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Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tc » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:55 am

Ignoring, for the moment, the rich pool of possibilities at and around the political conventions, this would have to be a serious candidate:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man- ... 819352.php
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby jeremyp » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:04 am

tc wrote:Ignoring, for the moment, the rich pool of possibilities at and around the political conventions, this would have to be a serious candidate:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man- ... 819352.php


Never trust a man with a three barrelled name.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby KDFINE » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:59 pm

Why is it called the Darwin Award?
Is it because this example is "proof" that evolution isn't necessarily going forward?
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby scottmitchell74 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Natural Selection. These people who doing mind-numbingly stupid things "select" themselves to be removed from the gene pool. Darwin's theory in action.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:59 pm

Here's the link for an ongoing thread on this topic.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34939&p=529118&hilit=darwin#p529118
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby KDFINE » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:45 pm

Thanks for the (now obvious) explanation.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby 18.99s » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:55 am

Stupidity is not illegal, but sometimes it carries the death penalty.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby lapsus » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:26 am

I prefer the Ig-Nobels myself these days because usually there's more variety, and also because some recipients will actually come to the ceremony and even appear to be pleased by the award.

I do have to admit that according to the news report, this case was one of the more novel, dare I say innovative, candidates. Sometimes I worry if there are people trying to intentionally win the award...
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby DrJay » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:23 pm

18.99s wrote:Stupidity is not illegal, but sometimes it carries the death penalty.

One of the best bumper stickers I've seen: "Stupidity should be painful"
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:49 am

Wow, that is incredible. Who would ever think of something so dumb. I wouldn't send a dog in the mail.

You would think of at least having a knife to get out in case you got lost in the mail, which was the second dumb thing, or at least poking a hole...

I really think this takes the Grand Prize.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby lonewolf » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:14 am

He was lucky the mail was misplaced for only three hours.. how about three days?
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby bekayne » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:45 pm

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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:17 pm

tc wrote:Ignoring, for the moment, the rich pool of possibilities at and around the political conventions, this would have to be a serious candidate:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man- ... 819352.php

Not only did this guy get himself killed, he may have spent a few bucks doing so. Ghillie suits, apparently, are not cheap.

http://www.ghilliesuitsource.com/
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:40 am

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/08/3 ... ating.html

They say it wasn't cause and effect, but one has to wonder.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:10 am

After downing more than 20 giant creepy-crawlies [cokroaches], Archbold vomited, collapsed and died.
Investigators with the Broward Sheriff’s Office are awaiting an autopsy report to determine what killed him.

Not to mock the dead, but may I hazard a guess . . .
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:34 am

Unbelievable.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby DrJay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:26 am

From the medical/pathology angle I find this one really interesting. What will they find as the cause? There was mention of super worms. My son's lizard (a bearded dragon) eats mostly crickets but also some meal worms. The larger ones from the pet store are labeled "super worms" and they have some sort of pincers that I learned about while picking one up to put in the aquarium. Maybe he downed some of those live and they chewed through his stomach wall? Seems unlikely as he died at the scene, I believe, and with a perforated ulcer you have a good bit of time, often hours, before the surgeon is truly behind the 8-ball.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:40 am

DrJay wrote:they have some sort of pincers that I learned about while picking one up to put in the aquarium. Maybe he downed some of those live and they chewed through his stomach wall?

OK, I just threw up a little, in my mouth. I assumed he chewed them up - did he swallow them whole?! If so, he absolutely gets this year's Darwin Award!! :shock:
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Pego » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:52 am

DrJay wrote:From the medical/pathology angle I find this one really interesting. What will they find as the cause? There was mention of super worms. My son's lizard (a bearded dragon) eats mostly crickets but also some meal worms. The larger ones from the pet store are labeled "super worms" and they have some sort of pincers that I learned about while picking one up to put in the aquarium. Maybe he downed some of those live and they chewed through his stomach wall? Seems unlikely as he died at the scene, I believe, and with a perforated ulcer you have a good bit of time, often hours, before the surgeon is truly behind the 8-ball.


I suspect some toxic substance in the bugs.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby lonewolf » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:09 am

Pego wrote:[
I suspect some toxic substance in the bugs.

That was my unprofessional guess too but why were the other contestants not affected?
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:59 pm

It may be weeks before they figure out why he died.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10 ... perts?lite
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:45 pm

They've now figured it out. He choked to death.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/us/florid ... ing-death/
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:40 pm

This is the big story in Chicago. One of the dumbest things I have heard of.

    Nick Wieme, the aspiring stand-up comedian who made the fatal mistake early Thursday morning of climbing above the iconic domed rooftop of the InterContinental Hotel on Michigan Avenue to take pictures, was a “fantastic human,” his brother said.

    Nick was “awesome,” Jamie Wieme said of his sibling who loved his family “fiercely.”

    “We need a stadium to hold his funeral.”

    But then Jamie Wieme asked to be left alone so he could grieve with loved ones the sudden and bizarre death of the 23-year-old Minnesota transplant who fell down a chimney at the hotel at 505 N. Michigan and died after rescue crews pulled him from the shaft.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/16987022-4 ... hotel.html
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:53 pm

I have to assume some alcohol was involved in that photo shoot decision.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby jhc68 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:16 pm

I love this: Storage Wars (a "reality" TV show) is being sued by Dave Hester, one of the "stars", for wrongful termination claiming that he was fired after butting heads with the producers of the show because he suddenly realized that the show was fraudulent (that is to say, not "reality" at all but completely manipulated) and his objections resulted in his dismissal... there are 3 distinct manifestations of stupidity here:

1) Apparently it took several seasons of the show for Hester to figure out that the producers were supplying their own bogus versions of "reality" right before his very eyes.

2) Hester was then so dumb that he bit the hand that feeds him by pissing off the producers.

3) Best of all, masses of TV fans and media observers are astounded and outraged by the idea that "reality" TV shows are not factual documentaries!!! WTF.

I sometimes watch the show because I like to Barry, one of the regulars and a wonderfully entertaining eccentric. No rational person (and I include myself rather uncertainly in this category) could ever have believed that any of the BS that went in on the episodes was real and it is tough to digest the idea that anyone might have ever thought the show was "reality". Duh.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby gh » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:18 pm

Thank goodness this thread wasn't renewed for the xth revival of the "x-year Darwin Awards": have you ever noticed that every year (or more frequently) this crap stuffs your in-box, but basically it's the same stories every year? It's not like the Darwin Committee meets side-by-side with the Nobel people and they have a big annoucement in Stockholm.

This is free-form internet bullshit people. Hello!
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Blues » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:34 am

Conor Dary wrote:This is the big story in Chicago. One of the dumbest things I have heard of.

    Nick Wieme, the aspiring stand-up comedian who made the fatal mistake early Thursday morning of climbing above the iconic domed rooftop of the InterContinental Hotel on Michigan Avenue to take pictures, was a “fantastic human,” his brother said.

    Nick was “awesome,” Jamie Wieme said of his sibling who loved his family “fiercely.”

    “We need a stadium to hold his funeral.”

    But then Jamie Wieme asked to be left alone so he could grieve with loved ones the sudden and bizarre death of the 23-year-old Minnesota transplant who fell down a chimney at the hotel at 505 N. Michigan and died after rescue crews pulled him from the shaft.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/16987022-4 ... hotel.html




Sad story.. As somebody with a passion for photography myself, I can understand someone taking a risk for a unique photo opportunity. It was dark, and maybe he slipped on ice or soot or encountered a sudden gust of wind, or didn't see the outer octagonal opening on top of the smokestack (see photo link below) and fell into that. I'm afraid that if I had a rare opportunity to get a few once in a lifetime photos (like a clear view of Chicago at night from a vantage point at the top of a hotel smokestack), it's possible that I might do a little climbing too.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/chicago%20hotel.jpeg
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:50 am

Blues wrote:

Sad story.. As somebody with a passion for photography myself, I can understand someone taking a risk for a unique photo opportunity. It was dark, and maybe he slipped on ice or soot or encountered a sudden gust of wind, or didn't see the outer octagonal opening on top of the smokestack (see photo link below) and fell into that. I'm afraid that if I had a rare opportunity to get a few once in a lifetime photos (like a clear view of Chicago at night from a vantage point at the top of a hotel smokestack), it's possible that I might do a little climbing too.


I do a lot of photography myself, but you have to use common sense, which was obviously lacking in this case.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Blues » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:02 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
Blues wrote:

Sad story.. As somebody with a passion for photography myself, I can understand someone taking a risk for a unique photo opportunity. It was dark, and maybe he slipped on ice or soot or encountered a sudden gust of wind, or didn't see the outer octagonal opening on top of the smokestack (see photo link below) and fell into that. I'm afraid that if I had a rare opportunity to get a few once in a lifetime photos (like a clear view of Chicago at night from a vantage point at the top of a hotel smokestack), it's possible that I might do a little climbing too.


I do a lot of photography myself, but you have to use common sense, which was obviously lacking in this case.


Maybe. But the area wasn't locked, and there's always a possibility that he didn't know the tower was a smokestack, since it was designed not to look like one from the outside. Allegedly he fell into the smokestack when he tripped after stepping out onto what he thought was a ledge to try to get a better photo, after climbing to the top. Since it was dark I wonder if he tripped over the octagonal opening and then fell into the 6 foot circular opening which was about 2 feet away toward the center of the structure, or if he mistakenly assumed that the entire upper surface was a solid roof or deck. Since he didn't break in, it'll be interesting to know what, if any, posted warnings he ignored.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:07 pm

Blues wrote: Since he didn't break in, it'll be interesting to know what, if any, posted warnings he ignored.


Lord, protect us because we are too dumb to do it ourselves...
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Blues » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:07 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
Blues wrote: Since he didn't break in, it'll be interesting to know what, if any, posted warnings he ignored.


Lord, protect us because we are too dumb to do it ourselves...


I'll agree with you if and only if he knew he was walking on top of a giant smokestack. If he thought it was an additional observation deck or something similar (since it was in the area of the hotel's observation deck and obviously not made to look like a smokestack), and if there were no warnings to the contrary and no locks on the doors or ladders, I might choose to call him adventurous or curious rather than dumb...
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Pego » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:21 pm

Blues wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
Blues wrote: Since he didn't break in, it'll be interesting to know what, if any, posted warnings he ignored.


Lord, protect us because we are too dumb to do it ourselves...


I'll agree with you if and only if he knew he was walking on top of a giant smokestack. If he thought it was an additional observation deck or something similar (since it was in the area of the hotel's observation deck and obviously not made to look like a smokestack), and if there were no warnings to the contrary and no locks on the doors or ladders, I might choose to call him adventurous or curious rather than dumb...


Let me ask you this, Blues. If you wanted that particular vantage point for your pics, would you not explore it during the daylight first? Would you not ask maintenance personnel familiar with the building for some tips? From what I learned about you on this forum, I bet that you would all that and probably more.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm

Blues wrote: I might choose to call him adventurous or curious rather than dumb...


You sure have a strange sense of adventure. To me an adventure is a mountain climb or a canoe trip into a wilderness area, prepared for whatever many happen.

Going up a ladder on a tower on top of a downtown building, in the dark, and after probably drinking and where you have no business being and have zero idea what the dangers are is dumb.

As for warning signs he probably would have ignored them. Just like the folks in the Grand Canyon and Yosemite who ignore the signs and the railings and go next to the edge in order to get that 'perfect picture'. And it is the last thing they do.

http://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Death-G ... r+the+edge

http://www.amazon.com/Off-Wall-Yosemite ... im_sbs_b_2
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Blues » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:08 pm

Pego wrote:
Blues wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
Blues wrote: Since he didn't break in, it'll be interesting to know what, if any, posted warnings he ignored.


Lord, protect us because we are too dumb to do it ourselves...


I'll agree with you if and only if he knew he was walking on top of a giant smokestack. If he thought it was an additional observation deck or something similar (since it was in the area of the hotel's observation deck and obviously not made to look like a smokestack), and if there were no warnings to the contrary and no locks on the doors or ladders, I might choose to call him adventurous or curious rather than dumb...


Let me ask you this, Blues. If you wanted that particular vantage point for your pics, would you not explore it during the daylight first? Would you not ask maintenance personnel familiar with the building for some tips? From what I learned about you on this forum, I bet that you would all that and probably more.


I applaud you for being able to confidently predict my actions just from reading my posts in this group... In this case however, I might have taken at least a calculated risk, if I felt that it might be my only opportunity for a once in a lifetime photo. Asking maintenance personnel for tips might ruin a great opportunity, and if my first trip there was at night and I had access, I might not risk losing that access by waiting til another time. It's all about the chance for a unique photo, and being passionate about the hobby.

Below is a photo of the smokestack and ladder Mr. Wieme climbed, from the viewpoint he would have seen it from on the floor of the regular observation deck prior to climbing to the top, although obviously it was dark out and the tower was lit by colored spotlights rather than daylight. If I didn't realize that it was a smokestack and assumed it was another observation tower, I might have thought about climbing the short distance too if there were no locks and no signs warning me that it was a smokestack (although I probably wouldn't have stepped out onto the top if there was no railing to hold on to..). Even the architecture of the stack could be misleading as to what it was. Anyway, it's no big deal that we disagree, and if I didn't sense a rare opportunity for an incredible photo, I probably wouldn't have considered climbing the ladder.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a397/ ... 86acb4.jpg

Photo source: http://www.chicagocarless.com/2008/05/1 ... ago-hotel/
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Noo Yawkah » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:50 pm

Blues wrote: I'm afraid that if I had a rare opportunity to get a few once in a lifetime photos (like a clear view of Chicago at night from a vantage point at the top of a hotel smokestack), it's possible that I might do a little climbing too.

You could get the clearest view possible, and it would still be Chicago. :twisted:
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Tuariki » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:52 pm

As Darwin would have said, what he ignored was the "common sense" sign
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Blues » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:39 am

Tuariki wrote:As Darwin would have said, what he ignored was the "common sense" sign


Okay, but I think each person's definition of a "common sense" sign varies, based on what the individual's goals are, what the foreseeable risks are, and whether the individual feels he or she can overcome any foreseeable risks.

Again, IF there were no clear posted warnings, and since the entrances weren't locked, and considering that he may have felt it was an opportunity for some once in a lifetime unobstructed views and photos of the city at night, I can understand the desire of a person who might have been dedicated to photography to climb a mere 20 feet to the top of a ladder that was on the regular hotel observation deck, especially if he wasn't warned that it led to the top of a smokestack rather than to the top of another observation deck. If, on the other hand, he ignored all kinds of clear and visible warnings and should have realized that he was climbing a few feet from the observation deck to the top of a smokestack, then he obviously made some not very wise decisions.

On a personal note, I usually carry close to four thousand dollars of high end equipment in my camera bag. For those who don't have the same reasons for doing that, I wouldn't expect them to have the exact same definition of common sense that I have when it comes to an opportunity to get a very unique photo... I haven't had the opportunity to climb a tower at night, but I'd be willing to bet that I've gotten a lot closer to potentially dangerous animals and venomous snakes in the wild in order to get a great or unique close up photo than many people with less interest in photography would... Different strokes for different folks.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby Pego » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:21 am

Blues wrote:I've gotten a lot closer to potentially dangerous animals and venomous snakes in the wild


Since you are still here, that indicates that you never crossed the boundaries of "common sense" whatever that may be in different situations. The late Mr Wieme did and as a result, he is no longer with us.
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Re: Yet another Darwin Award candidate

Postby tandfman » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:41 am

Pego wrote:
Blues wrote:I've gotten a lot closer to potentially dangerous animals and venomous snakes in the wild

Since you are still here, that indicates that you never crossed the boundaries of "common sense" whatever that may be in different situations.

I disagree. Not everyone who takes foolish risks pays the price immediately. But if you continue to cross the boundaries of common sense repeatedly, it becomes more likely that at some point something bad will happen.
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