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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:25 pm

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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:26 pm

<<We have decided to cancel the NYC marathon. The New York Road Runners will have additional information in days ahead for participants. >>
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:31 pm

Via MSNBC-

"We would not want a cloud to hang over the race or its participants, and so we have decided to cancel it," New York Mayor Bloomberg says in statement.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:00 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:....
I see it differently since all the runners from all over the world and the local businessmen would have still been shit out of luck. If insurance will cover their bottom line, greed can't possibly be their motivating factor for going ahead with the race....


Partially greed, and largely (IMHO) the swagger factor. Bloomberg in a pissing match with the rest of the world (even if the rest of the world isn't playing) to show that New Yorkers are the toughest and can stand up in any kind of adversity.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby gh » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:49 pm

so should the NFL game go on as planned on Sunday? I lean towards yes, its actually being in Jersey, although if it puts a stress on mass transit systems.....
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Al in NYC » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:20 pm

Got my power back just in time to see the news conference about the marathon cancellation on NY1 (our local cable news channel in NYC). Frankly, Mary Wittenburg was rather too defensive and still looked and sounded clueless about the whole issue, as she teared up about the sacrifices of the (paid) elite runners.

Of course, the marathon should have been cancelled back on Tuesday - at the latest - once it became clear just how devastating the storm had been. It was as if the Mayor's office and NYRR were trying to wish away the extent of the mess the city and the area are in in order to preserve the race.

But the public, political, and media tone was becoming very nasty in this area over the seemingly bizarre decision to bull ahead with the race, no matter what. I think it finally dawned on someone over at the NYRR today that there were actually going to be protests against the race, that runners would be booed and jeered, that the race may be disrupted, and that everyone involved was going to take a lot of heat over the whole thing.

Now NY1 is interviewing people who are leaving the pre-marathon expo at the Javitz Center. People who flew in to run are quite justifiably pissed that they travelled all the way here, on the promise of the city and the race organizers that the marathon would go on as scheduled, only to have the rug pulled out from under them a day-and-a-half before the race.

One has to wonder why the decision wasn't taken much earlier, before they traveled all this way, checked into their hotels, and spent a lot of money. And just who is primarily responsible for the ridiculous way this fiasco was handled - the NYRR, the Mayor's office, or both?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Al in NYC » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:32 pm

gh wrote:so should the NFL game go on as planned on Sunday? I lean towards yes, its actually being in Jersey, although if it puts a stress on mass transit systems.....


The Giants game is a bit different, because it being held in a location set up for, and dedicated to, the holding of NFL games. It's not taking up city streets, and is in a location that was relatively unscathed by the storm and its aftermath. And most of the Giant crowds arrive by car, not mass transit.

Still, given the condition of other nearby parts of New Jersey, the continuing lack of power for so many people all over the area, the extreme shortage of gasoline throughout the area, the challenges that the road and transportation systems are facing around here, and the fact that many ticketholders will clearly be unable to attend, I think it is a very close decision. I would not have been surprised if they had decided to hold it elsewhere.

But it's not anything like the jaw-droppingly heedless decision that trying to hold the marathon on Sunday was.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby aaronk » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:44 pm

In 1972, in Munich, 11 Israeli's were slaughtered by terrorists....yet the Games went on!!

In 1989, a massive earthquake hit the San Francisco Bay Area, killing around 60 people, destroying a portion of the Oakland-Bay Bridge, and shutting down the BART system!! Yet the Series was only postponed, not cancelled!!

Can't wait to see what the NYRR have to say about this!!
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby KevinM » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:10 pm

aaronk wrote:In 1972, in Munich, 11 Israeli's were slaughtered by terrorists....yet the Games went on!!

In 1989, a massive earthquake hit the San Francisco Bay Area, killing around 60 people, destroying a portion of the Oakland-Bay Bridge, and shutting down the BART system!! Yet the Series was only postponed, not cancelled!!

Can't wait to see what the NYRR have to say about this!!


I think it's wrongheaded to rest this decision solely on NYRR. They are certainly headed by someone with ambition on obnoxious overdrive at times, but as gh mentions, Bloomberg is at least equally complicit (if not more so).

Coming on the heels of the somewhat scathing NY Times article about the exorbitant fees and rapid growth of the race, it will be interesting to see if NYRR reads the glaringly obvious tea leaves and makes things a bit more modest,affordable, true to its roots in coming years, or if they double down to make up from lost revenue this year.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby bobguild76 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:15 pm

In light of the massive clean up, and the unique demands the marathon puts on the city, 'twas a good decision to cancel. With scheduling the way it is, I don't know if the NYRR could move a 50,000 runner event to another Sunday.

For the vast majority of runners, it will be sad to not have the race. But, for the elite men & women, the impact is greater. Wilson Kipsang wants to prove the Olympic Bronze was an off day. Moses Mosop wants to prove he's the best. Meb wants to get a chance to run another competitive marathon and go sub 2:09.

Tike Gelana wants to build on her Olympic victory. Tatyana Arkhipova wants to build on her Bronze. Edna Kiplagat wants to put her Olympic race behind her.

There isn't any way to replicate the competitive nature of the NYC elite fields. In my dream world, wouldn't it be nice to have the elite fields run next Sunday? Provided the clean up is progressing. Again, it would be hard to work the logistics regarding closing roads and bridges on a weeks notice ... but it would a far lighter footprint, since there would be maybe 100 men and 100 women. If only ...

An additional question ... How will this affect the WMM standings and payout?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby ExCoastRanger » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:45 pm

bobguild76 wrote:For the vast majority of runners, it will be sad to not have the race. But, for the elite men & women, the impact is greater....


You have it backwards.
The elites did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to enter the race, more to rent their own hotel rooms, more to reach NYC. They did not have to take time off work for a long weekend. They likely did not train for the better part of a year with this one event as their singular focus. And they probably already have offers (or agents seeking offers) for all-expenses-paid trips to other races in the coming weeks.
For the elites this is an inconvenience at the worst.
The vast majority of runners are actually really screwed and it will impact them in very real ways.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:12 pm

gh wrote:<<We have decided to cancel the NYC marathon. The New York Road Runners will have additional information in days ahead for participants. >>

Ed Rendell probably thinks they're a bunch of wussies.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:57 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:
bobguild76 wrote:For the vast majority of runners, it will be sad to not have the race. But, for the elite men & women, the impact is greater....


You have it backwards.
The elites did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to enter the race, more to rent their own hotel rooms, more to reach NYC. They did not have to take time off work for a long weekend. They likely did not train for the better part of a year with this one event as their singular focus. And they probably already have offers (or agents seeking offers) for all-expenses-paid trips to other races in the coming weeks.
For the elites this is an inconvenience at the worst.
The vast majority of runners are actually really screwed and it will impact them in very real ways.


I do not know if you are being facetious or not, but the elites get very few paydays and this was one of them. How about if you did not get paid for the next half of the year?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:21 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:They likely did not train for the better part of a year with this one event as their singular focus. And they probably already have offers (or agents seeking offers) for all-expenses-paid trips to other races in the coming weeks.
For the elites this is an inconvenience at the worst.

You don't seem to have a grasp on what world-class marathoning involves these days.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Wittenberg and Bloomberg did no one any favors as they stubbornly sharpened their Nero impressions all week...

I have tremendous sympathy for the runners, elite and average. If it were me here's what I would do as NYRR president(forgetting for the moment I would have postponed/cancelled on Wednesday...)

1. Refund all entry fees for this year. A no-brainer.

2. Offer FREE entry to next year's race for anyone who made the trip to NY for this year's event. It probably won't offset all the expenses incurred, but would be a reasonable goodwill gesture.

3. Use the buses chartered to transport runners/belongings Sunday to take any runners/volunteers who wish to utilize Sunday as a day of service to Staten Island, Brooklyn, New Jersey, or any of the hard hit and still-recovering areas of the region.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:02 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:
bobguild76 wrote:For the vast majority of runners, it will be sad to not have the race. But, for the elite men & women, the impact is greater....


You have it backwards.
The elites did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to enter the race, more to rent their own hotel rooms, more to reach NYC. They did not have to take time off work for a long weekend. They likely did not train for the better part of a year with this one event as their singular focus. And they probably already have offers (or agents seeking offers) for all-expenses-paid trips to other races in the coming weeks.
For the elites this is an inconvenience at the worst.
The vast majority of runners are actually really screwed and it will impact them in very real ways.


It's a glorified vacation for most of the field. It's still a vacation for them.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:08 pm

gh wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:....
I see it differently since all the runners from all over the world and the local businessmen would have still been shit out of luck. If insurance will cover their bottom line, greed can't possibly be their motivating factor for going ahead with the race....


Partially greed, and largely (IMHO) the swagger factor. Bloomberg in a pissing match with the rest of the world (even if the rest of the world isn't playing) to show that New Yorkers are the toughest and can stand up in any kind of adversity.


I felt he was trying to Giuliani the Marathon in an attempt to make it seem as if everything was ok. It's not ok yet. It will be. But it isn't now.

NFL games and NBA games can be different. Those are held in one spot and, for all intents and purposes, can be played in an empty stadium if need be.

The NYC Marathon, in addition to being a competitive event for some, is always presented in a "celebratory" fashion which would have seemed ridiculous at this juncture. The race was appropriately cancelled. I'm from NY, have run in many NYC marathons and still have friends and family without some basic necessities. Running the race would have been absurd.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:57 pm

26mi235 wrote: I do not know if you are being facetious or not, but the elites get very few paydays and this was one of them. How about if you did not get paid for the next half of the year?

Do they not get paid at all? In other words, do the contracts they sign give the event organizer the option to arbitrarily cancel the event?
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:58 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:The vast majority of runners are actually really screwed and it will impact them in very real ways.

Yes, and the cancellation came too late to adequatley change travel plans.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:01 am

guru wrote:I have tremendous sympathy for the runners, elite and average.

Yes, and according to the official statement, running the event would not even have diverted resources from rescue efforts. The statement makes it clear that the event was cancelled just for political reasons.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby az2004 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:17 am

finally sanity for wittenberg and bloomberg

many without any pwer, or hot food, or even gas

to run the face would have been a crime, the polls 85% against the race yell you everything

stepen a smith rant on espn was waht a pure new yorher view,

with another nor easter likely middle of new week, with the current damage, good decision now

who gives a bleep about pro runners

i'll bedoing the philly marathon nov 18, missed my final 20 miler bevaues 20 in 30mph last sunday would have been too hard

doubt my target, sub 4 is possible now, but the objecy is to do my best given conditions, and wait for next year
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:42 am

j-a-m wrote:
guru wrote:I have tremendous sympathy for the runners, elite and average.

Yes, and according to the official statement, running the event would not even have diverted resources from rescue efforts.

In the public's mind, that claim was effectly debunked by the front page of Friday's New York Post, which showed two generators under the headline "ABUSE OF POWER".

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcv5o ... 1_1280.jpg

As I understand it, those generators were going to power the press tent, when (according to the Post) they could have been powering apartment houses in which people have been living without heat, hot water, lights, or elevator service.

The Post cover itself intensified the public sentiment against holding the marathon.

Anger toward the mayor and marathon officials mounted throughout Friday after a New York Post cover depicted two massive generators devoted to powering the press tent in Manhattan, while many citizens on Staten Island and the outer reaches of Queens remained in the dark.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/new-york-c ... ublic.html
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:29 am

The most difficult thing about holding the race would have been the start which takes place in Staten Island. The visual of runners running past all that carnage would not have looked good on TV.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:31 am

tandfman wrote:The Post cover itself intensified the public sentiment against holding the marathon.

Just seems to me the media is looking for scapegoats there. Those power outages are the local utilities company's fault for not taking care of their infrastructure; they are not the marathoner's fault.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby az2004 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:56 am

not taking care of infrastructure

ah, sandy was a monster storn, and nothing could have prevented the outages

i live in philly, and transformers were bloing lft and right of me..

it was the luck of the draw, i didn't lose poweer

with tems 10 degreees below normal, i was lucky

new york wasn't quite nawlins in terms of devastation, but cancelling the race was the right thing to do

and theree's another storm expected on wednesday, hope all their efforts get poweer back, as the new storm will knock some out again...
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby az2004 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:08 am

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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:45 am

j-a-m wrote:
tandfman wrote:The Post cover itself intensified the public sentiment against holding the marathon.

Just seems to me the media is looking for scapegoats there. Those power outages are the local utilities company's fault for not taking care of their infrastructure; they are not the marathoner's fault.


You've got to be kidding.

It's real simple. There are still plenty of residents of the area without power, homes, food, gas and assorted other facets of the basic necessities of living in a normal fashion yet some believe that there is any relative importance to running a race which, when it gets down to the core is basically all about feeling good about ourselves?

Some of these nitwits I read about and see whining and crying about not being able to run a race really need an education in perspective.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby tandfman » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:03 am

jazzcyclist wrote:The most difficult thing about holding the race would have been the start which takes place in Staten Island. The visual of runners running past all that carnage would not have looked good on TV.

The runners would not have run past the carnage. The race starts at the foot of the bridge. When it's not filled with runners, it's just a huge toll plaza. That's not where the carnage was, and so if the carnage were visible to the tv audience at all, it would only be because some director inserted video clips of something that happened, or was happening, elsewhere on Staten Island.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby guru » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:30 am

Actor Anson Mount walking the walk. After railing against the marathon before it's cancellation, working today with relief efforts on Staten Island. Anyone planning to help can get a pretty good idea what's needed by following his twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/ansonmount
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:05 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
ExCoastRanger wrote:They likely did not train for the better part of a year with this one event as their singular focus. And they probably already have offers (or agents seeking offers) for all-expenses-paid trips to other races in the coming weeks.
For the elites this is an inconvenience at the worst.

You don't seem to have a grasp on what world-class marathoning involves these days.


Actually I think I have a pretty good grasp -- for a fan -- of how things work at the pro level. I sympathize with their situation. And 26mi's point about a missed payday is taken. But these are Olympic medal winners and world-list leaders we're talking about here. They will find another payday.

What I have a really good grasp on is what it's like to try to balance more than full-time work and family, train your ass off, try to eke out of a rigid schedule a few irrevocable and unpaid days off, and try to budget for the event and the travel to and from event. Maybe, as somebody else said, it is a glorified vacation for many, but it may be the only one some of those folks get or can afford for the whole year. And for something like the NYC Marathon, they could be missing a once-in-a-lifetime experience. It's hard to get all those stars aligned and ducks in a row.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:03 pm

j-a-m wrote:
26mi235 wrote: I do not know if you are being facetious or not, but the elites get very few paydays and this was one of them. How about if you did not get paid for the next half of the year?

Do they not get paid at all? In other words, do the contracts they sign give the event organizer the option to arbitrarily cancel the event?


Read Jazz's comment above. Much of their earnings come directly from the few big races, not from sponsorship dollars. Also, if they are not running this race, then they have less to pin their base to for sponsorship dollars.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:46 pm

26mi235 wrote:Read Jazz's comment above. Much of their earnings come directly from the few big races, not from sponsorship dollars. Also, if they are not running this race, then they have less to pin their base to for sponsorship dollars.

Yeah, I agree with you that this is a big issue for the elite runners.

I was just wondering if they have some legal claim against NYRR (or whoever the event organizer is). I assume there's a contract between NYRR and elite runners that establishes in which scenarios NYRR doesn't have to pay them, and I was just curious whether it's obvious that the current scenario is covered by that.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:50 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:What I have a really good grasp on is what it's like to try to balance more than full-time work and family, train your ass off, try to eke out of a rigid schedule a few irrevocable and unpaid days off, and try to budget for the event and the travel to and from event. Maybe, as somebody else said, it is a glorified vacation for many, but it may be the only one some of those folks get or can afford for the whole year. And for something like the NYC Marathon, they could be missing a once-in-a-lifetime experience. It's hard to get all those stars aligned and ducks in a row.

I agree with all of this. It is a big loss and disappointment for the serious amateurs, but that's no reason to trivialize the loss for the pros. FYI, in their heyday, runners of the caliber of Paula Radcliffe and Haile Gebreselassie were reportedly getting appearance fees in the $300,000 -$500,000 range. That's serious money for a distance runner. You can't make that working at McDonald's
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby TN1965 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:17 pm

This NYT article suggests it's hard for the elites to find a "replacement" race, because the elite fields for upcoming marathons in November and December are already set, and the organizers do not have the extra money to invite additional runners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/sport ... money.html
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:23 pm

Did not mean to trivialize the pros.
Crappy situation all around.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:16 pm

j-a-m wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Read Jazz's comment above. Much of their earnings come directly from the few big races, not from sponsorship dollars. Also, if they are not running this race, then they have less to pin their base to for sponsorship dollars.

Yeah, I agree with you that this is a big issue for the elite runners.

I was just wondering if they have some legal claim against NYRR (or whoever the event organizer is). I assume there's a contract between NYRR and elite runners that establishes in which scenarios NYRR doesn't have to pay them, and I was just curious whether it's obvious that the current scenario is covered by that.


NYRR is a very big operation, not some small-scale race promoter. They are in a very litigious area. I think that their attorneys probably have reasonable elements in contracts with the elite runners.

Why are people speculating so widely (and wildly) with very little knowledge of the full situation. Just sit back and see what happens, it is not like you have to get a jump on knowing what might occur.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Al in NYC » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:13 pm

j-a-m wrote:
tandfman wrote:The Post cover itself intensified the public sentiment against holding the marathon.

Just seems to me the media is looking for scapegoats there. Those power outages are the local utilities company's fault for not taking care of their infrastructure; they are not the marathoner's fault.


You're joking, right? This was a hurricane with 90 MPH winds that created a 7 to 15 foot storm surge that hit at high tide during a full moon. There's not a power system anywhere that is designed to handle something like that.

No, it isn't the fault of marathon runners, but neither is it the fault of the hundreds of thousands of people who are without electricity or heat (and it was in the 30s this morning), and the thousands of people whose homes have been destroyed.

The way the marathon was cancelled was stupidly handled. It should have happened several days earlier when it was clear just how devastating the storm had been, which would have saved everyone a lot of problems. But cancelling the marathon was not stupid, and was the only right thing to do.

Of course, the NYRR botched even the aftermath of the marathon cancellation by shipping their generators back to the warehouse, rather than out to somewhere where they are desperately needed (for example, the 12 story 240 unit apartment building in Rockaway I was delivering supplies to yesterday, which is primarily occupied by senior citizens and has had no power, heat, or hot water since Monday), and then sending out a release to the runners that blamed the cancellation on the media. It is astounding just how utterly clueless Wittenberg and the NYRR people have been during this whole fiasco.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby j-a-m » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:20 am

Al in NYC wrote:You're joking, right? This was a hurricane with 90 MPH winds that created a 7 to 15 foot storm surge that hit at high tide during a full moon. There's not a power system anywhere that is designed to handle something like that.

I wasn't talking about power outages for a couple days that can of course be expected following such a storm. I'm not in NYC, but from the media coverage it seems those outages are expected to last for weeks. And with respect to that, I would put significant blame on Con Ed (or whatever the utilties company is).

And if Con Ed doesn't manage to turn power back on within a week, then I'd consider it their responsibility to find backup generators. So when a newspaper blames a lack of electricity one week after the hurricane on someone else, then yeah, they're just looking for scapegoats.
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:29 am

Al in NYC wrote: It is astounding just how utterly clueless Wittenberg and the NYRR people have been during this whole fiasco.


Phil Hersh gets it right.

    It took far too long for Bloomberg and Mary Wittenberg, chief executive of the race organizers, to understand that the wrong-headed decision to go ahead with the event was an obscene gesture and slap in the face at Staten Islanders – and all other New Yorkers whose lives have been turned upside down by the storm.

    By her failure to realize that, Wittenberg had become Witlessberg, no matter that she had the mayor’s irrational and inexplicable imprimatur to proceed.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... -bloomberg

Especially with reports like this:

    Less than 48 hours before the race, the list of politicians calling for it to be canceled was growing. Online petitions were ballooning and protests were being planned. Reports circulated that volunteers setting up equipment had been pelted with eggs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/sport ... ref=sports
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Re: nyc marathon and weather

Postby Al in NYC » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:14 am

j-a-m wrote:
Al in NYC wrote:You're joking, right? This was a hurricane with 90 MPH winds that created a 7 to 15 foot storm surge that hit at high tide during a full moon. There's not a power system anywhere that is designed to handle something like that.

I wasn't talking about power outages for a couple days that can of course be expected following such a storm. I'm not in NYC, but from the media coverage it seems those outages are expected to last for weeks. And with respect to that, I would put significant blame on Con Ed (or whatever the utilties company is).

And if Con Ed doesn't manage to turn power back on within a week, then I'd consider it their responsibility to find backup generators. So when a newspaper blames a lack of electricity one week after the hurricane on someone else, then yeah, they're just looking for scapegoats.


I would kindly suggest that your comments show that you don't really have any concept of the scale of the damage or the problems the storm caused here.
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