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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby lonewolf » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:09 pm

Twenty years in the Army and fifty years in the oil patch, I thought I was unshockable but ... I was wrong. Actually, I guess I am more saddened than shocked.
I do not know Suzy Favor personally.. sat with her on the athlete/official shuttle bus at 96 Olympics a few times.. one of the nicest, most charming people I have ever encountered.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby kuha » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:14 pm

lonewolf wrote:Twenty years in the Army and fifty years in the oil patch, I thought I was unshockable but ... I was wrong. Actually, I guess I am more saddened than shocked.
I do not know Suzy Favor personally.. sat with her on the athlete/official shuttle bus at 96 Olympics a few times.. one of the nicest, most charming people I have ever encountered.


On this (except for the Army & oil patch) I agree completely. I, too, spent 15 minutes one day chatting with her and thought she was a lovely and charming person.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby nicest person ever » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:16 pm

lonewolf wrote:Twenty years in the Army and fifty years in the oil patch, I thought I was unshockable but ... I was wrong. Actually, I guess I am more saddened than shocked.
I do not know Suzy Favor personally.. sat with her on the athlete/official shuttle bus at 96 Olympics a few times.. one of the nicest, most charming people I have ever encountered.


And she still is. This doesn't change that. But sadly, not everyone will comprehend that. :(
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:22 pm

nicest person ever wrote:Similarly, it makes me sad that our culture still views prostitution in the way that it does.

I don't think the stigma has anything to do with legality issues OR what a 'prudish' culture America is; prostitution has been, is, and I suspect always will be a 'shameful' enterprise for wives and mothers to engage in, because it violates the core tenets of the family relationship. Do YOU want you wife (and mother of your future children) to have sex with other men after your marriage? If not, then you must agree with my perspective on prostitution. I think most (99%) would, regardless of what 'culture' they come from.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby nicest person ever » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm

If you had read my original reply to the thread, you would have seen that I said, if she was doing it behind her husband's back (like, without his knowledge/permission), then I agree that that PART of it is indeed messed up.

I was just saying, I wish the prostitution aspect ITSELF (not in regards to marriage, but just on its own), wasn't something we looked down on as being so evil/immoral/whatever, since THAT view, to me, is archaic and illogical.

Obviously most people will disagree, but I'm used to that, since most people also disagree with my atheist religious stance, or my stance that all drugs should be fully legalized (even heroin/meth/etc, not just weed), and that suicide should be legal, and that women should be allowed to go topless at public beaches, not just men, etc etc. Most of my views will probably be considered normal/logical further into the future when the older generations die out and people start thinking more and more rationally over time and losing the old thinking-based-on-traditions-that-should-never-be-questioned mentality. But, for now, I'll just be looked at as that crazy weird guy with the absurd views on things. Which is fine, since I'm used to it by now. Meh.

edit: Sigh, upon reading over this post, it looks pretty lame, like I'm trying way too hard to be that rebel/outcast goth kid in the back of the room or something lol. In real life I'm actually a relatively normal guy who doesn't come across like that, but in my internet-persona sometimes I get a little carried away and get to ranty/weird about stuff like this. I apologize if I offended anyone or derailed the thread. Carry on everyone, I'll try to stick to more strictly track and field related stuff from now on lol
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Blues » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:48 pm

This may have absolutely nothing to do with her actions, but I've always found this interesting and since it involves the type of medication she's been on, I'm posting it anyway.. I've occasionally witnessed certain unusual behavioral changes as a result of a person taking SSRI type antidepressants... (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors). In most cases this involved decisions that seemed like the person wasn't considering the possible consequences of their actions, as they would have in the past.. The Zoloft (sertraline) that SFH speaks highly of is an antidepressant in this class. Although I've seen improvements in depression and other mental health conditions with the use of SSRI medications, I've also seen people say and do things that I don't feel they'd have ever said or done prior to being on the medication, including walking out on a job, insulting people including bosses and family members, etc... Below is part of the conclusion of a medical study that was done regarding the "emotional blunting" that SSRI antidepressants can cause, and the people they're talking about were all taking drugs similar to what Suzy has been on..


Just not caring

Almost all participants described not caring about things that used to matter to them and attributed this change to their SSRI antidepressant. They cared less about themselves, about other people and about the consequences of their actions. Not caring could have both helpful and unhelpful consequences, reducing the sense of pressure and stress that some participants felt in their daily lives, yet increasing the likelihood that important tasks were neglected.

Many participants described a general feeling of indifference to things in life that used to matter to them. Many participants described feeling apathetic and unmotivated, despite their illness having improved and attributed this apathy to their antidepressant. Some participants felt that their sensible, safety-conscious, side had diminished and they just did not care as much about the consequences to themselves of their behaviour. As a result, they might behave in a less careful, considered way. A few participants went further, mentioning thoughts of self-harm or suicide that they related, at least in part, to feelings of emotional detachment and emotional numbness. One participant had started to self-harm in an effort to feel emotion. Many participants reported not caring as much about others, such as during social interaction, by being less sensitive or courteous towards other people. In addition, many described reduced concern for others’ feelings, and reduced concern about other peoples’ opinions of them. Some participants described being less concerned or even unable to care about responsibilities in their everyday lives, such as at home, in their finances or at work, and might include, for example, a lack of urgency or need to complete tasks.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Pego » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:55 pm

nicest person ever wrote:If you had read my original reply to the thread, you would have seen that I said, if she was doing it behind her husband's back (like, without his knowledge/permission), then I agree that that PART of it is indeed messed up.

I was just saying, I wish the prostitution aspect ITSELF (not in regards to marriage, but just on its own), wasn't something we looked down on as being so evil/immoral/whatever, since THAT view, to me, is archaic and illogical.

Obviously most people will disagree, but I'm used to that, since most people also disagree with my atheist religious stance, or my stance that all drugs should be fully legalized (even heroin/meth/etc, not just weed), and that suicide should be legal, and that women should be allowed to go topless at public beaches, not just men, etc etc. Most of my views will probably be considered normal/logical further into the future when the older generations die out and people start thinking more and more rationally over time and losing the old thinking-based-on-traditions-that-should-never-be-questioned mentality. But, for now, I'll just be looked at as that crazy weird guy with the absurd views on things. Which is fine, since I'm used to it by now. Meh.

edit: Sigh, upon reading over this post, it looks pretty lame, like I'm trying way too hard to be that rebel/outcast goth kid in the back of the room or something lol. In real life I'm actually a relatively normal guy who doesn't come across like that, but in my internet-persona sometimes I get a little carried away and get to ranty/weird about stuff like this. I apologize if I offended anyone or derailed the thread. Carry on everyone, I'll try to stick to more strictly track and field related stuff from now on lol


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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:57 pm

nicest person ever wrote:A. I wish the prostitution aspect ITSELF (not in regards to marriage, but just on its own), wasn't something we looked down on as being so evil/immoral/whatever, since THAT view, to me, is archaic and illogical.
B. Most of my views will probably be considered normal/logical further into the future when the older generations die out and people start thinking more and more rationally over time and losing the old thinking-based-on-traditions-that-should-never-be-questioned mentality. But, for now, I'll just be looked at as that crazy weird guy with the absurd views on things. Which is fine, since I'm used to it by now. Meh.
C. Sigh, upon reading over this post, it looks pretty lame, like I'm trying way too hard to be that rebel/outcast goth kid in the back of the room or something lol. In real life I'm actually a relatively normal guy who doesn't come across like that, but in my internet-persona sometimes I get a little carried away and get to ranty/weird about stuff like this. I apologize if I offended anyone or derailed the thread. Carry on everyone, I'll try to stick to more strictly track and field related stuff from now on lol

A. That will not come to pass for hundreds (thousands) of years, so don't be impatient.
B. See A.
C. You just melted my heart. Self-awareness like that is a VERY valuable trait to inculcate in oneself. I strive for it constantly and you are way ahead of my progress at your age (am I right in assuming you are in your 20s?) :D
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby kevinsdad » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:04 pm

In my view, you can give her a pass for violating laws against prostitution if you want to, and still find plenty to criticize in the fact that at the same time she was working as a prostitute, she continued to cash in on a completely faked image of herself in her other more public endeavors. Also, I see from her online ad that "Kelly" worked on a cash only basis, suggesting that SFH was also likely engaged in pretty significant tax fraud.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby aaronk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:19 pm

I've always been AGAINST government intrusion into private lives.....
UNLESS....
it impacts in a harmful or negative way upon other people.
Maybe I should say....DIRECTLY impacts.....on others!!

Marijuana smoking, social drinking, going to a prostitute (or high-priced escort), BEING a prostitute.....
all of these should NOT be deemed "illegal".....
as long as, again, it does NOT harm anyone else!!

So Suzy shouldn't get into trouble for what she did!!
(Unless she stole money from someone, killed them, or spiked their drinks with some drugs, etc!!)

She had a great career in track......from high school to the international stage!!

The traumatic crises she's faced in her life would've led weaker people to suicide!!
That she's seeking help (going to a shrink, she says!) is laudable, and a sign she KNOWS she NEEDS help!!

As one of her fans.......I always thought she could've run faster than she did!!......I wish her a happier, and less stressful and troubled future!!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:54 pm

I don't think the Big Ten had this in mind when they named Suzy one of their Icons, and 19th at that.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Blues » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:05 pm

aaronk wrote:I've always been AGAINST government intrusion into private lives.....
UNLESS....
it impacts in a harmful or negative way upon other people.
Maybe I should say....DIRECTLY impacts.....on others!!

Marijuana smoking, social drinking, going to a prostitute (or high-priced escort), BEING a prostitute.....
all of these should NOT be deemed "illegal".....
as long as, again, it does NOT harm anyone else!!

So Suzy shouldn't get into trouble for what she did!!
(Unless she stole money from someone, killed them, or spiked their drinks with some drugs, etc!!)

She had a great career in track......from high school to the international stage!!

The traumatic crises she's faced in her life would've led weaker people to suicide!!
That she's seeking help (going to a shrink, she says!) is laudable, and a sign she KNOWS she NEEDS help!!

As one of her fans.......I always thought she could've run faster than she did!!......I wish her a happier, and less stressful and troubled future!!


Okay, but besides the emotional hurt that she and her clients may have caused their loved ones if betrayals were involved (which I agree is a private issue), couldn't her "behind closed door" activities subject herself, her clients, their other partners, etc. to a greater risk of acquiring sexually transmitted diseases, including a few incurable ones? Whether we think prostitution is morally wrong or not, having multiple partners that include strangers still increases the risk of STD transmission, even if one tries to practice safe sex and can afford to get tested regularly. I'd imagine that she was careful, but no amount of attempted prevention equates to foolproof in the business, and sometimes things occur during the heat of the moment that aren't anticipated.

And as has already been mentioned, the taxes aspect may be an issue too...
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby mcgato » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:10 pm

Conor Dary wrote:I don't think the Big Ten had this in mind when they named Suzy one of their Icons, and 19th at that.
Based on her Big Ten career, she deserves to be one of the top 50 icons of the conference. If they want to change the award named after her, I'm fine with that. But if they act like she wasn't one of the best all time NCAA middle distance runners, then I'm not fine with that.
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Postby JumboElliott » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:15 pm

I saw an interview with her from August and she seemed manic.

The manic phase of bipolar disorder is very often accompanied by hypersexuality.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Bob Duncan » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:40 pm

This has all been incredibly disturbing, but I am somewhat comforted by the fact that so many of us feel the same way. At one time, many of us (whether we admit it or not) were rather titillated by Suzy, but we've all moved beyond that. Good for us.

Like many of the others, I got to meet her back around 1991 at the nationals in LA, where she and some of her Wisconsin teammates posed for photos. I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that it would come to this.

A couple of years ago, I corresponded with her after I had learned that she was working an anti-suicide program, hoping that she could include the Army in her efforts. She was gracious and responded to me.

I have also seen the downside of various medications and their effects, the hypersexuality which JumboElliot mentions. I don't have a good handle on this, but I hope and pray that her husband stands by her through this. I went through something similar and it ended in divorce and worse. We should all pray for Suzy.

Again, I'm glad that the many posters on this board have expressed mature and caring attitudes. I am afraid to look at some of the other boards (and you know which ones I mean).
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby WalkandJog » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:43 pm

I remember years ago message board members were calling her a total head case because of her weird antics on the track: falling intentionally in the Olympics etc.

Then when her arch rival Regina Jacobs was chased out of the sport for doping, it seemed that Suzy got the last laugh, and people made fun of Regina being a realtor.

Now it seems Regina has the last laugh although Favor Hamilton can now write a tell all book and make a million dollars.

Thousands of adolescent male distance runners fantasized about Favor Hamilton when she was a track star, and who knew they could have had her for a mere $600 haha.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:00 pm

Bob Duncan wrote:
Again, I'm glad that the many posters on this board have expressed mature and caring attitudes. I am afraid to look at some of the other boards (and you know which ones I mean).


Which apparently lasted until the post directly after yours.

I first saw this story on another board and thought it was the typical hoax you might see there.

One of those stories I don't even know what to say. Hope it all works out for she and her family.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Blues » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:13 pm

The possibility of "hypersexuality" due to various factors has been mentioned a few times in the thread. On the other side of the issue, the Zoloft antidepressant that Suzy has been taking can also commonly cause decreased sexual desire in women, and may also cause difficulty in achieving orgasm. (SSRI antidepressants can cause similar adverse effects in men as well.)
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Brian » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:32 pm

aaronk wrote: Suzy Favor......
and then Suzy Favor Hamilton......

But two things from this news shocks me......but in a different way than the story itself.

1. That her husband KNEW what she was doing, and remains married to her!!


As many on this board will attest, you stay married to someone behaving badly because you love them and hope you can encourage them to stop behaving badly, especially if that behavior is self-destructive (which of course, also destroys the spouse & family, as these people are extensions of one's self).

Also, special to males, is the fact that a divorce means your time with your [7-year old] daughter will for the next [11] years be relegated to weekends and every other holiday. Children--especially young children--almost ALWAYS are given to the mother for custody. [Favor-Hamilton would pretty much have to be imprisoned for anything else to happen; stay tuned on that, BTW.]

And what if you happen to know the mother is having/has had mental issues--how do you leave your child with someone perhaps mentally unstable? Have we so soon forgotten Susan Smith...?

And in the case of a "celebrity", a divorce would draw attention and the media would probably then find out the entire story. [I doubt the husband knew she was so stupid as to give her name to her johns (yes, that's what they are; deal with it) and also doubt she owned up to him that she had been less than discreet about her identity. gh, BTW, is probably on to something there re: her motivation for divulging her identity...]

No, her husband stayed because that's what you do when you love someone. That's what the for better or for worse, in health and in sickness thing is all about, no matter how much it may kill you inside.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Brian » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:40 pm

Continuing on Favor-Hamilton, this time re: her potential mental illness/depression:

I knew two people, both close friends (the guy first, the woman through him) who had a great life together. They were together for nearly 20 years, though never married, as she (and her several siblings) had a childhood issue with this because of a bad marriage between her parents. [He used to confide in me how he hated not being married because everyone assumed it was he, "the man", who was "dragging his feet".]

But somewhere around 7 or 8 years into it, she developed an immune system disease and required the ongoing ingestion of certain drugs to combat it, for the rest of her life. These drugs had the side-effect of causing bouts of mild depression. They also affected her body's ability to produce Oxytocin, the hormone that is responsible for, among other things, making her feel close/attached to her partner. Also, a "normal" level of the hormone can make someone feel excited about being touched, being connected to someone, and allow them to feel a sense of excitement about themselves, their partners, and their overall life.

Depressants can negatively affect this hormone.

Seeking that excited/connected feeling--that higher level of Oxytocin--inspired her to make the very bad choice of sleeping around. The attention she received for doing so gave her a vicarious thrill (Favor-Hamilton describes the same need/feeling; obviously after working with the stated psychologist in her Tweets).

The story of my friends didn't end well. The guy stayed as long as he could, continually encouraging the woman to do whatever necessary to get better. [She spoke sincerely about her regret very tearfully to him many times and several times to me. But she couldn't give up the attention-generating thrill she got from her actions.] They got no help from her family, the only other great source of influence in her life. The parents had long lived a life of big-time denial and proceeded to flip it on my friend, telling anyone who would listen how unhappy she is with him (and telling each other that's why she sleeps around). The siblings had long-ago moved on to fend for themselves. [I truthfully don't know if I've ever met more irresponsible people in my life.] So no intervention possible from any outside source...not with a family of enablers such as them. Because my friends weren't married, outside of a few of his closest friends who understood the situation, absolutely no one urged them to stay together. Counselors couldn't help because she claimed she didn't trust any of them and refused to attend any appointments he made for them. Sometimes, he went alone.

[Cont. next]
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Brian » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:41 pm

[Cont.]

This went on for years. My friend stayed with her because he loved her and always hoped she would stop doing these things to them; he knew it wasn't simply he that she was acting out to hurt. Low self-esteem had been one her childhood issues. And she did love him; she just couldn't stop her behavior and wouldn't seek help. She had what's known as a personality disorder rooted in a physical condition. Those of us around him told my friend he had to be careful to take care of himself because she just hadn't hit rock bottom yet.

Finally, her luck ran out. She contracted a permanent STD, lied about it and nearly gave it to him. All after vowing she had been "better now/no other men" for nearly two years (her job required her to travel; sound familiar?). It wasn't the first time she had lied about being "better now" to him. He believed her because he wanted to believe her. Finally, once he realized, in his words that "she is not coming back", he left her. Fortunately, they had no children.

Formerly a fine person, like a drug addict, she had become an expert liar. Part of the reason no one on the outside would believe anything bad of her (he never publicly advertised details of her behavior, except to me and a few select others, mostly mental healthcare professionals) is because they never knew the person she had become. They had the image of who she had been in their minds, not who she had become. She lied continually, to everyone and to herself. It was almost Jeckyll-Hyde in scope; she could spend the afternoon baking cookies for neighbors, drive to some guy's house for a quickie on the way home, and be back ready to make dinner with my male friend an hour later.

The parallel between my two friends and what has been written about, and by, Favor-Hamilton is dead on.

I hope Favor-Hamilton gets the help my female friend was too scared to seek.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Wang Lung » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:21 pm

I read a quote on this today, "You are as sick as your secrets."

This poor Woman needs help. I pray she gets it.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby bobguild76 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:07 am

Brian wrote:
aaronk wrote: Suzy Favor......
and then Suzy Favor Hamilton......

But two things from this news shocks me......but in a different way than the story itself.

1. That her husband KNEW what she was doing, and remains married to her!!


As many on this board will attest, you stay married to someone behaving badly because you love them and hope you can encourage them to stop behaving badly, especially if that behavior is self-destructive (which of course, also destroys the spouse & family, as these people are extensions of one's self).

Also, special to males, is the fact that a divorce means your time with your [7-year old] daughter will for the next [11] years be relegated to weekends and every other holiday. Children--especially young children--almost ALWAYS are given to the mother for custody. [Favor-Hamilton would pretty much have to be imprisoned for anything else to happen; stay tuned on that, BTW.]

. . .

No, her husband stayed because that's what you do when you love someone. That's what the for better or for worse, in health and in sickness thing is all about, no matter how much it may kill you inside.
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Well said, Brian!

None of us knows the full story. All of us have made poor choices in some area of our life ... and most of us are grateful those poor choices, and their consequences, didn't become national news. Is it news? Of course. Does it make SFH "less than"? Not in my opinion. Is this a fascinating story? Yes. Do any of us know how it will end? No.

I think we all would wish her, and her family, the grace and freedom to work through this difficult season.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby lapsus » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:15 am

Everyone has some secrets. If someone takes you into their confidence, even if (or especially if) you think they are being naive about it and leaving themselves exposed, like Favor Hamilton apparently was, you don't betray that confidence. So the betrayal of implicit trust is the shocking part of the story for me. Shocking not surprising, it only takes one scumbag selling the story after all.

I hope she gets support from her social circle in finding her balance, perhaps even patching things up with her husband. Otherwise, well, it is none of my damn business.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby mump boy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:28 am

I love gossip and was the first to start spreading this story but in light of probable mental health issues i'm not so sure that it's entirely appropriate to keep discussing it
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby aaronk » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:57 am

Let me clarify something I said earlier.

I said I was "shocked" that her husband hadn't divorced her, since she stated he knew of her year as a call girl.
I did NOT say I thought he SHOULD divorce her!!
Big difference!!

Think about it.
There are many divorces that are based on a spouse's infidelity!!
Even in our "no fault" divorce system.

A wife leaves a husband because he had a ONE NIGHT stand!!
Or vice versa.
This went way beyond that!!

But then again, Hillary stayed with Bill, even after Monica and all the other accusations made against him!!

THAT is LOVE!!!

I really DO wish her.....and her family.....only the best and happiest of futures.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby j-a-m » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:18 am

nicest person ever wrote:Similarly, it makes me sad that our culture still views prostitution in the way that it does.

Agreed.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby j-a-m » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:19 am

Mighty Favog wrote:He met SFH at the post-race party and of course asked to take a photo with her.

So you're saying first he asks her for a picture, and when she agrees he's uncomfortable with it? How about as a general rule, if you're not comfortable with someone putting their arms around you, don't ask them to take a picture with you in the first place?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby j-a-m » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:19 am

lapsus wrote:So the betrayal of implicit trust is the shocking part of the story for me. Shocking not surprising, it only takes one scumbag selling the story after all.

Exactly.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:11 am

Was quite surprised of course, although not as much as some because of the mental side of things and her family history. I hope that it works out in some non-catastrophic way; probably will, but not a surprise if it does.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out in Madison, although I am departing for almost 2 weeks away.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Flumpy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:28 am

mump boy wrote:I love gossip and was the first to start spreading this story but in light of probable mental health issues i'm not so sure that it's entirely appropriate to keep discussing it


I agree.

This is in no way athletics related and I make no judgement on her choices as they are completely between her and her family. It's none of our business and somewhat unseemly to be discussing a personal subject of which we know very little, simpy because the person in question once ran track.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Blues » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:57 am

Flumpy wrote:
mump boy wrote:I love gossip and was the first to start spreading this story but in light of probable mental health issues i'm not so sure that it's entirely appropriate to keep discussing it


I agree.

This is in no way athletics related and I make no judgement on her choices as they are completely between her and her family. It's none of our business and somewhat unseemly to be discussing a personal subject of which we know very little, simpy because the person in question once ran track.


Your point is understood. But at least many of the posts have been supportive or have tried to mention certain facts that may help explain her actions, and they're probably more supportive than most comments made by the non-track and field general public, who are seeing the story plastered all over the front sports page of the major news media, often without the facts that at least in part might help explain what led to her unusual choices... I was browsing USAToday.com a few minutes ago, and she was the cover story for the sports section...
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby gh » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:34 am

I guess the New York Daily News wins the contest for most creative/tackiest newspaper headline. They wrote (in blazing 60-point type, of course) "On Your Mark, Get Set, Ho!"
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Anthony Treacher » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:43 am

In Sweden it is not illegal to provide sex for money. It is however illegal here to buy sex. Even morally the person providing sex for money is considered here as "the exploited." The person buying sex is "the exploiter." So what exactly has SFH done that is wrong?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:58 am

Anthony Treacher wrote:In Sweden it is not illegal to provide sex for money. It is however illegal here to buy sex. Even morally the person providing sex for money is considered here as "the exploited." The person buying sex is "the exploiter." So what exactly has SFH done that is wrong?


If part of her sacred wedding vows to her husband was to blow guys for cash and on occasion to make a little extra cash, have anal intercourse with a sweaty business man from Cleveland, then she has done nothing wrong.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby j-a-m » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:04 am

Are you the sweaty businessman from Cleveland so that you have such specific knowledge? Or are you her husband so that this is any of your business?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby 333 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:10 am

Dear Santa....
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:12 am

j-a-m wrote:Are you the sweaty businessman from Cleveland so that you have such specific knowledge? Or are you her husband so that this is any of your business?


Is any of this any of ours?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:21 am

j-a-m wrote:Are you the sweaty businessman from Cleveland so that you have such specific knowledge? Or are you her husband so that this is any of your business?


There are reports that her husband isnt happy, these reports are probably completley wrong and he loves what his wife does, good day to you sir!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Pego » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:26 am

odelltrclan wrote:
j-a-m wrote:Are you the sweaty businessman from Cleveland so that you have such specific knowledge? Or are you her husband so that this is any of your business?


Is any of this any of ours?


Absolutely correct, odelltrclan. My sentiments exactly.
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