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IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:42 am

I have no idea what methodology the boys in Monaco are going to use to add to their (flawed) original 24, but who do you think the leading candidates are?

I ask because I was doing some prep work for this year's World Ranking issue of the magazine and I noted that the all-time leader in both points scored (single event) and years ranked didn't make the original cut.

So who ranked for 21 (!) years, and scored 168 points (which translates as an average placing of No. 3 for more than a score of years)?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby preston » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:40 am

Ottey?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby rhymans » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:53 am

Jan Z
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:55 am

Ottey & Ž only 19 years each.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:49 am

Got to be a field eventer, probably discus.
Unless it's Geb?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:59 am

I'm assuming they are not inducting another 24 next time :?

Does anyone know what the procedure is for 2013?

I'm assuming they'll find a way to induct Usain Bolt :roll:
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:36 pm

not Geb either.

The published data on the HOF is that "at least 4" will be inducted every year.

And that the criteria "may" change. (meaning the double-OG/WC gold stricture goes away, which is totally ludicrous in the overall scheme of things)
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Dutra5 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:06 pm

Heike Dreschler
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Pego » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:08 pm

It seems, Lars Riedel was competing forever.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:25 pm

gh wrote:not Geb either.

The published data on the HOF is that "at least 4" will be inducted every year.

And that the criteria "may" change. (meaning the double-OG/WC gold stricture goes away, which is totally ludicrous in the overall scheme of things)


As is WR which means in the future no Allyson, Sanya, VCB, SAF, Maria Mutola, Anna Quirot, Hassiba Boulmerka, Rosa Mota, Gail Devers, Tatyana Lebedeva, Astird Kumbernuss, Valerie Adams, Carolina Kluft etc etc etc

I can't for the life of me work out who was ranked for 21 years i agree it has to be a thrower but no idea who :?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Dutra5 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:58 pm

The answer has been given. :D
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby tandfman » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:48 pm

gh wrote:I ask because I was doing some prep work for this year's World Ranking issue of the magazine and I noted that the all-time leader in both points scored (single event) and years ranked didn't make the original cut.

Has this athlete been retired for 10 years or more? I believe that was one of the criteria.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:35 pm

Oh it's Heike

She wasn't even in Barcelona which i thought was strange at the time, but tandfman is right you have to be retired for 10 years before you can be inducted
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:05 pm

Heike was my 2nd guess today. You told me I was wrong :?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby preston » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:20 pm

mump boy wrote:Oh it's Heike

She wasn't even in Barcelona which i thought was strange at the time, but tandfman is right you have to be retired for 10 years before you can be inducted

Who won wLJ in '92 then?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:04 am

preston wrote:
mump boy wrote:Oh it's Heike

She wasn't even in Barcelona which i thought was strange at the time, but tandfman is right you have to be retired for 10 years before you can be inducted

Who won wLJ in '92 then?


I meant at the Centenary Gala last weekend not OG :D
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:10 am

Flumpy wrote:Heike was my 2nd guess today. You told me I was wrong :?


No WE decided that she couldn't have been ranked that long. Who knew she was ranked from age of 16 in 81 ?? :shock: and then only had 1 year out to have a baby in 89 !! i assumed she was ranked from 83 and missed at least 1 other year in late 90's

She retired in 04 so should be a shoe in for '15
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Jon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:33 am

The criteria will most likely change for future additions:
https://iaafmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/misc ... ership.pdf
2013 and beyond

From 2013 onwards, the IAAF Hall of Fame Selection Panel will propose at least 4 new additions to the IAAF Hall of Fame membership each year some time prior to the annual World Athletics Gala.

While very strict criteria were agreed to select the inaugural list of 24 members in 2012, (at least 2 Olympic or World titles plus at least 1 World Record), these criteria may be extended in 2013 to allow athletes whose achievements had an extraordinary impact on our sport to be considered as well.


The IAAF only used such strict criteria for the first inductees simply as a way to whittle down the list, otherwise it would have been pretty overwhelming to try to choose 24 people from all the hundreds of legendary athletes.

I agree that there are several athletes who are more deserving than some of the ones who have so far been inducted, but wouldn't it be boring if all the big hitters went in at once?! :-) Spacing them out keeps it interesting.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:04 am

Jon wrote: wouldn't it be boring if all the big hitters went in at once?! :-) Spacing them out keeps it interesting.


V diplomatic :)
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Pego » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:21 am

Jon wrote:wouldn't it be boring if all the big hitters went in at once?


No :) .
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:31 am

Oops... forgot about the 10-year rule. USATF's stricture is only 3.

Allow me to suggest that 5 is good number (not coincidentally, the number baseball uses, which sets the standard by which all Halls should be measured).

What good will it do for the sport when 10 years from now Haile Gebrselassie still isn't in the Hall?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby dj » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:06 pm

gh wrote:Oops... forgot about the 10-year rule. USATF's stricture is only 3.

Allow me to suggest that 5 is good number (not coincidentally, the number baseball uses, which sets the standard by which all Halls should be measured).

What good will it do for the sport when 10 years from now Haile Gebrselassie still isn't in the Hall?



USATF is 5, used to be 4 .
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:44 pm

mump boy wrote:
Flumpy wrote:Heike was my 2nd guess today. You told me I was wrong :?


No WE decided that she couldn't have been ranked that long. Who knew she was ranked from age of 16 in 81 ?? :shock: and then only had 1 year out to have a baby in 89 !! i assumed she was ranked from 83 and missed at least 1 other year in late 90's

She retired in 04 so should be a shoe in for '15


I said '82 - 93 with one year off in '89. After all these years you really should know better than to doubt me :P
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:02 pm

Flumpy wrote:
mump boy wrote:
No WE decided that she couldn't have been ranked that long. Who knew she was ranked from age of 16 in 81 ?? :shock: and then only had 1 year out to have a baby in 89 !! i assumed she was ranked from 83 and missed at least 1 other year in late 90's

She retired in 04 so should be a shoe in for '15


I said '82 - 93 with one year off in '89. After all these years you really should know better than to doubt me :P


So that would be 11 years then :P
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:16 pm

gh wrote:Oops... forgot about the 10-year rule. USATF's stricture is only 3.

Allow me to suggest that 5 is good number (not coincidentally, the number baseball uses, which sets the standard by which all Halls should be measured).

What good will it do for the sport when 10 years from now Haile Gebrselassie still isn't in the Hall?


Because in those 10 year they can induct

Hannes Kolehmainen
Maritus Yifter
Vladamir Kuts
Lasse Viren
Said Aouita

instead
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby dj » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:17 am

gh wrote:Allow me to suggest that 5 is good number (not coincidentally, the number baseball uses, which sets the standard by which all Halls should be measured).


My underscore.

. . . Baseball . . . which sets the standard from which all Halls can be improved.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby andyjgt » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:33 am

dj wrote:
gh wrote:Allow me to suggest that 5 is good number (not coincidentally, the number baseball uses, which sets the standard by which all Halls should be measured).


My underscore.

. . . Baseball . . . which sets the standard from which all Halls can be improved.


It's also 5 in the NFL. (On that note, some of the inductions and omissions this year were a bit surprising I must say, and they still don't seem keen to add wide receivers.)
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:19 pm

I think the 10-year thing is a bad marketing mistake on the IAAF's part. That kind of gap is fine for the hardcore types who hang out here, but if you're trying to keep the sport vibrant and active and relate to the younger crowd, I think it imperative that your Hall of Fame be about people that impressionable young fans can relate to.

Even somebody as lordly as Bolt is going to see his star fade with the passage of time, and waiting 10 years to capitlize on him after he retires will be a lot of people lost.

Turning it into an old-farts game makes no sense at all to me.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:10 am

Five years feels right -- when you get to steady state. However, they have such a backlog to go through that it helps narrow the field at first. In general, I think recent events loom larger than stuff from long ago and would lead to a bit of a bias against achievements from the past.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby andyjgt » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:07 am

As long as Daley Thompson goes in before Kelly Holmes, any criteria are good.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:05 am

Spoke to Daley on Saturday. He called the IAAF Gala 'That thing in Barcelona' an when I suggested he should have been inducted before Dan O'Brien he said he couldn't care less and wished Dan all the best.

I think they'll induct him soon but I wouldn't hold your breathe he'll turn up and if he does I'm pretty certain he'll wear a tracksuit :lol:

By the way where were Jackie, Michael and Carl. All no shows :(
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby AS » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:28 am

Given current 8 year retrospective drug-testing window, perhaps the 10 year wait is judicious :?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:08 am

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I also think there is a huge backlog of older athletes that deserve to be inducted before those that only retired 5 years should even be considered.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:26 am

You guys haven't thought this through all the way, but thanks to your insight, a new T&FN policy just went into effect: the 2012 World Rankings will be published in 2020. As will the results of the voting for Athlete Of The Year. And we've written to the IOC/IAAF urging that there be no medal ceremonies at an OG/WC until then, at which point we're start having them on a 8-year-delay basis.

What better way to sell the sport than to convince the general public that they shouldn't be believing anything they see? I stand in awe of your genius for opening our eyes on this.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Flumpy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:08 pm

Awarding a Gold medal or announcing end of year rankings aren't remotely similar to inducting someone into a Hall of Fame.

Surely it behooves everyone involved to at least try and make sure people are not inducted who may subsequently have to be sanctioned for drug taking. There will undoubtedly be people inducted who shouldn't be but there is absolutely no harm in limiting the damage as much as possible and absolutely no reasom why people recently retired (And potentially in their 30's) need to be inducted with such haste.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:44 pm

It's not "haste"; it's applying common sense to trying to sell your sport to the general public. Just because the hardcores who post here and know the sport inside-out get just excited years down the line, you don't have to peel back the onion for many layers of oldies (and I can consider 10 years very much an oldie for a modern audience) before you get into "who gives a shit" mode for the wider audience.

And that's one thing a HOF should be doing; continually engaging the sports fan as a whole. Those are the people whose opinions count, not ours.
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby mump boy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:33 pm

gh wrote:It's not "haste"; it's applying common sense to trying to sell your sport to the general public. Just because the hardcores who post here and know the sport inside-out get just excited years down the line, you don't have to peel back the onion for many layers of oldies (and I can consider 10 years very much an oldie for a modern audience) before you get into "who gives a shit" mode for the wider audience.

And that's one thing a HOF should be doing; continually engaging the sports fan as a whole. Those are the people whose opinions count, not ours.


Gaz no one gives a shit if it's 5 years or 50 years

The IAAF do such a crap job of selling to sport nobody was aware of Hall of Fame apart from us hardcore anyway :(

Also i don't believe the idea that it's only young people who should be courted is short sighted
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby lionelp1 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:37 pm

Totally wrong on this one ,gh; selling the sport to the masses :)

Are you having a laugh at our expense. If one in 10,000 knows what a Hall of Fame is and that it now applies to athletics, I would be amazed.We are not impressing the great sporting public around the globe, who have heard of a few current athletes and that's it, mate.

Who needs a Hall of Fame; fans that care about track and field probably know some or most of the great athletes of the past. An American invention which is rather pointless, meaningless and slightly weird, in my opinion.

Good job cycling has not got one otherwise that fine upstanding shitbag, Armstrong, might have got in by 2012 :lol: :lol:
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby Powell » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:47 am

What's IAAF's definition of retirement, anyway? Joan Benoit ran in the Boston marathon as recently as last year; would that make her ineligible until 2022?
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Re: IAAF Hall Of Fame, Class of 2013

Postby gh » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:16 am

I could be confusing it with USATF requirements, but there is a rider that ignores "masters competition."
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