Marlow wrote:As an aside, I think Baxter won't touch Cain in track. XC yes, track, no.
Even if they compete in 5000?
Mary has been compared (by others, not me!!!!) to another Mary.....Decker, by name!!Which is apt, IMHO, because I believe Mary (Cain, that is!!) has unlimited potential at EVERY distance from 800 to 10,000 meters!!!
Those are all outdoor times. And she ran the 5K and 10K infrequently, so probably could have gone a LOT faster in both!!
Over time.....and not THAT much time......maybe by the time she's out of her teens (less than 4 years!!).....Mary Cain's PR's might match those of Decker Slaney's!!
Was this her Astrodome (?) mark made on a super-sized indoor track of non-standard configuration? I do not remember much about that race, but retain the memory that she was denied a WR because of the conditions. I remember the time as about 4:17.
Decker's time at the Astrodome was 4:17.55. It was on an oversized, banked indoor track; marks on that track could not then and cannot now be recognized for record purposes.
tandfman wrote:Decker's time at the Astrodome was 4:17.55. It was on an oversized, banked indoor track; marks on that track could not then and cannot now be recognized for record purposes.
Yes, she ran 4:17+ indoors, but..... the 4:16.71 was at the Weltklasse in Zurich on August 21, 1985. Second and third in that Zurich race were..... Maricica Puica.......4:17.33 Zola Budd............ 4:17.57.
Yep, that was the race that Budd, then 19, ran her fastest mile!! Quite a mile race, eh??
we have some very young girls who are very good, 3 years younger than cain is daesha rogers.
rogers ran on her schools 3:43 relay, ran a 2:07 for 800, ran a 4:54 mile, got 2nd in state at 3 mile cross country, also won one of the states big cross country meet with one shoe on one shoe off she lost it in the first 50 meters of the 3 mile race. in the 800 she goes out in 58-60 and holds on, meaning she has not learned the advantages of even pacing yet.
rogers was born in 1999 and will graduate high school in 2017
so sarah baxter, mary cain, daesha rogers all amazing young talents, i hope they pan out.
I suspect this 3000m by Mary Cain was just the hors d'ourves to her season. That doesn't look right. You know, a little snack thing before the season, like a little meatball or cheese wedge. Of course it was a very fast meatball.
4:24-miler wrote:I posted a youtube link to the great Slaney/Pucia/Budd mile duel in Zurich in 1985. Was it deleted? Is it not allowed to post youtube links?
It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.
4:24-miler wrote:I posted a youtube link to the great Slaney/Pucia/Budd mile duel in Zurich in 1985. Was it deleted? Is it not allowed to post youtube links?
It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.
lionelp1 wrote:Hope the overcooked hyperbole about a 16 year old does not lead to one of you posters predicting a Olympic/World gold medal... just yet.
Funny you should say that!! As a comment on T&FN Facebook page, I said she COULD (as in MIGHT!!) run between 8:38 and 8:48 for the 3K, and between 9:10 and 9:20 for the 2 mile!! In Boston, I mean!
I was around in 1964 when Gerry Lindgren had his phenomenal indoor (AND outdoor!) season. You remember?? Two miles indoors in 9:00.0, then down to 8:46.0, finally down to 8:40.0. The latter two were against big name runners, Gaston Roelants and Ron Clarke. He went on to make the Olympic team that year in the 10K.
Why can't Mary Cain follow the same path? She's UBER-talented, has a great coach, and is super-motivated to run fast times!! I think that 9:02 is just the beginning, perhaps akin to Lindgren's 9:00.0.
BTW, interesting to note that Tirunish Dibaba is entered in that two mile!! Dibaba doesn't stand a chance against Cain!! (I was JOKING!!!)
But I DO think Mary can run what I said, above!! THIS year!! If she does, she'll be in the mix for a 1500 or 5K WC slot!! Medals?? That's a whole other matter!! (Lindgren, with a sprained ankle, finished 9th in that OG 10K!!)
polevaultpower wrote:It is not allowed if they contain copyrighted material... which is true for most track videos on YouTube.
I figure you mean unauthorized copyrighted material, because just about everything published in the past 90 years is copyrighted by default. Including the posts on this message board.
4:24-miler wrote:Ohhhhh...it would be cool if this turned into a Lindgren/Clarke circa 1964! Yeah, I know, not likely to happen, but, hey, we can dream can't we?
Puh-leez. The girl isn't even 17 yet. No good is likely to come of creating expectations that she will meaningfully challenge Dibaba.
Couldn't the same thing have been said of Lindgren supporters back then? No one is expecting MC to beat Dib, but I think there WILL be a good show.
FANTASTIC!!!! Mary is going after the High School Record in the 1 mile this Saturday in the Armory!! (front page article) I just called the Armory, and left a message on their Facebook page asking them to PLEASE time the runners at the 1500 meter mark, thus giving Mary the chance to get BOTH records, just as Alan Webb got both in 2001. (He actually has FOUR records, as he was also timed enroute in his outdoor race!!)
I KNEW Mary's desire to race for time, for RECORDS, wasn't going to be derailed by going with Salazar. Thank you, Alberto, for letting Mary be Mary!!
In the next two weeks, Mary could get FOUR High School Records, since the Boston people ARE going to time the runners at the 3000 meter mark enroute to the 2 mile!! That's been substantiated!
aaronk wrote:FANTASTIC!!!!! Mary is going after the HSR in the 1 mile, 1500m, 3000m and 2 mile!!! That's been substantiated!!
Possibly SIX if we can get them to time at 1000m and 3200m marks!?!?!?
You forgot to put THIS ( ) after your remark!! First of all, it has NOT been substantiated YET that the Armory will be timing them at the 1500 mark enroute!! I hope they do, but I don't know if they will.....yet.
Second, even I, maybe Mary's biggest supporter for her to chase records, do NOT believe she would stand a chance to get SIX records.....or five!! (I DO believe she can get the 1000 meter HSR, but NOT in this 1 mile race!! She'd have to run a 1000 meter race to get that record.)
They WILL be timing at the 3K enroute to the 2 mile at Boston, so ASSUMING she runs close to what she ran in Seattle, or even faster, she WILL get BOTH records!!
IF...IF the Armory times the runners at the 1500 mark enroute, Mary has an almost 100% chance to get BOTH records. And she won't even have to come close to her outdoor mark. She could run, say, 4:16 at the 1500 relatively comfortably, and finish in 17 seconds for a 4:33 mile (NOT 1600!!). If she runs under 4:13 at the 1500, she could go sub-4:30 in the mile!!
However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR. BTW, Bowman herself will be in this race!!! As for the 1600 or 3200, those should be ABOLISHED!!! I don't give a rat's ass if they time the runners there!!!
aaronk wrote:However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR!!!
Yikes!! Good point, I had no idea it was that quick
??!! 1000m en route to 1500??! The 1000 is a COMPLETELY different race - there's not even any sense taking a split there and trying to compare it to other 1000s.
aaronk wrote:As for the 1600 or 3200, those should be ABOLISHED!!!
This is probably the most idiotic of the 'obviously true' (but not really true) statements that is made on this board. It is a real hassle to set off and time, including splits, the mile and two mile in a high school meet where they can barely get enough referees to get through a meet. The mile/1500 and the two-mile/3000 are fine for the big meets, but the dual meets are the heart of the high school system and season, and they do not need to run the mile and two mile. If you want to make an argument for the 1500/3000, that is a lot simpler, although not as simple as the 1600 and 3200.
aaronk wrote:However, the 1000 mark ENROUTE to, say a 4:12 1500, would be about 2:48, much slower than Sarah Bowman's 2:43.40 HSR!!!!!!!!
Yoikers!! Great reasoning, I had no ider it was that quickeroo
??!! 1000m en route to 1500??!!!?!?!??! The 1000 is a COMPLETELY different race - there's not even any sense taking a split there and trying to compare it to other 1000s.
No there is not. . . so true...........................
In all the hyperbole (mine included!!) about the future of Mary Cain... the next 10 years with Coach Salazar... whether she can make the WC team this year...or should even try to.... what she could do in Rio in 2016.... what fantastic times she might run..... one thing might be overlooked.
That is..... in just the next twelve days..... through February 2nd..... the track world..... and especially the American high school track world..... might see the middle distance section of the High School Record book, the indoor female division..... COMPLETELY REWRITTEN!!!!
FOUR girl's high school records are in mortal danger in the next 12 days!! 4:18.9 1500 by Lynn Jennings, run Feb 10, 1978 4:38.5 one mile by Debbie Heald, run Mar 17, 1972 9:17.4 3000 and 9:55.92 two mile, both run by Melody Fairchild Mar 10, 1991
And ONE girl may be the one to break all four records!!
Whatever Mary Cain does outdoors this season, or in the many seasons to follow, one thing is for certain!!
By February 2nd, just 12 days from now, we will KNOW..... whether Mary Cain has made Track History.... or not.
FOUR records (in a thus far recordless season!!) in just two races, now held by THREE different women..... could ALL be shattered by ONE young girl, Mary Cain!
