A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)


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A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain got 6!)

Postby aaronk » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:31 pm

This thread's title means: Will we see a record number of records broken--WR's, Collegiate, and HS--this indoor season??
Well, obviously, this depends on two main factors: Whether enough meets offer the events, and who gives them a try!
Here's my take--the "possible" records, and 1 or 2 people who COULD break them...IF!!

WR--men

60......Blake, Bolt (probably won't race indoors)
200....an easy record for the "B" boys from Jamaica.....IF
800....Several candidates to break Kipketer's mark.....ALL from the OG race!!
1000....Will they (see 800) take a shot??
2 mile....Only if the top tier guys run it!!
60H.....Merritt's 12.80 translate to a sub-7.30??
TJ.....Taylor or Claye here. Maybe Tamgho??
Hept....Eaton again??

WR--women

200...Can Felix best Ottey's mark??
400...Kratochvilova's 49.59 is 31 years old!! SRR?? A Russian??
2 mile.....Defar could get her own record, IF....
5000....Ditto here!! Add Kipyego, Dibaba et al.
60H......Pearson, Harper, Wells??
HJ....Chicherova, one of the Americans?
PV....Will Isi best Isi?? Suhr breakthrough??


Collegiate--men

1000--a vulnerable mark....would take a 1:48.00 with a 31.52 last 200
5000....Lalang gets his own mark??
Wt.....Is Colin McCullough in college?? Best bet!!

Collegiate---women

60......English Gardner
200.....Kim Duncan?
1500....Hasay, in her final collegiate indoor season?
5000....Hasay here too, but hopefully on a 200 meter track!!
HJ.....Barrett!!
PV....LeLeux??

HS---men

1500/1 mile.....Several guys close to 4:00! Any breakthroughs??
3K/2 mile/5K.....Edward Cheserek!!

HS--women

400.....Baisden??
800/1000/1500/1 mile/3000/2 mile/5000........ALL of them vulnerable.....IF the "biggies" race indoors!! (Meaning......Cain, Baxter, Meier's, Frazier etc etc!!)
60H.....Dior Hall, Kendell Williams
HJ....Gabby Williams!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby t_monk » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:55 pm

SAFP - 60m

We have unconfirmed reports tat she intends to run indoors this year.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby tandfman » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:38 pm

aaronk wrote:Wt.....Is Colin McCullough in college?? Best bet!!

I assume you mean Conor McCullough and I think the answer is no. He's not listed on the Princeton roster, and I didn't see any indication in the WTAG section of the January T&FN that he has transferred to another school.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby tandfman » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:40 pm

aaronk wrote:60H.....Merritt's 12.80 translate to a sub-7.30??

Not necessarily. He was not much ahead at 60m in that 12.80 race, but then he really exploded over the last 3-4 hurdles. I wouldn't rule it out, but I wouldn't count on it either.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby tm71 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:05 pm

what will be a record this indoor season is the scarcity of world class meets. i looked up the iaaf site and they list only five permit meets in europe and one in the us (boston). in my lifetime i do not recall the last time there was only ONE scheduled world class meet in north america besides the usatf indoor championships ! i suspect many top athletes skipping indoors and concetrating on the outdoor season.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby jamal00005 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:49 am

t_monk wrote:SAFP - 60m

We have unconfirmed reports tat she intends to run indoors this year.


I agree this one seems like the one most likely to go out of the lot imo .....in another thread i was asking about her 60m splits from her winning races .I think she will break it if she takes it seriously
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:00 pm

No records yet.....of any kind.....that I know of...but.....

With the collegiate ranks firing up, and the high schoolers continuing to improve their marks, and with the Europeans set to go fairly soon, this SHOULD (could??) be a GREAT season for marks broken......

or at least getting on the Top 25 performers lists!!

Best HS mark I've heard of is a 13-5 PV by a girl last weekend.
There's also been a 4:48 mile.

The collegiates MIGHT produce something this weekend.

But WHEN will this site start posting a 2013 indoor list (for World, US, Collegiate, and HS)??
Or do you know what site to go to for 2013 indoor lists??
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby JumboElliott » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:27 pm

No one who is not named Bolt or Blake is breaking Fredericks' record, and I don't even know how they would fare. That's a massively impressive record.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:25 pm

Mary Cain is entered in the UW Indoor Preview 3000 this weekend!!
But isn't the UW track oversize?
That's where Jenny Simpson ran her 15:01 NON-record awhile back!!
So even if Cain runs faster than Melody Fairchild's 9:17.4, it won't matter, except in the minds of those who think OT's are okay for record-breaking!!
I don't!!
So, as far as I'm concerned, WHATEVER Mary runs this weekend, it will be a wasted effort.......or at least no better than a self-timed time trial on some rutted pebbly high school track!!!

ADDED on January 10th:

In Jack Shepard's HS Track, it says: No marks made on oversize tracks (larger then 200 meters) are accepted for record purposes."

As I said earlier, even if Mary Cain runs 8:50 or 8:58 or whatever, clearly better than Melody Fairchild's 1991 record, it will NOT be accepted as a HS record!!

And that is a SHAME!!!
Why did Salazar enter her in a race.....with a PACER, no less, who is set to run 4:56 for the 1st mile, thus setting Mary up to break the mark......when that mark will NOT count as a record??

Tell me, does anyone see Jenny Simpson's 15:01 5K, run on that same track, listed anywhere as the collegiate 5K mark??

This makes me SICK!!!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:29 pm

We have our first (but surely not last!) record of the 2013 indoor season!!

Brianna Rollins of Clemson ran 7.78 in the 60H to break Ginny Crawford's old Collegiate Record of 7.84!!

Way to go, Brianna!!
(And this is just the first real weekend of collegiate meets!!)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby tandfman » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:10 pm

aaronk wrote:So, as far as I'm concerned, WHATEVER Mary runs this weekend, it will be a wasted effort.......or at least no better than a self-timed time trial on some rutted pebbly high school track!!!. . .
As I said earlier, even if Mary Cain runs 8:50 or 8:58 or whatever, clearly better than Melody Fairchild's 1991 record, it will NOT be accepted as a HS record!!

And that is a SHAME!!!
Why did Salazar enter her in a race.....with a PACER, no less, who is set to run 4:56 for the 1st mile, thus setting Mary up to break the mark......when that mark will NOT count as a record?? . . .

This makes me SICK!!!!

Do you really think there is no point in running a race other than to attempt to break recognized records? That makes ME sick!!!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:11 pm

Why? I do not think that the ultimate objective is the official high school record. If she runs 8:50, clearly it will be better than the 9:17 and no one will really care about the officiallity of the record.

Besides, maybe this way you do not have to record-breaking pressures in your first race-- and, the over-sized track is a bit easier on the legs.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:42 pm

tandfman wrote:
aaronk wrote:So, as far as I'm concerned, WHATEVER Mary runs this weekend, it will be a wasted effort.......or at least no better than a self-timed time trial on some rutted pebbly high school track!!!. . .
As I said earlier, even if Mary Cain runs 8:50 or 8:58 or whatever, clearly better than Melody Fairchild's 1991 record, it will NOT be accepted as a HS record!!

And that is a SHAME!!!
Why did Salazar enter her in a race.....with a PACER, no less, who is set to run 4:56 for the 1st mile, thus setting Mary up to break the mark......when that mark will NOT count as a record?? . . .

This makes me SICK!!!!

Do you really think there is no point in running a race other than to attempt to break recognized records? That makes ME sick!!!!
26mi235 wrote:Why? I do not think that the ultimate objective is the official high school record. If she runs 8:50, clearly it will be better than the 9:17 and no one will really care about the officiallity of the record.

Besides, maybe this way you do not have to record-breaking pressures in your first race-- and, the over-sized track is a bit easier on the legs.


No, breaking records is NOT always the ultimate objective for running a race.
But in the case of Cain racing the 3K on Seattle's OT, the fact they're providing (according to this site's front page article) a PACER to come through the mile in 4:56 (9:52 two mile pace....and with Mary's kicking ability, probably well under that!!) says (to me at least) she's intending to try for a record.

If that is the case, I stand by what I said:

Simpson's 15:01 on this track is NOT considered the CR!!
Neither will Cain's (whatever "fastest" time she runs.....if she does!!) become the HSR!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby KevinM » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:32 pm

aaronk wrote:Simpson's 15:01 on this track is NOT considered the CR!!


According to T&FN it is - it's just not the indoor record.

And get over this weird Cain/record obsession.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:01 pm

KevinM wrote:
aaronk wrote:Simpson's 15:01 on this track is NOT considered the CR!!


According to T&FN it is - it's just not the indoor record.

And get over this weird Cain/record obsession.


Well, T&FN and I totally disagree on indoor/outdoor records!!
We're all entitled to our own opinions.
There should be indoor records SEPARATE FROM outdoor records!!
("Fastest ever" is NOT a record!!)

As for my "Cain/record obsession".....they're two separate things.
I love seeing records (of ANY kind) broken!!
Don't we all??
As for Mary Cain being the one to break them....I'm NOT "obsessed" with HER!!!
I don't care WHO breaks the records!!!!
If Sarah Baxter or some other great HS girl was running that 3K in Seattle, I'd be saying the exact same thing!!!!

And why NOT want Mary (and ANYONE ELSE capable of breaking HSR's (or CR's, etc etc) to take advantage of their abilities....and try to set records??
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:14 am

First "official" record of the 2013 indoor season:

Penn State men sets new Collegiate 4 X 200 Relay record, time of 1:24.70, breaking old record of 1:25.05 (Rutgers, 2007).

Stay tuned throughout the day!!
Two (or FOUR) HSR's could be broken by day's end, with Edward Cheserek and Mary Cain making attempts on the one mile (and 1500??) records today at the New Balance meet at the Armory.

And who knows what else might happen!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby az2004 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:22 am

and psu did it with gehret no longer enrolled at psu

yes, we are all waiting to see salazar has planned

the talk of 4:25 the target for millrose makes me split the diff from 4:38.5 to 4:25 to expect 4:32-33 range

mary does not just set a reccord she shatters them
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:46 am

Yamile Aldama apparently set an age 40 indoor record in the TJ with her mark in Glascow of 43-2 (13.16).

This thread is for WR's, AR's, CR's, and HSR's, but thought this worth mentioning.

Also, Bernard Lagat's time of 7:53.36 is an age 38 indoor 3K record!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:03 pm

4:32.78!!!!!

Four minutes, thirty two and 78/100th seconds!!!

Mary Cain, age 16 years 8 months 23 days, SHATTERED the High School Record of 4:38.5, set by Debbie Heald in 1972, by 5.72 seconds!!!

Was she timed enroute at 1500 meters??
If so, she CERTAINLY broke the HSR of 4:18.9 set by Lynn Jennings in 1978!!
She HAD to have hit 1500 at about 4:15 or 4:16!!

Way to go, Mary Cain!!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby kuha » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 pm

Very impressive indeed.

I fear, however, that she will cause a worldwide shortage of exclamation marks. Those things don't grow on trees, you know.

:!:
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby guru » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:11 pm

At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby bushop » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:21 pm

aaronk wrote:4:32.78!!!!!!!! Way to go, Mary Cain!!!!!!!
Agreed
aaronk wrote:This thread is for WR's, AR's, CR's, and HSR's...
What about AreaR, AsiaR, EuroR, AJR, WYR, EuroJR, MSR, AsiaJR, AfrR, NHSFR, SAR, AfrJR, SAJR, AsiaYR, WJR, EuroYR, AfrYR, SAYR, AYR and/ or national records?!!??! I'd like to see those records in this thread as well?!,!..,?
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors?

Postby guru » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:30 pm

aaronk wrote:
Was she timed enroute at 1500 meters??
If so, she CERTAINLY broke the HSR of 4:18.9 set by Lynn Jennings in 1978!!
She HAD to have hit 1500 at about 4:15 or 4:16!!




4:16.11
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby skiboo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:32 pm

guru wrote:At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling


3:51.34
4:17.57
8:28.83

Not likely.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:33 pm

guru wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Was she timed enroute at 1500 meters??
If so, she CERTAINLY broke the HSR of 4:18.9 set by Lynn Jennings in 1978!!
She HAD to have hit 1500 at about 4:15 or 4:16!!




4:16.11


Thank you!!
I hope that was her OFFICIAL time, and not just Salazar or her mom timing her!! :D

TWO HSR's!!!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby guru » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:37 pm

skiboo wrote:
guru wrote:At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling


3:51.34
4:17.57
8:28.83

Not likely.


For your edification, allow me to post the correct world JUNIOR 1500/Mile indoor records

4:03.28
4:24.10


Please, in the future, read my post before replying. Thank you
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby az2004 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:38 pm

all i say oregon 2014 willbe crazy
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby dj » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:40 pm

Cain quotes:

She was asked what it felt like running against pros.

MC: "It was a little bit less stressful. I could come in last and still run super fast."
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby skiboo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:49 pm

guru wrote:
skiboo wrote:
guru wrote:At just 16, it's reasonable to start thinking world Junior records for Cain. Mind-boggling


3:51.34
4:17.57
8:28.83

Not likely.


For your edification, allow me to post the correct world JUNIOR 1500/Mile indoor records

4:03.28
4:24.10


Please, in the future, read my post before replying. Thank you


No problem, but you didn't state indoor records in your post. Maybe I should have assumed that's what you meant.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby tandfman » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:01 pm

Getting back to other records, Penn State's Cas Loxsom set a collegiate indoor 600 record this afternoon, running 1:15.79. He missed the AIR by .09 or, looked at another way, he missed it by a few hours--Duane Solomon ran 1:15.70 at about the same time of day, but Solomon was in Scotland, 5 hours ahead of State College.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Marlow » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:07 pm

So her splits were roughly
67
69
72
64!!! (oops, ran out of exclamation marks)


My point being: the girl can close on a good pace! (oh, there was one left)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm

I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby G.Ahearn » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:23 pm

kuha wrote:Very impressive indeed.

I fear, however, that she will cause a worldwide shortage of exclamation marks. Those things don't grow on trees, you know.

:!:


Best line I've heard in awhile. Is it original?
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby kuha » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:46 pm

G.Ahearn wrote:
kuha wrote:Very impressive indeed.

I fear, however, that she will cause a worldwide shortage of exclamation marks. Those things don't grow on trees, you know.

:!:


Best line I've heard in awhile. Is it original?


I'd sure like to think so****

(*= exclamation marks to be inserted when new shipment arrives.)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:52 pm

aaronk wrote:I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )


Isn't Lagat's record 3:49.89?

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records ... n&sport=TF
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:59 pm

Sure looks like it. But still 3:50 is a great time. I don't think we will see Rupp doing a marathon soon. Which is nice.

It is the fastest by an Oregon grad though. Go Ducks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (take that kuha!)
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:09 pm

With 3:50.92 speed, the marathon can wait. This is what's needed to compete with the African runners--which he already was.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:11 pm

Marlow wrote:So her splits were roughly
67
69
72
64!!! (oops, ran out of exclamation marks)


My point being: the girl can close on a good pace! (oh, there was one left)


Yes, the final time compared with the en route 1500m time indicated a helluva finish.
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby aaronk » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:12 pm

TN1965 wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'll leave Mary Cain to rest for a few minutes, while I relate THIS new American Indoor Record:

Galen Rupp......3:50.92 in the one mile, breaking Bernard Lagat's record of 3:51.34!

This has been a GREAT day for record breaking!

(Aside to Marlow: I have a backstock of exclamation points set to last THREE average human lifetimes!!! :P )


Isn't Lagat's record 3:49.89?

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records ... n&sport=TF


Correct!!
I overlooked Lagat's 3:49.89 in 2005!!
Sorry!!
However, according to MY records, Rupp DOES get the age 26 indoor mile record, just edging the 3:50.94 of Marcus O'Sullivan from 1988!
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Re: A Record Record Season Indoors? (Cain--4:32.78!!)

Postby unclezadok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:30 pm

News articles report 4:16.4 for Cain at 1500m. Pardon if this is redundant.
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