gh wrote:Perhaps just a tad hard to get excited about an award based on a season that officially ended 6.5 months ago.
Yet here we sit with AOYs, POYs and Annual Rankings that could have been made (Marathon exc.) 3.5 months ago . . .
Collecting an compiling all that data/votes in a week? doubt it.
My point is that the NCAA waited till the end of the year, when many awards are given out for 'annual' (even when the 'year' ends much earlier) accomplishments. The Heisman is one of the few that comes out in a timely manner. The Bowerman (and AOY) was part of the norm (calendar year-end).
Seems more like you were saying the AOY takes to long to be announced as well... I think the AOY is announced in a timely manner. Considering the outdoor season can end anywhere between early sep and late oct(maybe even later) depending on the year.
But having the college season end in june, and announcing the college "AOY" when some of thoes athletes have already started the indoor season is pretty rediculous. Especially if nothing between NCAA's and the announcement is supposed to count.
ATK wrote:Seems more like you were saying the AOY takes to long to be announced as well... I think the AOY is announced in a timely manner. Considering the outdoor season can end anywhere between early sep and late oct(maybe even later) depending on the year.
But having the college season end in june, and announcing the college "AOY" when some of thoes athletes have already started the indoor season is pretty rediculous. Especially if nothing between NCAA's and the announcement is supposed to count.
In NZ the last competition was scheduled NZ time Saturday 30 December. And every year there is usually a number of US collegiate athletes, including some kiwis, who come down to compete in NZ during December. As the year actually ends on 31 December it is therefore incumbent for the organisers of AOY for TnF to actually wait for the end of the year. Unlike team sports with defined seasons it is possible for a TnF athlete to set an outdoor record on 31 December.
ATK wrote:Seems more like you were saying the AOY takes to long to be announced as well... I think the AOY is announced in a timely manner. Considering the outdoor season can end anywhere between early sep and late oct(maybe even later) depending on the year. But having the college season end in june, and announcing the college "AOY" when some of thoes athletes have already started the indoor season is pretty rediculous. Especially if nothing between NCAA's and the announcement is supposed to count.
The outdoor season ended (effectively, i.e., there are no more significant data points thereafter) on Sep 7 with the last GP/GL meet. Over three and a half months ago.
Marlow wrote:The outdoor season ended (effectively, i.e., there are no more significant data points thereafter) on Sep 7 with the last GP/GL meet. Over three and a half months ago.
What about all the fall marathons? I believe the marathon does count for T&FN's AOY.
Marlow wrote:The outdoor season ended (effectively, i.e., there are no more significant data points thereafter) on Sep 7 with the last GP/GL meet. Over three and a half months ago.
What about all the fall marathons? I believe the marathon does count for T&FN's AOY.
I already noted that exception. T&FN used to list that separately after the annual issue .
ATK wrote:Seems more like you were saying the AOY takes to long to be announced as well... I think the AOY is announced in a timely manner. Considering the outdoor season can end anywhere between early sep and late oct(maybe even later) depending on the year. But having the college season end in june, and announcing the college "AOY" when some of thoes athletes have already started the indoor season is pretty rediculous. Especially if nothing between NCAA's and the announcement is supposed to count.
The outdoor season ended (effectively, i.e., there are no more significant data points thereafter) on Sep 7 with the last GP/GL meet. Over three and a half months ago.
Whats your definition of significant? Rieti was on the 9th...
The point is pretty clear though. The Bowerman is announced way to late for what the award is meant for.
Marlow wrote:The outdoor season ended (effectively, i.e., there are no more significant data points thereafter) on Sep 7 with the last GP/GL meet. Over three and a half months ago.
What about all the fall marathons? I believe the marathon does count for T&FN's AOY.
I already noted that exception. T&FN used to list that separately after the annual issue .
They did the event separately, but for AOY they cannot readily do that. Thus, fall marathons can have an impact. Baseball's awards occur not that long after the season, and similarly with football (American) and basketball.
