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Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby athleticshushmail » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:49 am

For me, I think it's Paul Kipsiele Koech (3000m Steeplechase). Though, because he's aging, I don't think he will be for long. I love watching him run.

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gh wrote:do you really mean "non-dead" or "active"?

thanks gh, sorry for not clarifying. I mean active, if you lined them up and had them run today, January 15th, 2013, at atleast 55 degrees Fahrenheit. You can have them run any distance you would like, or have them run seperate heats where they only ran their best distance against their regular circuit competitors. I can definitely see the confusion in the original poor wording of the post. Thanks!
jazzcyclist wrote:I have to go with Rudisha who is closer to his prime that Bolt.

I had Rudisha at 3. I would put Asbel Kiprop at 2. I think he can be competitive internationally from the 1500 all the way into 8 km and beyond. His 800m wouldn't be bad either.
Marlow wrote:Bolt is, of course. Unless you mean distance, and then it's Paula Radcliffe.

MEN DISTANCE RUNNERS?

Alive: Bek or Geb, pick-em.
Active: If Bek is 100% back, obviously him. If not, TBD. There is no single standout right now.

If Bolt were to break 9.5, I'd put him at 1, because I feel that would be superhuman, but I agree that he is not as close to his prime as Rudisha, and it would be hard for me to rank him, because he is a short distance sprinter. He would lose to most of the runners on my list in any race that lasted longer than one minute. For me, Gebresellasie and Bekele would not be in the top 10 in a race that would be held today. The best Ethiopians would be Merga and Gebremedhin. I really like Gebramedhin but would put Mo Farah above him, though I would consider races with pace makers more valuable than those without. Paula Radcliffe would not be in the top 100 for me. For British women, the number one I guess would be Ohuruogu. My number one woman runner would be Turinesh Dibaba, the Ethiopian, but at best, she would be near the bottom of my overall top ten list. Thanks for your opinions, sorry if mine are too longwinded!
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby gh » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:00 am

do you really mean "non-dead" or "active"?
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:30 am

Bolt is, of course. Unless you mean distance, and then it's Paula Radcliffe.

MEN DISTANCE RUNNERS?


Alive: Bek or Geb, pick-em.
Active: If Bek is 100% back, obviously him. If not, TBD. There is no single standout right now.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:32 am

I have to go with Rudisha who is closer to his prime that Bolt.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:45 am

jazzcyclist wrote:I have to go with Rudisha who is closer to his prime that Bolt.

They're both active . . . Rudisha nudged the record ahead; Bolt BLASTED it (them).
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby TN1965 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:36 am

Bekele, Geb, Paula are all "active" but they are far from their prime (esp. the latter two).

Do we judge by their "peak" form or their current form?

And if we judge by the "current" then most runners are still way early in their training cycle right now, and far from what they were last summer.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:57 am

If we talk about runners in the past who are alive, it is only right to talk about runners in the future who are alive but not active yet. I suspect somewhere in East Africa is the runner who will break the 2 hour marathon and thus become the greatest runner ever.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby mump boy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:02 am

What's all this quoting following posts in the first one ??

Very confusing :?
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:38 am

athleticshushmail wrote:If Bolt were to break 9.5, I'd put him at 1, because I feel that would be superhuman, but I agree that he is not as close to his prime as Rudisha, and it would be hard for me to rank him, because he is a short distance sprinter. He would lose to most of the runners on my list in any race that lasted longer than one minute. For me, Gebresellasie and Bekele would not be in the top 10 in a race that would be held today. The best Ethiopians would be Merga and Gebremedhin. I really like Gebramedhin but would put Mo Farah above him, though I would consider races with pace makers more valuable than those without. Paula Radcliffe would not be in the top 100 for me. For British women, the number one I guess would be Ohuruogu. My number one woman runner would be Turinesh Dibaba, the Ethiopian, but at best, she would be near the bottom of my overall top ten list. Thanks for your opinions, sorry if mine are too longwinded!

This is exactly why your thread title question is unanswerable. We are all defining "best runner alive" differently. There can't be debate,because we are all answering a different question from everyone else.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby DSKlausler » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:43 am

If there is no restriction to a single distance, I might go with Mr. Eaton.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby TN1965 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:19 am

Conor Dary wrote:If we talk about runners in the past who are alive, it is only right to talk about runners in the future who are alive but not active yet. I suspect somewhere in East Africa is the runner who will break the 2 hour marathon and thus become the greatest runner ever.


The first sub-2 marathoner has not been born yet, I suspect.

Suppose someone runs 1:59:xx in 2050 at age 30, there are still seven years before he is born.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:17 pm

TN1965 wrote:The first sub-2 marathoner has not been born yet, I suspect.

As the official 'Pie-Eyed Optimist' here, I think there's a kid in the world today who will run sub-2 within 25 years (by 2037!). I will be 87 and shall will myself to stay alive and see it. :D
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby 18.99s » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:42 pm

TN1965 wrote:The first sub-2 marathoner has not been born yet, I suspect.

The parents of the first sub-2hr marathoner haven't been born yet.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:05 pm

Marlow wrote:
TN1965 wrote:The first sub-2 marathoner has not been born yet, I suspect.

As the official 'Pie-Eyed Optimist' here, I think there's a kid in the world today who will run sub-2 within 25 years (by 2037!). I will be 87 and shall will myself to stay alive and see it. :D

Nah. Realistically, I won't be around in 2037 but am not concerned about missing it cause it ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Pego » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:20 pm

lonewolf wrote:
Marlow wrote:
TN1965 wrote:The first sub-2 marathoner has not been born yet, I suspect.

As the official 'Pie-Eyed Optimist' here, I think there's a kid in the world today who will run sub-2 within 25 years (by 2037!). I will be 87 and shall will myself to stay alive and see it. :D

Nah. Realistically, I won't be around in 2037 but am not concerned about missing it cause it ain't gonna happen.


See if you can convince Marlow of this simple concept.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby athleticshushmail » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:00 pm

What I meant originally and didn't put correctly was "Who do you think is the greatest runner at this moment, today." Somebody who could run a sub 2 hour marathon 2 years ago, one year from now, or in 2055 wouldn't count for that criteria. If you had the runners compete head to head, however you deemed best, who would be most impressive or most dominant to you. In regards to the question of many runners not being at the peak of their training cycle, that's a good point. I should have asked this 6 months from now.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:40 pm

Pego wrote:See if you can convince Marlow of this simple concept.

Oh, ye of little faith.
It's like in Mary Martin's Peter Pan, where Tinkerbell's light is fading, and Martin turns to the camera and tells all the boys and girls at home that have to BELIEVE IN FAIRIES or Tink will die.
I do! I do believe in fairies!!
:D
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby 18.99s » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:09 pm

lonewolf wrote:Nah. Realistically, I won't be around in 2037 but am not concerned about missing it cause it ain't gonna happen.

There's a greater chance of you being alive in 2037 than of anybody running a sub-2 marathon in or before 2037.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby aaronk » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:09 pm

Best ALL TIME 800-10K runners in the USA are:
Steve Prefontaine
Mary Slaney.
Reason being, they had GREAT times at ALL the distances between 800-10K.
(Actually, Pre did NOT have a great 800 or 1K!! But from 1500 up, he did!!))

Best sprinters (USA):
Tommie Smith
Allyson Felix

Best A-T in the WORLD, 800-10K:
Haile Gebrselassie
Grete Waitz
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:20 pm

18.99s wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Nah. Realistically, I won't be around in 2037 but am not concerned about missing it cause it ain't gonna happen.

There's a greater chance of you being alive in 2037 than of anybody running a sub-2 marathon in or before 2037.


You may be right. I will only be 106. I had an uncle WWI veteran who lived to age 105. Outlived three wives. Retired from his small town taxi service at 100 because he got tired of little old blue haired ladies calling him at 9:30 PM for rides home from BINGO.

Two of his younger brothers, also WWI vets, lived to 100 and 101.. the one who died young at 100, a big rawboned fellow, claimed to have been the Army European boxing champion. He might have lived longer but never fully recovered from being "gassed" in France.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:40 pm

lonewolf wrote:You may be right. I will only be 106. I had an uncle WWI veteran who lived to age 105. Outlived three wives. Retired from his small town taxi service at 100 because he got tired of little old blue haired ladies calling him at 9:30 PM for rides home from BINGO.

Two of his younger brothers, also WWI vets, lived to 100 and 101.. the one who died young at 100, a big rawboned fellow, claimed to have been the Army European boxing champion. He might have lived longer but never fully recovered from being "gassed" in France.

Is the longevity on the European side or the American side of your family?
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Quick Silver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:49 pm

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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:26 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
lonewolf wrote:You may be right. I will only be 106. I had an uncle WWI veteran who lived to age 105. Outlived three wives. Retired from his small town taxi service at 100 because he got tired of little old blue haired ladies calling him at 9:30 PM for rides home from BINGO.

Two of his younger brothers, also WWI vets, lived to 100 and 101.. the one who died young at 100, a big rawboned fellow, claimed to have been the Army European boxing champion. He might have lived longer but never fully recovered from being "gassed" in France.

Is the longevity on the European side or the American side of your family?

The Centenarians are all on the paternal European side. My Comanche/Choctaw mother made it to 94; an older sister to 99. The men on maternal side tend to wear out a little younger, mid 80s.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby TN1965 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:09 am

DSKlausler wrote:If there is no restriction to a single distance, I might go with Mr. Eaton.

The only distances in which Eaton would beat Rudisha are 100 and 200. 400 might be close, and Rudisha will win 800 and above.

And if we restrict the distance to standard Olympic distances (100, 200, 400, 800, 1500, 5000, 10000 and marathon), Rudisha could beat any sprinter in 800 and above, and any distance runner in 800 and below. Asbel Kiprop with 800 PB of 1:43:15 might be an interesting competition. Does Rudisha have a better chance of beating Kiprop in 1500 or Kiprop beating Rudisha in 800?

So if there is a race of unknown Olympic distance six months from now, and you are allowed one entry to maximize the chances of winning, I'd pick either Rudisha or Kiprop.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:41 am

TN1965 wrote:
So if there is a race of unknown Olympic distance six months from now, and you are allowed one entry to maximize the chances of winning, I'd pick either Rudisha or Kiprop.


Yes, an interesting bet. The race is chosen completely at random, from 100 to the marathon, but you have to choose a runner first. Whom would you pick?????
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:46 am

Conor Dary wrote:
TN1965 wrote:
So if there is a race of unknown Olympic distance six months from now, and you are allowed one entry to maximize the chances of winning, I'd pick either Rudisha or Kiprop.


Yes, an interesting bet. The race is chosen completely at random, from 100 to the marathon, but you have to choose a runner first. Whom would you pick?????


'at random' does that mean that every Olympic track event gets equal likelihood, or the each interval of 100 meters gets equal likelihood (much different optimal choice). Do hurdler (110h, 400h, 3000SC) count?


By the way, this is an interesting question.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:57 am

26mi235 wrote:

'at random' does that mean that every Olympic track event gets equal likelihood, or the each interval of 100 meters gets equal likelihood (much different optimal choice). Do hurdler (110h, 400h, 3000SC) count?


By the way, this is an interesting question.


What I mean is every flat, forget the hurdles(and especially the walks!), running event gets a ping pong ball,

100, 200, 400, 800, 1500, 5000, 10,000, and marathon.

You get to choose a runner, and then, the event is pulled out.

Since it is my game, I get to go first and I would go with Rudisha. ho,ho..
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:01 am

Conor Dary wrote:
26mi235 wrote:

'at random' does that mean that every Olympic track event gets equal likelihood, or the each interval of 100 meters gets equal likelihood (much different optimal choice). Do hurdler (110h, 400h, 3000SC) count?


By the way, this is an interesting question.


What I mean is every flat, forget the hurdles(and especially the walks!), running event gets a ping pong ball,

100, 200, 400, 800, 1500, 5000, 10,000, and marathon.

You get to choose a runner, and then, the event is pulled out.

I would go with Rudisha.


Actually, it depends on how many people you are playing against. I would be inclined to take Bolt because (assuming I have unique rights) I win the 100 and 200 with almost certainty (doubt that Blake gets taken) and will likely get the 400 as well if others pick a 5000/10,000 type and someone else a 1500/5000 type.
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Re: Who do you think is the best runner alive?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:06 am

Yes, it does get more interesting as the number of players increases.
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