Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)


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Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby GDAWG » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm


The two-part referendum first asked voters if they wanted to change Puerto Rico's 114-year relationship with the United States. A second question gave voters three alternatives if they wanted a change: become a U.S. state, gain independence, or have a "sovereign free association," a designation that would give more autonomy for the territory of 4 million people.

With 243 of 1,643 precincts reporting late Tuesday, 75,188 voters, or 53 percent, said they did not want to continue under the current political status. Forty-seven percent, or 67,304 voters, supported the status quo.

On the second question, 65 percent favored statehood, followed by 31 percent for sovereign free association and 4 percent for independence.


"Puerto Rico has to be a state. There is no other option," said 25-year-old Jerome Lefebre, who picked up his grandfather before driving to the polls. "We're doing OK, but we could do better. We would receive more benefits, a lot more financial help."

But 42-year-old Ramon Lopez de Azua said he favored the current system, which grants U.S. citizenship but prevents Puerto Ricans from voting for president unless they live in the United States, and gives those on the island only limited representation in Congress.

"Puerto Rico's problem is not its political status," he said. "I think that the United States is the best country in the world, but I am Puerto Rican first."

Both President Barack Obama and rival Mitt Romney said they supported the referendum, with Obama pledging to respect the will of the people if there was a clear majority. Any change would require approval by the U.S. Congress.

Puerto Rico held non-binding referendums in 1967, 1993 and 1998, with statehood never garnering a clear majority and independence never obtaining more than 5 percent of the vote.



http://www.chron.com/news/world/article ... 012422.php

If they do become a state officially, Puerto Rico loses it's sovereignty among the international sporting community. It could mean that by Rio, Javier Culson has a chance to wear "United States"
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby aaronk » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:42 pm

I was married for 5 years to a P.R. woman.
I've never been there (We lived in Eugene!), but she spent 20 years there, from 1966 to 1986.
She was a FERVENT Independentista, though she was born in NYC of P.R. parents.

There was an incident in 1978...labeled the "P.R. Watergate"...and detailed in Anne Nelson's book "Murder Under Two Flags"...and portrayed in the 1990 movie "A Show of Force", starring Amy Irving and Andy Garcia.

Allegedly, a group of independentistas wanted to sabotage the election for Governor that year, by destroying some radio towers, thus cutting off election news.
Two of them were murdered by US FBI agents.
The US-backed candidate was BEHIND by many 1000's of votes.
Then there was a blackout.
It lasted about a half hour.
When the power came back on, the US-backed candidate was AHEAD by about 100,000 votes!!!

Accusations of a cover-up...of the murders AND the FRAUD....ensued.
Thus the Watergate analogy.

I (as does my ex-wife) support the Independentista movement.

Statehood would only worsen the island's problems.
Continuing the status quo...when it IS the problem...is not the answer!!
I fear for the healthy future of this great land and its wonderful people!

What statehood might do for the track and field community of Puerto Rico is of little consequence in the greater scheme of things!
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby GDAWG » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:47 pm

Independence would basically allow Puerto Rico to keep their status in the sports world as a separate entity outside the United States.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby j-a-m » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:31 am

GDAWG wrote:It could mean that by Rio, Javier Culson has a chance to wear "United States"

Then again, it could also mean that he doesn't make the team in the first place, with all the competition in his event.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby GDAWG » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:18 am

j-a-m wrote:
GDAWG wrote:It could mean that by Rio, Javier Culson has a chance to wear "United States"

Then again, it could also mean that he doesn't make the team in the first place, with all the competition in his event.


Of course. He also has a distinct disadvantage of having not gone to school in the US mainland.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby gh » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:23 am

oh yes, no NCAA definititely an "advantage"! I mean, if you start with 1936, the total number of Olympic 400H gold medalists who didn't compete in the NCAA is exactly..... 1! (ignoring '80, when Moses would have won)
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby Al in NYC » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:57 am

Not to get too political here, but with the current configuration of Congress, and with one of our US political parties already in a major panic over the growth of the Hispanic electorate, I think the chances of Puerto Rico statehood are slim to none for the forseable future. As for independence, the movement for Puerto Rican independence is primarily centered in NYC and other mainland Puerto Rican communities. As in this most recent referendum, independence has never been a popular alternative amongst voters in Puerto Rico itself. So, for now, the most likely outcome is the status quo, perhaps with some tweaks to give the island somewhat more autonomy.

As for what this means for T&F and other Olympic sports, those too will probably maintain the situation as is. Although the IOC seems to want to cease giving separate membership status to any more of these semi-independent entities. Witness what happened with the remaining parts of the Netherlands Antilles after its breakup.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby DoubleRBar » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:51 pm

The big problem might be figuring how to arrange 51 stars on the U.S. flag.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby GDAWG » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:34 pm

Al in NYC wrote:Not to get too political here, but with the current configuration of Congress, and with one of our US political parties already in a major panic over the growth of the Hispanic electorate, I think the chances of Puerto Rico statehood are slim to none for the forseable future. As for independence, the movement for Puerto Rican independence is primarily centered in NYC and other mainland Puerto Rican communities. As in this most recent referendum, independence has never been a popular alternative amongst voters in Puerto Rico itself. So, for now, the most likely outcome is the status quo, perhaps with some tweaks to give the island somewhat more autonomy.

As for what this means for T&F and other Olympic sports, those too will probably maintain the situation as is. Although the IOC seems to want to cease giving separate membership status to any more of these semi-independent entities. Witness what happened with the remaining parts of the Netherlands Antilles after its breakup.


The IOC would replace Puerto Rico with the newly independent South Sudan in the Parade of Nations as I would expect that the USOC will want Puerto Rican athletes to compete for the United States only.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby bambam » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:42 pm

DoubleRBar wrote:The big problem might be figuring how to arrange 51 stars on the U.S. flag.


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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby bambam » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:46 pm

The IOC's current policy is that they do not like entities like Puerto Rico, British Virgin Islands, Netherlands Antilles (before it went away). These are territories or otherwise affiliated entities of larger nations. They have been grandfathered in by the IOC because they have had NOCs for many years now. But the current policy does not allow a nation to have an NOC recognized by the IOC, unless the "nation" is eligible for membership in the United Nations. By that policy Puerto Rico would not be eligible currently if it were not grandfathered. As a state, it would also not be eligible. Independently, it would.

In addition to South Sudan, another possible soon-to-be nation is Scotland which has approved a referendum for independence in 2014. That will be very interesting.
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Re: Puerto Rico Status (how it affects Moscow 2013)

Postby bambam » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:47 pm

DoubleRBar wrote:The big problem might be figuring how to arrange 51 stars on the U.S. flag.


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