Pelpa wrote:VCB said something golden, she said that she is happy for the US team and more importantly, happy for women. Tearing down this barrier was very important today
I am the Father of 2 girls (and a son). My oldest daughter and I watched and shared this race together.
She was glued to the TV and in awe of how fast the baton flew around the track by both the Americans and Jamaicans.
It was a great teaching moment that anything is possible with effort and commitment as these talented sprinters showed.
The sportsmanship shown between the American and Jamaican (as well as other) relay teams at the end was a wonderful moment.
Pelpa wrote:VCB said something golden, she said that she is happy for the US team and more importantly, happy for women. Tearing down this barrier was very important today
I like VCB's thinking. I think under the right conditions, Sally Pearson also has the ability to help out the women's cause.
I like VCB's thinking also .I think that the women will now start to push the 100m record not so much the 200m one .
After watching the NBC broadcast, I would give these grades to the three passes:
1: B+, Madison came up on Felix. We all know that Felix doesn't get out of the blocks well, but that's exacerbated when she doesn't have starting blocks. Felix was better than she was in Daegu when Knight almost ran past her, but she still needs to improve her first 20 meters.
2: A+, I wouldn't change a thing, other than having Knight lose a few #'s so she can realize her true sub-11, sub-22 potential.
3: A-, I think this pass, though not as conservative as in previous years, still didn't push the envelope. I would have Jeter leave a little earlier so that she gets the stick in the second half of the zone.
The good news is that they left a couple of tenths of seconds on the track and they can go faster.
jazzcyclist wrote:After watching the NBC broadcast, I would give these grades to the three passes:
1: B+, Madison came up on Felix. We all know that Felix doesn't get out of the blocks well, but that's exacerbated when she doesn't have starting blocks. Felix was better than she was in Daegu when Knight almost ran past her, but she still needs to improve her first 20 meters.
2: A+, I wouldn't change a thing, other than having Knight lose a few #'s so she can realize her true sub-11, sub-22 potential.
3: A-, I think this pass, though not as conservative as in previous years, still didn't push the envelope. I would have Jeter leave a little earlier so that she gets the stick in the second half of the zone.
The good news is that they left a couple of tenths of seconds on the track and they can go faster.
Agree 100% with this. I cringed when Madison stumbled after the pass but no harm came of it.
jazzcyclist wrote:After watching the NBC broadcast, I would give these grades to the three passes:
1: B+, Madison came up on Felix. We all know that Felix doesn't get out of the blocks well, but that's exacerbated when she doesn't have starting blocks. Felix was better than she was in Daegu when Knight almost ran past her, but she still needs to improve her first 20 meters.
2: A+, I wouldn't change a thing, other than having Knight lose a few #'s so she can realize her true sub-11, sub-22 potential.
3: A-, I think this pass, though not as conservative as in previous years, still didn't push the envelope. I would have Jeter leave a little earlier so that she gets the stick in the second half of the zone.
The good news is that they left a couple of tenths of seconds on the track and they can go faster.
I'm still hung up on jester's anchor leg Jesus i mean she was literally floating i just cant get over it
I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
aaronk wrote:I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
Are you kidding me ? seriously ? did you not see those Americans run , Jesus i mean they were hell for leather ,and the Jamaicans did not run slow it is just that the Americans were flying .Plus with sherone and kerron our team would not have been good enough for 41.00
aaronk wrote:I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
Are you kidding me ? seriously ? did you not see those Americans run , Jesus i mean they were hell for leather ,and the Jamaicans did not run slow it is just that the Americans were flying .Plus with sherone and kerron our team would not have been good enough for 41.00
Why do you dog Kerron and Sherone? The women set a national record!!!!!! If you are so set against them hen who would you have replaced them with Einstein?
aaronk wrote:I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
Are you kidding me ? seriously ? did you not see those Americans run , Jesus i mean they were hell for leather ,and the Jamaicans did not run slow it is just that the Americans were flying .Plus with sherone and kerron our team would not have been good enough for 41.00
Why do you dog Kerron and Sherone? The women set a national record!!!!!! If you are so set against them hen who would you have replaced them with Einstein?
No one was dogging Kerron and Sherone , I'm just saying that they would have never run a 41.00 without them being at full sharpness . I'm excited about the prospect of the girls running faster when everyone is back to full strength
Super impressed by all, but yeah, Bianca -- as the runner who wasn't part of the 100 meter top three -- really provided very, very solid legs, but even more so: great passes and just the "glue" that kept it together, IMO. Saw her a lot back in her prep days and just have to say, Bravo for her!
Dutra5 wrote:Biana Knight ran two great legs for the US and showed that it's how fast the baton moves around the track and not how fast the legs are being run.
Watching the race a 2nd, 3rd time, I was surprised to see how close the US/Jamaican baton passes were. It seemed like Jamaica was passing early in the zone, while US was utilizing more of the zone? (and opening a lead after Felix's leg).
aaronk wrote:I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
Not sure if they were tired, or just not into their leg placement. Fraser-Pryce didn't blow away the American first leg, and VCB didn't blow away the American third leg, while Stewart got blown away by Jeter on the Anchor.
Has anybody yet got accurate splits from zone mid-points? It looked to me like Felix blew it open on the second leg, but Jeter might have been even faster.
(the 2nd and 4th legs *should* be faster, being on straightaways)
Randy Treadway wrote:Has anybody yet got accurate splits from zone mid-points? It looked to me like Felix blew it open on the second leg, but Jeter might have been even faster.
(the 2nd and 4th legs *should* be faster, being on straightaways)
I still cant wrap my head around Jeter and that anchor I mean ........... im lost for words
If the men's record was broken by same margin (percentagewise), it would be 46.55!! Guess the 41.37 WAS soft. But 27 years ain't a bad run... tonight, we can all be glad it stood that long. A beamonesque record-breaking. The men have a hard act to follow tomarrow. Gonna be e-p-i-c.......!!
Thank you USA coaches for not putting Jeneba Tarmoh in the final. Dropped baton for sure. Now I just have to worry about Doc Patton. My bottle of Tums is empty. I got to go to the store by tomorrow.
In my race call, after noting that Jamaica didn't have any horrid passes, yet the U.S. had an incomprehensible lead after Jeter took off, that translated to only one thing to me, hence my roaring of "what is this?!" (which I'm sure was lost in the general din) about 40m out, because I knew the WR was toast. I just had no idea by how much it would be.
The race was still fairly close until the final handoff. This is where Jeter opened up a significant lead on Stewart within the first few meters. Kerron Stewart already wasn't going to catch or even hold off Jeter, but she once again showed that she simply must get away quicker.
Jeter had a tremendous anchor leg but I think it'might fall short to the likes of Marion 2000 Sydney, Ottey 1991 Tokyo or Arron 1998 Budapest.
aaronk wrote:I only saw the race once (so far), but I'm wondering why Jamaica ran so "slow"!! If the US girls can do 40.82, then the Jamaica girls should've been right with them. Even if beaten, they should've been capable of a 40.90, say, or at least 41.00. They have the wheels!!
So, with all due respect, I ask "What happened"?? Was it their passing??
A FANTASTIC race by itself....but it would've been even better if Jamaica had run a sub-41 too. I KNOW they can!!
Are you kidding me ? seriously ? did you not see those Americans run , Jesus i mean they were hell for leather ,and the Jamaicans did not run slow it is just that the Americans were flying .Plus with sherone and kerron our team would not have been good enough for 41.00
And the Jamaicans did run a national record, which was also the third fastest of all time....
Congrats to the US on a phenomenal run, and it's good to see THAT East German record erased from the books....
USA : great job of getting the stick thru the zones effectively and great preparation with Penn and Monaco. Drummond deserves kudos as well. Madison has shown she ranks with the Gladisch and Browns on start leg, Felix is as good as they come. Knight held on and Jeter ran away from Jam.
JAM : poor (wo)man management. Frazer is not a relay starter and is not a closer. That should remove her from start and anchor considerations. 2008 and 2011 shows her relay starts are average. Her race pattern shows she is not a closer. Simpson does not handle the stick. A Simpson, Stweart, Frazer, VCB combo is the best Jam can out out there, still not good enough but you get the best out of what you got.
One thing that I noticed is that neither Felix, Knight or Jeter "waited" on the baton. I'm so used to seeing national teams on which the runners take off at 70%-80%, but never commit to 100% of their acceleration until after they get the baton. Today it appeared as though all three of the outgoing runners were fully committed to accelerating once they took off, which means that the baton didn't slow down as much as it has in the past.
Also, look at Jeter's go-mark compared to the go-marks for the other anchors, it's right on top of her. Fortunately, she ignored her go-mark and left early, about where the other go-marks were located, otherwise Knight would have run past her, the exchange would have been really sloppy and they might not have gotten the record. If it was Drummond's idea to put the go-mark right on top of her, credit needs to be given to Jeter for ignoring him and making it possible to break the record. But why Jeter's go-mark would placed so conservatively in the first place is beyond me.
The Flying Pigdog wrote:The race was still fairly close until the final handoff. This is where Jeter opened up a significant lead on Stewart within the first few meters. Kerron Stewart already wasn't going to catch or even hold off Jeter, but she once again showed that she simply must get away quicker.
Jeter had a tremendous anchor leg but I think it'might fall short to the likes of Marion 2000 Sydney, Ottey 1991 Tokyo or Arron 1998 Budapest.
Fairly close????
That had nothing to do with how hard she went out. It was over by the second change
The Flying Pigdog wrote:The race was still fairly close until the final handoff. This is where Jeter opened up a significant lead on Stewart within the first few meters. Kerron Stewart already wasn't going to catch or even hold off Jeter, but she once again showed that she simply must get away quicker.
Jeter had a tremendous anchor leg but I think it'might fall short to the likes of Marion 2000 Sydney, Ottey 1991 Tokyo or Arron 1998 Budapest.
Fairly close????
That had nothing to do with how hard she went out. It was over by the second change
I agree with you, by the time Jeter got the stick, it was all over but the shoutin'.
