ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]


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ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby MJR » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:10 pm

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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Marlow » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:24 pm

Very sad. It's a good thing we have MileSplit, but Dyestat was the first great HS T&F/CC site.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:54 am

Normally I wouldn't endorse such a thing, but in this case I must make an exception. If you have a big-enough hard drive (a BD-R/RE may very well suffice), and a program like ZipUpTheWeb (or any program that captures the entire contents of a Web site from the selected page down to its subdivisions, and compresses it into a .ZIP file or any other archive file), grab http://archive.dyestat.com. History like this should not be condemned to the 4 winds and completely forgotten.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Chris Kuykendall » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 am

Letsrun.com has more discussion so far than here. I'm not sure what the conclusions are as to what happens next. I've used mainly the DyeStat seach engine.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby guru » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:31 am

The Dyestat archives(content prior to ESPN takeover in 2008) are a standalone site, so I suspect they survive. Anything after '08 I wouldn't bet on being available once ESPN shutters ESPN Rise
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby eman » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:23 pm

When you type in http://www.dyestat.com you get this http://search.espn.go.com/high-school-track/. So I guess it is really over.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Walt Murphy » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:39 am

You can still access some features, including past performance lists, here:
http://dyestat.rise.espn.go.com/

I'll say this one more time--the creation and growth of Dyestat was one of the greatest developments in the sport that I've ever seen.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Marlow » Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:01 am

Walt Murphy wrote:I'll say this one more time--the creation and growth of Dyestat was one of the greatest developments in the sport that I've ever seen.

Amen! I found it in 1999, just in time to have a sense of national HS T&F, while my daughter was still competing. It was like manna from heaven. When this place opened in 2003, my fondest T&F desires had been met.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Smoke » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:09 am

The important question is what will replace dyestat? Are there any alternatives currently out there?
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby MJR » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:24 am

The milesplit.com franchise is about the closest thing. Fewer multimedia offerings, but more personal involvement from athletes and coaches is available. Additionally, the meet management software they developed is infinitely better than hytek.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby Marlow » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:14 am

MJR wrote:The milesplit.com franchise is about the closest thing. Fewer multimedia offerings, but more personal involvement from athletes and coaches is available. Additionally, the meet management software they developed is infinitely better than hytek.

Yes, the Florida member, flrunners.com, is superb!
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:58 am

Athletic.net for stats.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby wamego relays champ » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:49 am

Smoke wrote:The important question is what will replace dyestat? Are there any alternatives currently out there?


For California prep fans, Rich Gonzalez, the dedicated editor of DyeStatCal.com, plans to carry on:

http://prepcaltrack.com/

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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby nicest person ever » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:20 pm

Does anyone have any insight into just how much money it would take to keep dyestat afloat?

I know I would personally be willing to give some of my own money via paypal to help out, if the costs are within reason, and am wondering if maybe enough others are too, maybe we could get dyestat restarted and pay for the servers ourselves?

Unless its a staff/admin/moderator issue of them not wanting to operate the site anymore? Or like, if the operators of the site had a salary (in which case obviously that would put the costs pretty far out of realistically being able to pay for it with just some donations from a few of us fans).

But... what I mean is, if it was just being operated by volunteer mods and stuff for free, other than the cost of the servers for hosting to the site, then, in theory maybe those costs are low enough that we could pay them if all of us who really want that site back are willing to split up the cost among us if it isn't too brutal?
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:37 pm

Last I heard there were plans to try to do something with some of the staff and the database, but I don't know if ESPN will let them keep the name. Probably not.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby nicest person ever » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:08 am

ah...
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby tandfman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:51 pm

polevaultpower wrote:Last I heard there were plans to try to do something with some of the staff and the database, but I don't know if ESPN will let them keep the name. Probably not.

Obviously, the name isn't as important as the content of the site. It would strike me as unfortunate, though, if John Dye couldn't resume using his own name on a new site. ESPN probably has a contractual right to prevent him from doing that, but why would they want to enforce that right when they've abandoned this particular niche market?

Even worse, though, would be their enforcing a non-compete clause to prevent Dye and those his colleagues who worked for ESPN-DyeStat from setting up a new site to serve the HS T&F community. Again, if they're not interesting in serving that market, they should not be preventing others from serving it.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby gh » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:07 pm

dyetrack.com
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat

Postby j-a-m » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:22 am

gh wrote:dyetrack.com

What's the story here? So far there doesn't seem to be much content on the website.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby MJR » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:28 am

They're starting from scratch while trying to get the rights back to the content they created over the last 15 years.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby wineturtle » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:34 pm

MJR wrote:They're starting from scratch while trying to get the rights back to the content they created over the last 15 years.


MJR who exactly is them?
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:22 pm

wineturtle wrote:
MJR wrote:They're starting from scratch while trying to get the rights back to the content they created over the last 15 years.


MJR who exactly is them?


I'm not sure, it's just a skeleton crew. Maybe Derek Dye and Steve Underwood?
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby guru » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:04 pm

As noted on www.dyetrack.com today, funding attempts failed and the site will close, officially marking the end of an era.

ESPN closed its ESPNHS division, including DyeStat, on September 14. We tried hard in recent weeks to obtain new funding, but these efforts came to dead ends. Therefore, we deeply regret to announce that DyeStat is ending after 15 years, the last four with ESPN.
We have negotiated for the return of DyeStat assets, including the domain name and prior content. We will reopen dyestat.com soon as an archive site to preserve access to the history of high school track since 1997. Derek Dye’s magnificent TFX database will also be accessible for data mining.

As I say in my farewell message to Dyestatters, thanks for the memories.

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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:54 pm

They are trying to get the databases with the info from 1997 forward to be accessible.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby guru » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:03 pm

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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:33 pm

With all due respect, the Milesplit network has replaced it as the HS site to go.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby polevaultpower » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:23 pm

Marlow wrote:With all due respect, the Milesplit network has replaced it as the HS site to go.


For news and other media coverage, absolutely. For pure stats, the country is divided between athletic.net and Milesplit. Most east coast states have excellent data in Milesplit and the west coast is dominated by athletic.net.
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Re: ESPN closing Dyestat [but.....]

Postby bad hammy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:04 am

Milesplit does have a streaming channel on Roku boxes, for whatever that's worth.
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