T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams


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T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:56 pm

some details in story on front page.

First putter to win in 32 years.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby bushop » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:04 pm

HURRAH
FYI... front page link is broke(read more went no where)
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:09 pm

no it's not; you didn't read what the copy under the headline said
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:14 pm

things tweaked to made it more followable... sorry for any confusion.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby guru » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:24 pm

Countdown to TrackFan4Ever/ilovetrack ripping T&FN for not picking Felix - 3...2...1...
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby aaronk » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:10 pm

Most interesting ratings:

Adams over Ennis
SAFP and SRR being just 1 point apart
Gelana making it, but T Dibaba not
Pearson ranking as high as she did
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby donley2 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:15 pm

Well I'll be danged. It is possible for a womens field eventer (even a thrower) to be athlete of the year. Good deal. Is this the same set of voters as a couple years ago :wink:
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Tuariki » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:32 pm

Go Kiwi.
The most dominant athlete for more than 2 years
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby ATK » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:12 pm

aaronk wrote:Most interesting ratings:
Pearson ranking as high as she did

I agree. Her season was amazing, but I think she is ranked way to high.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby GMH454 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:01 pm

ATK wrote:
aaronk wrote:Most interesting ratings:
Pearson ranking as high as she did

I agree. Her season was amazing, but I think she is ranked way to high.


did anyone below her set an Olympic record, thought the worst thing that happened to Sally was Harpers improvement, she closed the gap,

also Sally had a bad back (reading between the lines) in the OG which is why she came home and did not run for the money afterwards.

and she was incuded in the Queen's message clip ... so there :D
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby GMH454 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:04 pm

Val has done all there is to do for so long and against what many thought was a very questionable opponent

in this year where no other woman shone brightly above the pack, it was Val's time..

and is it possible for TFN to get her quote for when she finds out ... will be memorable to say the least
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby meninblack » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:58 pm

Just finished reading Valerie - the autobiography. It is an interesting read on many levels. One of the interesting take home messages was the increased level of athleticism she has achieved under her new coach and how that should translate into more 21m + throws in the future.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby bobguild76 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:02 pm

Excellent choice! Way to go, Val! From silver to gold to AOY! Ditto on wanting to hear her reaction!

I am looking forward to the in depth analysis. I wonder if Perkovic had more 5's & 6's than SRR & SAFP, but maybe was left off some ballots. She kept climbing in my estimation as the season wore on. Actually, I think she kept her level of excellence steady throughout the year, but kept climbing as more and more people noticed said level of excellence.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby mump boy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:31 am

WOOP WOOP :D

The obvious and right decision well done T&FN :D

I don't think Pearson is too high the only one on that list who deserved to be above her is maybe Perkovic who was totally dominant, SR was too slow and SAF was too inconsistent. I'm disappointed not to see Lashmanova on the list at all, what more are you supposed to do than set WR while winning OG Gold ?!!
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Flumpy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:55 am

WOWSA!!! :mrgreen:

At some sanity is brought to proceedings.

Nice work T&FN.

GO VAL!!! :D :mrgreen:
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby j-a-m » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:11 am

No comment.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Flumpy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:22 am

Looking at the full list.......

Felix and Richards are too high.

Perkovic and Suhr are WAY too low.

Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Lashmanova was robbed.

Overall really good job though.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:12 am

Flumpy wrote:......
Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Lashmanova was robbed.
......


Lashmanova had 3 races
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby ATK » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:28 am

Flumpy wrote:
Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Lashmanova was robbed.


:?
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:35 am

Lashmanova didn't get robbed by me: I had her as No. 4.

It probably helped that I was perhaps the only voter who saw the performance in person?

Because of insane scheduling, even though I bolted out the door before the rest of the 20 even finished, I made it into the stadium only in time to see the last 120 meters of the men's 5K final. Did get to hear the roar for the whole thing starting from a mile away though.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Flumpy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:57 am

gh wrote:
Flumpy wrote:......
Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Lashmanova was robbed.
......


Lashmanova had 3 races


I know but three 20k races is somewhat different to three 3k races and how many proper chances do walkers get anyway? Zaripova's 3 race season was, well probably the less said about it the better.

An Olympic Gold with a WR should ensure anyone gets a top 10 ranking.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Tuariki » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:23 am

What pisses me off is that more than 24 hours after the announcement of Valerie being AOY there is still not a single mention of it in the NZ media as I sit here surfing NZ news sites from LA.
Not even on www.athletics.org.nz the official web site of NZ Athletics. But then what can one expect from an organisation that didn't even enter Valerie in the 2012 Olympic women's shot.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:27 am

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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:14 am

Flumpy wrote:Looking at the full list.......

Felix and Richards are too high.

Perkovic and Suhr are WAY too low.

Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Lashmanova was robbed.

Overall really good job though.


Lashmanova was robbed but Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list? :lol:
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Vault-emort » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:43 pm

pretty reasonable list
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby tandfman » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:31 pm

Flumpy wrote:Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Zaripova ran the 3rd & 5th best performances ever in the event. She had three races under 9:10, which I believe nobody had ever done before. She ran faster than anyone else had since the Beijing Olympics. I think she did enough.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby mump boy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:48 pm

tandfman wrote:
Flumpy wrote:Zaripova shouldn't be anywhere near the list (Three races does not make a season).

Zaripova ran the 3rd & 5th best performances ever in the event. She had three races under 9:10, which I believe nobody had ever done before. She ran faster than anyone else had since the Beijing Olympics. I think she did enough.


If 3 races is enough to assess a season, why isn't Cakir mentioned ??
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:52 pm

She had no all-time credentials, and also didn't dominate the yearly list the way Z did. Their seasons aren't remotely comparable.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby mump boy » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:09 pm

gh wrote:She had no all-time credentials, and also didn't dominate the yearly list the way Z did. Their seasons aren't remotely comparable.


It's much easier to get all time credentials in the very new and under developed steeple than it is on the Chinese dominated 1500m

Anyway i thought times were the last thing to be considered in these things.

Cakir won Olympic and European titles and beat everyone in Paris. I'm not saying she should be ranked or that she should be above Zaripova, just that her complete and sanctioned dismissal is, interesting

just sayin :P
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm

nothing "interesting" about it; it's pure and simple by the numbers.

And don't confuse AOY criteria with how we do the World Rankings.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby tandfman » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:10 pm

mump boy wrote:
gh wrote:She had no all-time credentials, and also didn't dominate the yearly list the way Z did. Their seasons aren't remotely comparable.

It's much easier to get all time credentials in the very new and under developed steeple than it is on the Chinese dominated 1500m

The event may be new, but it has been contested regularly at Diamond League meets for the past 3 seasons, with participation by the top steeplers in the world, and nobody has run as fast as she did.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:25 pm

mump is also apparently unaware of the fact that T&FN stats don't include marks from the Chinese National Games of '93 and '97 (the two with obvious "irregularities"), and Alptekin didn't make a dent in a list with those revised numbers either.

(see our all-time lists elsewhere on the site, with the Chinese marks given the heave-ho)
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Tuariki » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:29 pm

gh wrote:surf was up 13 hours ago dude!

http://www.3news.co.nz/Athletics-award- ... fault.aspx

That's all well and good. But is is a bit like saying "surf's up at Long Beach".

The #1 tv station in NZ is TV One. The 2 main sports radio stations are Newstalk ZB and Radio Sport. Our main newspaper is the NZ Herald.

Even now, none of them have mentioned Valerie's being TnF News AOY.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby gh » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:55 am

So is that a slight on us, or a sad commentary on a declining state of the sport in en-zed?
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 am

gh wrote:So is that a slight on us, or a sad commentary on a declining state of the sport in en-zed?

the second. TnF News AOY has, IMO, more worthiness/credibility than IAAF AOY
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby rolflemken » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:36 am

A strange vote. What's about Tirunesh Dibaba ? The first woman to repeat a 10k-Olympic Gold Medal. The first woman to win three Olympic gold medals. Didn't nobody of the voters watch her dominant and thrilling victory?
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby mump boy » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:38 am

rolflemken wrote:A strange vote. What's about Tirunesh Dibaba ? The first woman to repeat a 10k-Olympic Gold Medal. The first woman to win three Olympic gold medals. Didn't nobody of the voters watch her dominant and thrilling victory?


What she did in previous years has NOTHING to do with this years achievements.

This year she was good but nothing amazing
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby skiboo » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:01 am

Interesting to compare the personal bests of the top 10 and where that performance ranks all time:

adams 21.24 184
ennis 6955 18th
felix 21.69 6th
pearson 12.28 15th
richards ross 48.70 17th
fraser pryce 10.70 7th
perkovic 69.11 265
zaripova 9:06.72 5th
gelana 2:18:58 5th
suhr 4.92 11th

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/women.htm

8 of the ten rank within the top 20, while the 2 throwers are WAY off.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby dj » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:08 am

skiboo wrote:Interesting to compare the personal bests of the top 10 and where that performance ranks all time:

adams 21.24 184
ennis 6906 18th
felix 21.69 6th
pearson 12.28 15th
richards ross 48.70 17th
fraser pryce 10.70 7th
perkovic 69.11 265
zaripova 9:06.72 5th
gelana 2:18:58 5th
suhr 4.92 11th

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/women.htm



8 of the ten rank within the top 20, while the 2 throwers are WAY off.


The world has changed greatly since many of the marks in the throws were made. What happens to your numbers if your lists include only those marks set since 2000?

That's a fairly long time, including four Olympic Games. Very few international careers go back farther than that.
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Re: T&FN's Women's AOY..... Valerie Adams

Postby skiboo » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:20 am

dj wrote:
The world has changed greatly since many of the marks in the throws were made. What happens to your numbers if your lists include only those marks set since 2000?

That's a fairly long time, including four Olympic Games. Very few international careers go back farther than that.


Good point, more of the top throws happened back when the old East Bloc was around. Do you think throwers benefit more from peds than athletes in other events?
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