Rudisha loses...Eaton AOY?? [or Merritt?!]

[lionelp1]

but Bolt is not going to be AOY; either Rudisha or Merritt, for sure.

[Flumpy]

Well for some people will be marketing, for other people will be justice.
Nobody has universal opinion and unique.

Marketing would be if Bolt only wins 1 gold and with normal time.
And he got a lot of more that it...

I think Bolt being in the top 3 can already be considered a marketing decision

Agreed. He's my 5th and I could probably be persuaded to move him further down.

[aaronk]

but Bolt is not going to be AOY; either Rudisha or Merritt, for sure.

Merritt # 1 for SURE!!
No contest!!

But I'd pick Rudisha for # 2 by just one half of one point over Ashton Eaton!!

And if Eaton had run 4 seconds faster in the OG 1500, and gotten the OR, he would have been a CLEAR # 2 over Rudisha!!

Just my opinion!

[gh]

I can't see Bolt any higher than No. 4, even if you do count his relay achievement (which I don't). And he may well be only No. 5.

Either way, an IAAF win will be because it's a popularity contest, not because of achievement.

[ATK]

I can't see Bolt any higher than No. 4, even if you do count his relay achievement (which I don't). And he may well be only No. 5.

Either way, an IAAF win will be because it's a popularity contest, not because of achievement.

Exactly. Wasn't 2011 a great example of the popularity contest as well?

[gh]

I hasten to add that a Felix win on the women's side would also be (IMHO) a combination of too much credit for being on a relay and winning the popularity contest.

[Flumpy]

Let's not get started on Felix who should be world ranked about 8th

[EME1980]

I think the shortlist shuld have consisted of Merritt, Rudisha and Eaton. All three have broken WRs and won Olympic gold this year and I can't see how that can be topped.

[26mi235]

Well, historic Double Golds also have something to say for themselves, which covers Mo and Usain.

[mump boy]

Well, historic Double Golds also have something to say for themselves, which covers Mo and Usain.

I agree with the WR breakers being nominated for me doubles are great but similar to relays there are only a few athetes who have a realsitic chance of achieving them.

It is Robert Harting and Renauld Levellenie who are hard done by in these polls and i assume will be ranked highly on the T&FN one

[26mi235]

Well, historic Double Golds also have something to say for themselves, which covers Mo and Usain.

I agree with the WR breakers being nominated for me doubles are great but similar to relays there are only a few athetes who have a realsitic chance of achieving them.

It is Robert Harting and Renauld Levellenie who are hard done by in these polls and i assume will be ranked highly on the T&FN one

While doubles are dependent on the discipline, it is really not at all like the relays; you still have to do it on your own, not with the help of others. As for doubles, I have tended to think that distance doubles are harder, but the 10,000/5000 double has a direct Final for the 10,000, easing the burden. Otherwise, the notion that a heat or semi of the 100 takes as much out of you as one in the 1500, 3000SC, or 5000 is bordering on the absurd. (Caveat, there are fewer rounds at the longest distances, but that difference has narrowed with only three in the sprints.

[ZELLGADISS]

Very few for that Bolt gets his 4th AOY

[gh]

Something about Eaton that I'm not sure anybody mentioned before: he's the USaTF Indoor champ in teh LJ, has two wins over Oly bronze medalist Will Claye and while T&FN doesn't rank beyond No. 10, I suspect he'd end up about No. 15 in the world in that event. Has 45.87, 13.34w and 8.23 marks outside of decathlons, so he has more than the two competitions that we see frequently cited.

[aaronk]

Something about Eaton that I'm not sure anybody mentioned before: he's the USaTF Indoor champ in teh LJ, has two wins over Oly bronze medalist Will Claye and while T&FN doesn't rank beyond No. 10, I suspect he'd end up about No. 15 in the world in that event. Has 45.87, 13.34w and 8.23 marks outside of decathlons, so he has more than the two competitions that we see frequently cited.

Using your theory, wouldn't then the same apply to Jessica Ennis, since her 12.54 surely would rank her pretty high on the World list for 100H?

Not to mention her 7.87 60H this year is the 3rd best indoors, and she has the 2nd best Pent. score as well!!

[lionelp1]

Merritt won Gold and set a WR but DQed twice this year and got beaten, twice in DL meets..His season was great from the Trials onwards, but he dqed in Lausanne ?.

Rudisha,Eaton, Merritt,Bolt would be as reasonable as any number of other subjective judgments.

[gh]

Something about Eaton that I'm not sure anybody mentioned before: he's the USaTF Indoor champ in teh LJ, has two wins over Oly bronze medalist Will Claye and while T&FN doesn't rank beyond No. 10, I suspect he'd end up about No. 15 in the world in that event. Has 45.87, 13.34w and 8.23 marks outside of decathlons, so he has more than the two competitions that we see frequently cited.

Using your theory, wouldn't then the same apply to Jessica Ennis, since her 12.54 surely would rank her pretty high on the World list for 100H?

Not to mention her 7.87 60H this year is the 3rd best indoors, and she has the 2nd best Pent. score as well!!

If this weren't the men's AOY thread, I might respond.

[aaronk]

Something about Eaton that I'm not sure anybody mentioned before: he's the USaTF Indoor champ in teh LJ, has two wins over Oly bronze medalist Will Claye and while T&FN doesn't rank beyond No. 10, I suspect he'd end up about No. 15 in the world in that event. Has 45.87, 13.34w and 8.23 marks outside of decathlons, so he has more than the two competitions that we see frequently cited.

Using your theory, wouldn't then the same apply to Jessica Ennis, since her 12.54 surely would rank her pretty high on the World list for 100H?

Not to mention her 7.87 60H this year is the 3rd best indoors, and she has the 2nd best Pent. score as well!!

If this weren't the men's AOY thread, I might respond.

Sorry, gh!!
I'm REALLY computer-semi-literate!!
I put it here, because I don't know how to place a quote from one thread onto another, only onto the SAME thread!!
Otherwise, I would have done what you said!!
If you want to, feel free to transfer the above to the women's AOY thread, and respond.
Thanks!!

[Dave]

Three Olympic champions setting a WR in a given year seems like higher quality than other years. Is this par for the course for an Olympic year or was this a better year than usual?

[ZELLGADISS]

Only 1 day for that Bolt makes history again, 4th AOY in his great career

[Flumpy]

AOY

Merritt?
Rudisha?
Eaton?

Don't be ridiculous. Can't believe Aries and David actually turned up just to be insulted.

It's embarrassing.

[ZELLGADISS]

hehehe Bolt won AOY, i was totally sure.
The experts know it perfectly.
His performances were amazing, and yes for them 4x100 counts too
His times in points IAAF are a lot of better that WRS for merrit or rudisha, it is the reality.

RECORD 4TH TIME AOY for the genious USAIN BOLT¡¡¡

Now the haters were very angry

Next year if Bolt wins again 100,200 and 4x100 with WRs or wonderful times, he will get again this award.

Regards to everybody

[Flumpy]

You're weird.

[zidan]

I am not shocked that Bolt got it. His three-peat repeat was too historic to ignore.
IMO, he shouldn't have won it last year. Rudisha's WR trumps Merritt's for performance of the year, 'cause of course the scene of his 'crime' (Olympics) was that much bigger. I think the IAAF may have gotten it right this time (IMHO).

[bushop]

No wonder our sport struggles.
Idiotic decision after idiotic decision... this is just one more in a long list.

[t_monk]

Rudisha should have won....

[ZELLGADISS]

I admit that in 2011 was polemic decission, but this year is normal that he wins.
Wonderful year, historic triple victory in OG by 2nd consecutive time, and with wonderful times in each event.

Bolt is the GOAT

[t_monk]

I admit that in 2011 was polemic decission, but this year is normal that he wins.
Wonderful year, historic triple victory in OG by 2nd consecutive time, and with wonderful times in each event.

Bolt is the GOAT

KMT.... His season leading up to the Olympics was underwhelming at best... >_> He showed up for the Olympics (as most of us assumed that he would) but up to that point his season was substandard by far to Rudisha's. Rudisha then went to the Olympics and ran BAR NONE the most AMAZING 800m EVER ran in ANY condition/setting (the mere fact that he did it AT the Olympics would have emphasized how great a run this was). The only fault in the whole thing was Rudisha's final race of the season.

Rudisha deserved to win... this year.... again.

[ZELLGADISS]

I admit that in 2011 was polemic decission, but this year is normal that he wins.
Wonderful year, historic triple victory in OG by 2nd consecutive time, and with wonderful times in each event.

Bolt is the GOAT

KMT.... His season leading up to the Olympics was underwhelming at best... >_> He showed up for the Olympics (as most of us assumed that he would) but up to that point his season was substandard by far to Rudisha's. Rudisha then went to the Olympics and ran BAR NONE the most AMAZING 800m EVER ran in ANY condition/setting (the mere fact that he did it AT the Olympics would have emphasized how great a run this was). The only fault in the whole thing was Rudisha's final race of the season.

Rudisha deserved to win... this year.... again.

It is YOUR opinion.
For me won Bolt with justice.
To win 3 differents events by 2nd consecutive time(historic) with wonderful times is for me greater that WR.

[t_monk]

I admit that in 2011 was polemic decission, but this year is normal that he wins.
Wonderful year, historic triple victory in OG by 2nd consecutive time, and with wonderful times in each event.

Bolt is the GOAT

KMT.... His season leading up to the Olympics was underwhelming at best... >_> He showed up for the Olympics (as most of us assumed that he would) but up to that point his season was substandard by far to Rudisha's. Rudisha then went to the Olympics and ran BAR NONE the most AMAZING 800m EVER ran in ANY condition/setting (the mere fact that he did it AT the Olympics would have emphasized how great a run this was). The only fault in the whole thing was Rudisha's final race of the season.

Rudisha deserved to win... this year.... again.

It is YOUR opinion.
For me won Bolt with justice.
To win 3 differents events by 2nd consecutive time(historic) with wonderful times is for me greater that WR.

Yup... My opinion and the opinion from most unbiased persons who follow track and field.

[ZELLGADISS]

NO, it is your opinion and opinions of other pople that write in this forum.
But i heard coaches,athletes and journalists to tell that Bolt is winner with justice too.

So are opinions, and your opinion is not better that mine, is different.
And the votes in IAAF give AOY to Bolt.

Sorry by it

[t_monk]

NO, it is your opinion and opinions of other pople that write in this forum.
But i heard coaches,athletes and journalists to tell that Bolt is winner with justice too.

So are opinions, and your opinion is not better that mine, is different.
And the votes in IAAF give AOY to Bolt.

Sorry by it

Ok. Such is life anyways. No use complaining about these things.

[lionelp1]

Bolt and Felix ... weird decision but good for the PR stuff. Who the twerps are who voted for these decisions .......

[mump boy]

AOY

Merritt?
Rudisha?
Eaton?

Don't be ridiculous. Can't believ Aries and David actually turned up just to be insulted.

It's embarrassing.

Aries wasn't insulted he won "Inspiration of the Year" award

[Ned Ryerson]

NO, it is your opinion and opinions of other pople that write in this forum.
But i heard coaches,athletes and journalists to tell that Bolt is winner with justice too.

And last year, too?

[t_monk]

AOY

Merritt?
Rudisha?
Eaton?

Don't be ridiculous. Can't believ Aries and David actually turned up just to be insulted.

It's embarrassing.

Aries wasn't insulted he won "Inspiration of the Year" award

>_< Better they said there were giving them certificates of participation.... That being said though that is more than Adams or Ennis got....