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Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby lovetorun » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:20 pm

I clicked into the results link on the front page that advertized Rupp's 3:50.92 mile in the New Balance Games..and got a result of a 3:56.90 race won by Craig Miller...what happened?
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby guru » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:35 pm

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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:35 pm

lovetorun wrote:I clicked into the results link on the front page that advertized Rupp's 3:50.92 mile in the New Balance Games..and got a result of a 3:56.90 race won by Craig Miller...what happened?


Rupp's mile wasn't at the New Balance games. It was at the Terrier Invitational.

Miller won the mile at the New Balance games.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby guru » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:40 pm

Incidentally, I think there may be some confusion here between the Neww Balance Games, which were held yesterday at the New York Armory, and the New Balance Grand Prix, which is NEXT week in Boston. Rupp, of course, ran in Boston THIS week, at Boston University.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby lovetorun » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:51 pm

Thanks all...got it.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Dave » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:24 pm

Am I overly impressed at a 3:50.92 mile indoor by a 10,000 guy? That seems like phenomenal range. Should we be expecting another American record in the 10k this year?
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby aaronk » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:53 pm

Dave wrote:Am I overly impressed at a 3:50.92 mile indoor by a 10,000 guy? That seems like phenomenal range. Should we be expecting another American record in the 10k this year?


A 3:50.92 indoors by ANYone is impressive!!
But, realistically, Rupp probably hit his 1500 at about 3:34.....which is VERY close to what he ran last year. Thus, no real improvement!
Also, his last 440 was apparently only 58 secs!! That's NOT going to scare any Kenyans or anyone else who's capable of finishing in 55 or less!!
His one mile time would have more impact on his 5K than his 10K!!
I think he CAN get the AR in the 5K...if Lagat doesn't get it first!!

Whatever the case, 3:50.92 is a damn good time!!
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Dave » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:39 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dave wrote:Am I overly impressed at a 3:50.92 mile indoor by a 10,000 guy? That seems like phenomenal range. Should we be expecting another American record in the 10k this year?


A 3:50.92 indoors by ANYone is impressive!!
But, realistically, Rupp probably hit his 1500 at about 3:34.....which is VERY close to what he ran last year. Thus, no real improvement!
Also, his last 440 was apparently only 58 secs!! That's NOT going to scare any Kenyans or anyone else who's capable of finishing in 55 or less!!
His one mile time would have more impact on his 5K than his 10K!!
I think he CAN get the AR in the 5K...if Lagat doesn't get it first!!

Whatever the case, 3:50.92 is a damn good time!!


The last lap may not scare the top guys, but this feels like he could put together a really bruising 1200 at the end of a 10000. Also, if he ran 58 seconds, then it looks like he went out too fast. Was he on a 3:48/9 pace?
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby gibson » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:28 am

with more racing and sharpening - rupp could go 349 flat.
you know he's been doing, what 120 miles a week?, and backed off to 85 for just 2 weeeks to achieve the 3:50.9

come summer,

this means that 12:45 5k is on.
and that sub 7:30 3k is on too.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:55 am

for where rupp is in his training, he should be happy with 3:50


the first 200 is where they got behind chasing the lagat mark

then rupp was just sitting on the two rabbits


it was really a team time trial till the two pacers were done, and rupp took it up on his own

he doesn't have the lagat jets in the end, so not breaking the mark doesn't surprise

but for moscow, projecting from where he is now, he should have confidence
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby aaronk » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:11 am

Just as Mary Cain has been compared to Mary Slaney, so too might Galen Rupp be compared to the legendary Steve Prefontaine!

How?

In their range of times!!

Pre ran:
3:54.6 mile
5:01.4 2000
7:42.6 3000
13:22.6 5000 (but a 12:51.4 3 mile, which was "faster" than a 13:22 equivalent!!)
27:43.6 10000

Rupp is equally wide-ranging, with great marks from 1500 to 10K!!
(Of course, much faster than Pre, whose career (and very sadly, his LIFE!!!) ended almost 38 years ago!!)

Heck, Rupp might be in the "legend" category soon!!
(Nah!! Pre's personality and "James Dean"-like death had LOTS to do with making him a legend!!)
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Marlow » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:25 am

gibson wrote:come summer,
this means that 12:45 5k is on.
and that sub 7:30 3k is on too.

THIS kind of speculation is a lot more 'acceptable' to me than the MCain stuff.
If he does a serious mile outdoors (why do I get the feeling that he will NOT?), I see 3:48 fo'sho. The AR in the 3 (and 2M!), 5, and 10 (again) are ON! :D
The WRs are outta reach, but who's gonna be surprised if he doesn't acquit himself admirably in Moscow (hint, hint)?
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:28 am

whoa pre and rupp

ones a rock star

the other a pop singer

imagine pre in todays social world if he was a megastar while alive

what would he be today

rupp on the track can measure up, but PRE is more off the track for me
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby odelltrclan » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:33 am

aaronk wrote:
Dave wrote:Am I overly impressed at a 3:50.92 mile indoor by a 10,000 guy? That seems like phenomenal range. Should we be expecting another American record in the 10k this year?


A 3:50.92 indoors by ANYone is impressive!!
But, realistically, Rupp probably hit his 1500 at about 3:34.....which is VERY close to what he ran last year. Thus, no real improvement!
Also, his last 440 was apparently only 58 secs!! That's NOT going to scare any Kenyans or anyone else who's capable of finishing in 55 or less!!
His one mile time would have more impact on his 5K than his 10K!!
I think he CAN get the AR in the 5K...if Lagat doesn't get it first!!

Whatever the case, 3:50.92 is a damn good time!!


I AM very impressed. This is Rupp's year.

1. Rupp hit 3:34 en route, finish likely would have been below 3:34 in a 1500 race.

2. It is January! They only decided to make this run/attempt because of the discover of his fitness being so high. He has not been training specifically for miling. Salazar mentioned in an interview that they decided to go try this because he did a 3:58 mile at the end of one of their grueling workouts and thus determined his fitness was high. Salazar also mentioned that Rupp is doing things in workouts right now that he has never seen any athlete do, ever, including Mo Farah.

3. Rupp has already shown the ability to close in 52, 53 in longer races. How he closes in a mile time trial has no relevance to what the Kenyans might think of his finishing prowess. All but one guy last year saw his backside in his primary event. They are all wary of him now as it is.

If he gets in the right races I think Rupp gets the AR in the 5k this year Irrespective of what Lagat does. I see Rupp at 12:45 & 26:30 or better this year. I see him as the guy to beat in the 10k at worlds this year.

They asked him after the race how he can still be hungry after getting the silver at Olympics and he noted [paraphrasing] that he is not satisfied with being second best. Still room for improvement.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby lionelp1 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:44 am

Goodness, you posters have finally woken up to Rupp's performance which was totally ignored when I posted on the current thread, called "2013 indoor results" . The next half a dozen or so posts after my drawing attention to Rupps Boston race were all about some athletes a little less significant than what Rupp had achieved. :( Weird lot you posters.!
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:45 am

after last year i agree the sky is the limit for galen rupp

the salazar approach has been proven it work, with farah the exta proof

agree on the 52,53 finish

k bekele was always a concern, but he;s not 100% any lomger

will rupp do both 5k and 10k in moscow

the object there will be winning
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Marlow » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:44 am

lionelp1 wrote:Goodness, you posters have finally woken up to Rupp's performance which was totally ignored when I posted on the current thread, called "2013 indoor results" . The next half a dozen or so posts after my drawing attention to Rupps Boston race were all about some athletes a little less significant than what Rupp had achieved. :( Weird lot you posters.!

Well, luckily we have YOU now to keep us abreast of the important stuff . . .
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby TN1965 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:04 pm

odelltrclan wrote:1. Rupp hit 3:34 en route, finish likely would have been below 3:34 in a 1500 race.


It is also harder to run 3:34 on an indoor track than outdoor.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:35 pm

TN1965 wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:1. Rupp hit 3:34 en route, finish likely would have been below 3:34 in a 1500 race.


It is also harder to run 3:34 on an indoor track than outdoor.


This is especially true in a competitive race where energy is spent positioning before/on turns. However, for a time trial, I am not so sure that the best indoor tracks lose too much to good outdoor tracks. Also, there are some 'natural' indoor runners who lose less than the rest of us.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Dutra5 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:32 pm

aaronk wrote:But, realistically, Rupp probably hit his 1500 at about 3:34.....which is VERY close to what he ran last year. Thus, no real improvement!


Say what? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby odelltrclan » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:27 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:But, realistically, Rupp probably hit his 1500 at about 3:34.....which is VERY close to what he ran last year. Thus, no real improvement!


Say what? :lol: :lol:


Yeah! For some people, time is the end all be all. The 3:34.75 Rupp ran last year was a fairly large improvement at the time. He also was in a competitive race and, if I recall correctly, ran down Robby Andrews and nipped him at the line, and thus had someone in a competitive race to help bring him there.

This race was a January race, only his second race of the year, and pretty much a time trial, with no one to help him along in the the last 400. The equivalent was about 1 second better than that 1500 but, given the circumstances, it shows more room for improvement ahead. I could see a 3:32 or maybe even 3:31 for Rupp if he really wanted to go after it. That for a 10,000 specialist. Not many guys in the history of the sport have shown the kind of speed from 1,500 to 10,000 that he has already shown at both. He ran his 26:48 in 2011. He has shown improvement in 2012 and from Salazar's comments, he is at the highest level he has ever been. So who could doubt some serious improvement at the 10k this year. Problem is, getting in a race where you can show it. The 10k is almost a dead event nowadays outside of championship races. So unless he picks a race to go for time, we may not see what he is truly capable of.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby lovetorun » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:56 am

odelltrclan...nice analysis...right on the money. Rupp is the most exciting USA distance runner to come around for some time. He truly can compete (and defeat) with the East African's...never thought it would happen, but, in Rupp's case, it has. :)
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:21 am

i,m giving salazar a ton of credit in bringing rupp along


give salazar talent and he'll get the very best out of it

do you happen to know who rupp is scheduled to race next weekend
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby odelltrclan » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:32 am

az2004 wrote:i,m giving salazar a ton of credit in bringing rupp along


give salazar talent and he'll get the very best out of it

do you happen to know who rupp is scheduled to race next weekend


He is slated to run the 3000 at the New Balance Indoor games. Among those participating are Dejen Gebremeskel and Hagos Gebrhiwet and Garrett Heath. Should be a great race!
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:48 am

the ethiopians will sit and kick..

they'll try to get the jump on galen

rupp going with 600 to go to get his jump on them might be wht salazar has him do
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby gibson » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:06 pm

salazar, through painful trial and error has developed into the finest coach. anyone who knew him from years ago has to be surprised with this great evolution of character. back in the day, al-sal said and did stupid things my friends.

salazar's is effectively working on things like ankle and foot strength, nutrition, altitude simulation, form, relaxation and has a proper sports medicine program - legal - that rivals the epo programs (including africans, europeans) rampantly (same as lance) used from the mid 90's to the late 2000's. in other words, he's leveled the playing field on the africans. the africans will have to train smarter or they will be surpassed by guys like rupp.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:00 pm

Salazar says Rupp's in his best shape ever!!
Demonstration of that came with his 3:50.92 mile!!
Here's hoping he won't waste his fitness on a tactical 7:45'ish-7:50'ish race this weekend.

Would love to see him take it from the gun and go for a sub-7:30!!
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:29 am

rupps strength from last weekend make me excited what he is capable on saturday

sub 7:30 is a scary time, but i think itwill be hammer time

whatever he ends of running i'd be happy with

it's all prep for moscow though

des moines trials could be very tough, it isn't eugene weather wise, so he'll need a good 4-6 weeks in heat/humidity

but moscow in eugene, although it can have some humdity the temps arent scary
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:10 am

aaronk wrote:Salazar says Rupp's in his best shape ever!!
Demonstration of that came with his 3:50.92 mile!!
Here's hoping he won't waste his fitness on a tactical 7:45'ish-7:50'ish race this weekend.

Would love to see him take it from the gun and go for a sub-7:30!!


He has to have the strength and speed to race championship races successfully. Running a race really fast will demonstrate that he has the wheels but will not really change the fact that he has or does not have the wheels.

Championship races require racing tactics and their dynamic implementation. You get that in races and only in races. He is better off racing than going for time trials. The comment above indicates that the poster thinks Salazar has become a (the?) top coach -- that means learning how to win top races. Don't be so short sighted to think that you know better than Salazar does what Rupp needs. That might mean that you are disappointed that fast times are not his primary objective. I do not think that he will make chasing WRs a primary objective.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:07 am

if we use farah as the model, i think it's all about winning

being able to deal with the top africans at the end of races, i see the salazar model beingthe final 1k of the race being hard enough so his guys, farah and rupp max their chances

whether the move to win comes at 600 or 1000, it will be decisive

the rupp 3:50 mile is a step in building

if it doesn't get the lagat mark, neither rupp nor salazar will be overly concerned

it's all a step to bigger things
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby lovetorun » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:48 am

Agree 100%...dealing with race tactics and learning how to win in any scenerio is much more valuable than just running fast. :)
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby aaronk » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:48 am

lovetorun wrote:Agree 100%...dealing with race tactics and learning how to win in any scenerio is much more valuable than just running fast. :)


Hate (or love??? :P ) to have to offer a rebuttal, but.....
isn't "running as fast as you can, especially if you're in GREAT shape and just ran a 3:50.92 mile, and have SUPER confidence in your ability....
isn't running fast from the gun ALSO considered a 'race tactic"??

Seems someone named David Rudisha used just such a "tactic" in his WR OG race a few months ago!!
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:14 am

let's take team tactics in the upcming moscow worlds
10k

the kenyans tend to be surge with the goal to break open the race or soften it up for one of their guys

if the ethiopians can sit and make one move at the end with a superiror kick, the likes of geb or k bekele are the model

salazar has trained rupp and farah to deal with these 2 approaches

rudeisha has a different event the 800, his strength is the key to maintain a very hard pace

the 800 or 10k. having the strength seems to be vital to success
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:18 am

aaronk wrote:
lovetorun wrote:Agree 100%...dealing with race tactics and learning how to win in any scenerio is much more valuable than just running fast. :)


Hate (or love??? :P ) to have to offer a rebuttal, but.....
isn't "running as fast as you can, especially if you're in GREAT shape and just ran a 3:50.92 mile, and have SUPER confidence in your ability....
isn't running fast from the gun ALSO considered a 'race tactic"??

Seems someone named David Rudisha used just such a "tactic" in his WR OG race a few months ago!!


No, " running fast from the gun ALSO considered a 'race tactic" is a race strategy, not a racing tactic -- as a strategy it works fine when you are much better than your opponents and would likely win anyway. When you are not much better than they are (the situation everyone is in at the top levels) it is almost always a poor strategy.

Rudisha is a cut above the rest and did succeed at the OGs, but the same strategy the next race cost him, didn't it. For him, it is not good strategy to have it go slow so that everyone is still in it with 200 to go, but even there he is reputed to have possibly the best 400 capability and he might do pretty well letting other race plans play out.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 am

26mi235 wrote:No, " running fast from the gun ALSO considered a 'race tactic" is a race strategy, not a racing tactic -- as a strategy it works fine when you are much better than your opponents and would likely win anyway. When you are not much better than they are (the situation everyone is in at the top levels) it is almost always a poor strategy.

Rudisha is a cut above the rest and did succeed at the OGs, but the same strategy the next race cost him, didn't it. For him, it is not good strategy to have it go slow so that everyone is still in it with 200 to go, but even there he is reputed to have possibly the best 400 capability and he might do pretty well letting other race plans play out.


Not to mention the fact that the benefits of drafting for an 800, especially with staggered starts pale in comparison to what benefits you get / or lose in a 5k or 10k. There are simply few guys, if any at the current level who could count on breaking away in top level races. With teamwork sacrificing for their "captain" perhaps, but not individually. Hence most guys waiting until the final 3 or 4 laps to show their strategies.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby az2004 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:15 am

a championship style race has far more surging than a diamond league race where the pacers are all set out for a fastt race

i prefer the championship race, where you wont know exactly who will do what when, although we tend to know who the sitters are

the daegu 10k, i recollect thinking farah had the race won with 200 to go

a 10k has so many moves, enjoying who makes the early pace, the variety of attempts to

match this up with a diamond league race

the gebremeskel - rupp style race in boston is also a race to enjoy

but neither is 100% now wait till august

and i think thisis RUPP year
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Dave » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:23 pm

Marlow wrote:
lionelp1 wrote:Goodness, you posters have finally woken up to Rupp's performance which was totally ignored when I posted on the current thread, called "2013 indoor results" . The next half a dozen or so posts after my drawing attention to Rupps Boston race were all about some athletes a little less significant than what Rupp had achieved. :( Weird lot you posters.!

Well, luckily we have YOU now to keep us abreast of the important stuff . . .


Until Rupp went sub 27 and then won the silver medal, I had great hopes. Now I have great expectations. Now we have this indoor mile to validate those expectations. It will be fascinating to see what he can do this year. He is clearly in wonderful form.
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby no one » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:54 pm

26mi235 wrote:Running a race really fast will demonstrate that he has the wheels but will not really change the fact that he has or does not have the wheels.


I'm not following this ... maybe I'm really getting old (which I am)
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Re: Couldn't find Rupp's 3:50.92 results...

Postby Marlow » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:04 pm

no one wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Running a race really fast will demonstrate that he has the wheels but will not really change the fact that he has or does not have the wheels.

I'm not following this ... maybe I'm really getting old (which I am)

That's because 26m had a blotclot occluding his logic-artery. :D
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