.

Given how Montano and Erica Moore both race (hard, then fade a bit at the end compared to other 800 runners), it would not be a surprising if they were better at the 600 than at 800.

As for Symmonds, the 600 is unlikely to be his cup of tea -- someone whose style is to close at the end is not going to be helped by a race that goes out fast and does not have as much a slow down for as many meters is not going to help him. Also, his 1500 is superior to his 400. And, I think Solomon benefits by having Symmonds around. Nick brings attention to the event in the US, and yet major sponsors are likely a bit wary of him, so that Duane might get better support than otherwise.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby nunusguy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:33 am

Montanao was tremendous as she was practically unopposed which makes her performance even more impressive since she had no one pushing her, but I wonder how much activity the Womens
600 gets, whereas the mens 600 is a regular indoor event annually in Mens T&F ?
But Symmonds was out of the race almost immediately it seemed, while the Sowinski kid made a
stirring finish at the tape to win an exciting mens event.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby user4 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:29 pm

Track Scenes wrote:Millrose 600m was a more interesting race than most have mentioned. 5 800m runners against 1 400m runner. Symmonds wasn't even a threat in this race. Duane Solomon definitely didn't look to be going for any world record here. He mentioned he thought he went out too fast? How else did he expect to go for the world record? And his coach said he was going 46 in practice coming through the 400m so how was 48 too fast for him? And this guy Jarrin Solomon?? The focus was on Duane and Nick but looks like no one took into account this guy. If Duane hadnt kept blocking him I think he could have won that race. Jarrin Solomon clearly has foot speed and strength and being that he was the only 400m runner in the race who stepped up in distance while everyone else stepped down shows that he is great shape and will be a force this outdoor season. Looking forward to more from this guy. All top 3 should be proud of the times they posted in this race.


Im not surprised that you and I were the only ones that saw Jarrin Solomon as the big story in that race! great minds think alike ;)
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Jacksf » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:04 pm

aaronk wrote:One thing about Duane Solomon and Nick Symmonds:

Symmonds is sort of like the male version of Lolo Jones!!
Solomon, while perhaps a better runner than Symmonds, gets less publicity and media play than Nick does.

Symmonds rep is built as much on his personality and life style as his running.
Solomon gets all of his rep through his fast feet!!

So of course Symmonds will be talked about more than Solomon.
But that doesn't make him the better runner.

Actually, with his HUGE breakthrough last year, I think Solomon has a LOT more potential than Symmonds.
(Didn't he improve his 800 time by about 3 whole seconds last year?? Symmonds improved by about 1 second.)


Up until 2012 Symmonds was the better runner, and 6 time US Champion. So I think the publicity he receives is well deserved. More so than Lolo Jones.
His rep is solidly based in his record.
However, the media does pick up on some athletes to promote. But I don't Symmonds himself has done anything outside of running to promote himself....has he?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:14 pm

Lolo came within a half and inch of being Olympic Champion, and she was fourth. her record in US championships is not as good as NS's but the 100h is possibly the most competitive event out there, at least in terms of the top runners going head-to-head (-to-head-to-head...).
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Peter Michaelson » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:38 pm

For what it is worth, Sowinski's 600 is 1196 IAAF points. Montano's 600 is 1211 points.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Fortius19 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:03 pm

Peter Michaelson wrote:For what it is worth, Sowinski's 600 is 1196 IAAF points. Montano's 600 is 1211 points.


Nice. Thanks for that info.

Wish she had gotten the WR (WB) though.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby gh » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:06 pm

and the IAAF points in this case are worth SFA (a quick google search says that equates to SF Austin, but guess what, that's not where I'm going).

Indeed, IAAF points have that same value in all events.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby ATK » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:28 pm

26mi235 wrote:Lolo came within a half and inch of being Olympic Champion...

Sorry to go off topic, but which Olympics was this?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:51 pm

ATK wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Lolo came within a half and inch of being Olympic Champion...

Sorry to go off topic, but which Olympics was this?


At the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Jones was favored to win the 100 meter hurdles. In the final, she was pulling away from the pack when she clipped the 9th hurdle (of 10) and stumbled, breaking stride to drop her back to a 7th-place finish.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_hurdles
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby ATK » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26 am

26mi235 wrote:
ATK wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Lolo came within a half and inch of being Olympic Champion...

Sorry to go off topic, but which Olympics was this?


At the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Jones was favored to win the 100 meter hurdles. In the final, she was pulling away from the pack when she clipped the 9th hurdle (of 10) and stumbled, breaking stride to drop her back to a 7th-place finish.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_hurdles

Still confused...That's was hardly half an inch, literally or figuratively.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby aaronk » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:13 am

ATK wrote:
26mi235 wrote:
ATK wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Lolo came within a half and inch of being Olympic Champion...

Sorry to go off topic, but which Olympics was this?


At the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Jones was favored to win the 100 meter hurdles. In the final, she was pulling away from the pack when she clipped the 9th hurdle (of 10) and stumbled, breaking stride to drop her back to a 7th-place finish.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_hurdles

Still confused...That's was hardly half an inch, literally or figuratively.


My guess is.......if she had lifted her legs one-half inch more over the hurdle, she wouldn't have clipped it....thus, no stumble, no break of stride, and VOILA!.....she's Olympic Champion!!! :P
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Peter Michaelson » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:00 am

gh:

What method do you prefer for such comparisons?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Peter Michaelson » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:13 am

By the way, I found this site to look up acronyms:

http://www.acronymattic.com/SFA.html

On that site, I did not see the Urban Dictionary definition that I believe is the one gh referenced. The Urban Dictionary version has the "A" standing for a certain hole in the body other than the mouth, nose, ear, or skin pore

Any Senior Field Agents or Stochastic Frontier Approach or Seychelles Fishing Authority folks out there who have some ideas about comparing men and women 600m performances?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Track Scenes » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:43 am

I agree that Jarrin Solomon was the biggest story and definitely overlooked here. Being that he was the only 400m runner in the race I figured he would have received more attention for the way he ran.
If this race was any indication of things to come, Jarrin will be one of the top 400m runners this year in the world. Heck, hes already 6th in the world indoor. A shame though that he hasnt received more attention from this race.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby exdrake » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:07 am

Peter Michaelson wrote:By the way, I found this site to look up acronyms:

http://www.acronymattic.com/SFA.html

On that site, I did not see the Urban Dictionary definition that I believe is the one gh referenced. The Urban Dictionary version has the "A" standing for a certain hole in the body other than the mouth, nose, ear, or skin pore

Any Senior Field Agents or Stochastic Frontier Approach or Seychelles Fishing Authority folks out there who have some ideas about comparing men and women 600m performances?


OMG Did you post this just to identify my biggest pet peeve? There is a difference between initials and an acronym.SFA are initials.

A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar ...

Acronyms and - Acronym Dictionary - Acronym legal definition of ... - Acronym Hell
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby exdrake » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:09 am

I should quickly correct myself--they are LETTERS (as opposed to S.F.A which would be initials)
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Peter Michaelson » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:46 pm

exduke:

It would help me understand the distinction between initials, letters, and acronyms if you would complete some of your sentences. In the sentence where you mention radar, do you consider radar/RADAR to be an acronym? In the sentence that contains "Acronym Hell" I'm not sure what you are saying.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:22 pm

Did anyone get 500m or 600y splits?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby wineturtle » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:19 am

24 posts in Erik Sowinski's name has been mentioned only three times. Erik Sowinski set the American Best not the guy trying to date Paris Hilton, not any of the Solomons and not a member of the Ladies Bobsled team. We have a young man, Erik Sowinski, ranked 10th by T&F news in the 800, back from a couple of good performances in Europe besting a pretty solid indoor field and the story is about the other guys?
No doubt the other things mentioned are important to the story, no doubt Erik Sowinski's win was not as important as the others failure to win, no doubt it was important to ESPN to have the guy who failed to bed Paris Hilton give "this guy" props in the victory interview, no doubt by IAAF points Erik Sowinski was further from the WR than someone in another event.
Well Erik I noticed you done good and I bet deep down all my fellow posters feel the same but you know sometimes the story gets lost in the story.
Nice race Erik Sowinski--- Congratulations on your win!


end rant :oops:
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:38 am

There was some discussion of Sowinski in another thread. I commented about his Big Ten and NCAA performances last year. One reason that he was not as 'notable' is that he came up at a time when there was an explosion of US 800 runners (note the two 1:42s) in both the pros and the college scene (without a lot of fanfare at the high school level).
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby ATK » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:18 pm

Casimir Loxsom has run 1:15.42 to win the Big 10 championship. Would it be an AR though since its an Oversized track?
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:34 pm

ATK wrote:Casimir Loxsom has run 1:15.42 to win the Big 10 championship. Would it be an AR though since its an Oversized track?


Well, at 600, the high-banked 200m tracks are about as fast as the Oversized Tracks... American Best, and this time a bit of a gap.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:49 pm

ATK wrote:Casimir Loxsom has run 1:15.42 to win the Big 10 championship. Would it be an AR though since its an Oversized track?


Doesn't qualify.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby gh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:54 pm

26mi235 wrote:
ATK wrote:Casimir Loxsom has run 1:15.42 to win the Big 10 championship. Would it be an AR though since its an Oversized track?


Well, at 600, the high-banked 200m tracks are about as fast as the Oversized Tracks..


You may believe it, and the NCAA obviously does, but the jury remains out.
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Re: Millrose 600m

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:11 pm

gh, you indicated (I think) that the banked 200s were better for the sprints while the OTs were better for the distances and maybe for the mid-distances (especially the mile). However, the 600 is sort of 'in between' with a speed of 25 seconds/200, which is faster than virtually all the women can run for 400 indoors on a fast 200 banked track that is 'considered' faster than the OTs. However, some of the sprint advantage might be the downhill run you get in the 200 and 400.
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