HJ/JT combo

[noone]

The most recent T&FN mentions Matt Evans from Western Carolina who has recorded 2.16 and 66.80 in these two events this year. I remember Rory Kotinek in the '70's whose marks I believe were comparable. Does anybody know any others who compete in this uncommon double?

How do the best decathletes' marks compare?

[lonewolf]

2.16, ok, but 66.80? 219-2?

[noone]

2.16, ok, but 66.80? 219-2?

Why the smiley face? There can't be many 7 foot high jumpers who can throw 219 feet, I wouldn't think..

[lonewolf]

I'll wager there is no one who can throw a vaulting pole 219 '.

[AS]

Better/comparable HJ/JT combos from some decathletes:

Christian Schenk: 2.27, 67.14
Jagan Hames: 2.30, 64.67
Attila Zsivoczky: 2.22, 66.79
Tom Pappas: 2.21, 66.56
Dan O'Brien: 2.20, 66.90
Lionel Suarez: 2.17, 77.47
Roman Sebrle: 2.15, 71.18
Mike Smith: 2.14, 71.22
Nicklas Wiberg: 2.13, 75.02

And try this combo on:
Peter Blank: 2.23 (in 1983 at 20), 88.70 (in 2001 at 39!!)

That's far from an exhaustive list. Just what I gleaned from looking at best decath HJ performances, best JT performances and associated bios on http://www.decathlon2000.ee/

[lonewolf]

Hey, guys, I am not in Mensa but the heading distinctly says HJ/PV.

[AS]

And the result referred to is actually a HJ/JT combo (which I'd also noticed in eTrack of last week or so). I don't think anyone but "noone" can change the subject title.

[Per Andersen]

Hey, guys, I am not in Mensa but the heading distinctly says HJ/PV.

That's how I read it too and that's why I''ll bring up Henry Wadsworth of Florida, a world class PVer from the early 60''. He beat Don Bragg on several occasions.

Wadsworth was also a fine HJer. Can't remember his HJ PB but it was substantial.

[AS]

Wow! Comprehension surely isn't this much of a lost art. Apart from the erroneous PV in the title, there is nothing else in the initial post to indicate Pole Vault is part of this discussion.

The Rory Kotinek mention eludes to his 7-4 HJ/253-8 JT efforts while at UCLA I presume (taken from here: http://www.uclabruins.com/photos/school ... -top10.pdf).

That's 2.23 and 77.31 on my calculations (Old Jav). He ended up with all-time PR of 2.29.

[jhc68]

If it is HJ/PV, then back in my era Rick Sloan was one of the best at HJ – 2.14 (7-0½);
PV – 5.08 (16-8)

[Powell]

Gabriela Mihalcea HJed 1.96 in 1987, and later went on to become a top class vaulter. She won bronze at the 1996 European Indoor Champs, and finished 4th at the Europeans in 1998. Her ultimate PB was 4.25 from 1999.

[lonewolf]

Apart from the erroneous PV in the title, there is nothing else in the initial post to indicate Pole Vault is part of this discussion.

Uhhhh??? That was enough for me.
No harm done.

[noone]

Hey, guys, I am not in Mensa but the heading distinctly says HJ/PV.

is my face red:

I fixed the heading.

[Gabriella]

On the women's side, off the top of my head, and using heptathlon scoring tables..

Spotakova 1.78/72.28 =2248
Braun 1.94/51.59 = 2049
Chernova 1.87/54.49 = 2014
JJK 1.93/50.08 = 2007
Schwarzkopf 1.83/55.25 =1978

We could add in Tessa Sanderson with 1.63 and 73.58, but it's the old JT I can imagine a few women that can throw in the 60's could beat 1.63.

[Jon]

A few more notables...
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Bergqvist - 2.08m/36.46m = 1918

[Per Andersen]

Bill Miller, Javelin silver medallist in 1952. Threw 81.29 (266-8) in 1953 but that result was not ratified as a WR.

He was also a decent HJer with a best of 6-3 1/2. (that height was good enough for 8th place in the '52 Olympics).

[Gabriella]

A few more notables...
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Bergqvist - 2.08m/36.46m = 1918

So putting that all together and adding in some more, it makes for an interesting list. That's a massive gap between Spotakova and Di Martino though, I wonder if there are any 60m+ throwers out there with decent HJ PB's? Karin Forkel was athletic and I know Petra Felke had some greating training bests at 30m & standing jumps, but not sure whether eitehr competed in a HJ.

Spotakova 1.78/72.28 =2248
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Barber - 1.93/53.10 = 2065
Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Braun 1.94/51.59 = 2049
Turchinskaya - 1.89/54.82 = 2030
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Blokhina - 1.91/52.16 = 2021
Shouaa - 1.87/54.82 = 2021
Chernova 1.87/54.49 = 2014
JJK 1.93/50.08 = 2007
Schwarzkopf 1.83/55.25 =1978
Bergqvist - 2.08m/36.46m = 1918

[rhymans]

I don't think I've seen mention in this thread of the late Bob Roggy, who jumped 2.03 at Southern Illinois and threw the old javelin 95.80

[James Fields]

Many years ago the AAU rules book included a Triathlon: 100-meter dash, High Jump, and Javelin -- combining run, jump,throw. It was included during the late 1950s in all-comers competition at Shoreline High School stadium, north of Seattle, and I recall seeing Don Jacobs compete.

Long ago Mr. Jacobs was listed in Track & Field News as a contributor and his results also appeared regularly in Long Distance Log. He is now age 91.

[Jon]

I knew there was another former heptathlete who made the switch to JT (apart from Spotakova) but couldn't remember who. Justine Robbeson - bests of 1.78m and 63.49m - goes straight in at no.3. Also updated Blokhina's HJ PB and Turchinskaya's JT PB (both were incorrect before) which propel them up the rankings into the top four.

Barbora Spotakova - 1.78m/72.28m = 2248
Larisa Turchinskaya - 1.89m/59.28m = 2134
Justine Robbeson - 1.78m/63.49m = 2078
Tatyana Blokhina - 1.95m/52.16m = 2073
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Eunice Barber - 1.93m/53.10m = 2065
Tia Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Caroline Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Sabine Braun - 1.94m/51.59m = 2049
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Ghada Shouaa - 1.87m/54.82m = 2021
Tatyana Chernova - 1.87m/54.49m = 2014
Jackie Joyner-Kersee - 1.93m/50.08m = 2007
Lilli Schwarzkopf - 1.83m/55.25m = 1978
Kajsa Bergqvist - 2.08m/36.46m = 1918

[Per Andersen]

Best balanced results or closest to the elite in both events: Turchinskaya 1.89 and 59.28.

[Gabriella]

Is that JT from Turchinskaya not from an older model though? (saying that her otehr PB is from the old model too, so probably should include her in the lists at all)

[nianchengyu]

HJ AND JV:
Barbora Spotakova - 1.78m/72.28m = 2248
Louise McPaul -1.80m/66.96m=2169p
Tessa Sanderson-1.69m/73.58m=2163p
Larisa Turchinskaya - 1.89m/59.28m[old] = 2134
Nathalie Teppe-1.85m/61.60m[old]=2127
Sabine Braun - 1.94m/54.08m[old] = 2098
Kirchmann Sigrid-1.97m-51.90m[old]?=2095?
Justine Robbeson - 1.78m/63.49m = 2078
Tatyana Blokhina - 1.95m/52.16m[old] = 2073
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Eunice Barber - 1.93m/53.10m = 2065
Tia Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Denise Lewis-1.87m/56.50m[old s]=2053
Caroline Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Ghada Shouaa - 1.87m/55.70m [old]= 2038
Austra Skujyte-1.91m/52.63m=2030
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Nadine Broersen-1.87m/54.97m=2024
Tatyana Chernova - 1.87m/54.49m = 2014
Jackie Joyner-Kersee - 1.93m/50.12m[old] = 2007

[Vault-emort]

Coming very late into this discussion, but Atlanta silver medallist Louise McPaul (Currey) had bests of:

Old jav 66.96
New jav 66.80
High Jump 1.80

Old score 2169
New score 2166

[nianchengyu]

HJ AND JV:
Barbora Spotakova - 1.78m/72.28m = 2248
Louise McPaul -1.80m/66.96m=2169p
Tessa Sanderson-1.69m/73.58m=2163p
Larisa Turchinskaya - 1.89m/59.28m[old] = 2134
Nathalie Teppe-1.85m/61.60m[old]=2127
Sabine Braun - 1.94m/54.08m[old] = 2098
Kirchmann Sigrid-1.97m-51.90m[old]?=2095?
Justine Robbeson - 1.78m/63.49m = 2078
Tatyana Blokhina - 1.95m/52.16m[old] = 2073
Antonietta Di Martino - 2.03m/46.64m = 2073
Eunice Barber - 1.93m/53.10m = 2065
Tia Hellebaut - 2.05m/44.37m = 2056
Denise Lewis-1.87m/56.50m[old s]=2053
Caroline Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Ghada Shouaa - 1.87m/55.70m [old]= 2038
Austra Skujyte-1.91m/52.63m=2030
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Nadine Broersen-1.87m/54.97m=2024
Tatyana Chernova - 1.87m/54.49m = 2014
Jackie Joyner-Kersee - 1.93m/50.12m[old] = 2007

[bambam]

Missing an obvious one on the female side, although it goes back over 80 years - national champion in both events for a major nation, Olympic champion in one event.

Ethel Catherwood - 1928 Olympic high jump champion

Canadian champ in HJ in 1928/30/31, JT in 1927/28/30/31 - JT PR only 36.17 but it was a different era.

[bambam]

The other really obvious one missing on the females is Babe Didrikson - gold medal in the javelin, silver in the high jump in 1932.

[LopenUupunut]

Aleksandra Chudina must be the third obvious one

[nianchengyu]

For multi-event athlete:
Larisa Turchinskaya - 1.89m/59.28m[old] = 2134
Nathalie Teppe-1.85m/61.60m[old]=2127
Sabine Braun - 1.94m/54.08m[old] = 2098
Tatyana Blokhina - 1.95m/52.16m[old] = 2073
Austra Skujyte-1.92m/54.10m=2072
Eunice Barber - 1.93m/53.10m = 2065
Denise Lewis-1.87m/56.50m[old s]=2053
Caroline Kluft - 1.95m/50.96m = 2050
Lyudmyla Yosypenko - 1.88m/55.64m=2050
Ghada Shouaa - 1.87m/55.70m [old]= 2038
Ida Antoinette Nana Djimou - 1.84m/57.27m=2030
Margaret Simpson - 1.85m/56.36m = 2025
Nadine Broersen-1.87m/54.97m=2024
Tatyana Chernova - 1.87m/54.49m = 2014
Jackie Joyner-Kersee - 1.93m/50.12m[old] = 2007

[jhc68]

Hey, Geoff Nelson is the straddle-high jump historian (with an unpublished book on the topic) who sometimes has computer issues logging onto this site. Couple days ago he sent me this list for this thread which I am pasting below:

HJ/JV / PV

Les Steers 6' 11"/210' 0"
Ernie Shelton 6' 11 1/4"/170' 8 1/2"...and 11' 0 3/4"
John Thomas 7' 3 7/8"/190' 0"
Valeriy Brumel 7' 5 3/4"/213' 0"...and 12' 9 3/4"
John Dobroth 7' 2 5/8"/171' 6"...and 12' 0"
Stefan Junge 7' 3 3/4"/151' 3"...and 14' 9 1/4"
Rolf Beilschmidt 7' 7"/160' 4 1/2"...and 12' 9 1/2"
Christian Schenk 7' 5 1/2"/222' 4"...and 16' 5" (indoors)
Igor Kashkarov 7' 0 1/4"/12' 9 1/2"

[Dave]

If it is HJ/PV, then back in my era Rick Sloan was one of the best at HJ – 2.14 (7-0½);
PV – 5.08 (16-8)

Donovan Kilmartin did something like 7'2" and 17'4" in high school if memory serves.

Not sure what his javelin best was.

[Bruce Kritzler]

I don't think I've seen mention in this thread of the late Bob Roggy, who jumped 2.03 at Southern Illinois and threw the old javelin 95.80

Roggy also had a good triple jump.