tracknut2012 wrote:With Blake on the third leg, Bolt will have a lead at the start of the anchor and smash the world record in 36.85.
I hope the US have the lead when Bolt gets the stick. If Blake gives it to him with a lead, the race will be a blowout. It would be an infinitely more exciting race if Bolt has to run down Gatlin for gold.
If Bolt has to run down Gatlin, it should be a cakewalk just like he ran him down in the 100m.
The best order for the US is Kimmons, Gatlin, Gay, Bailey. I think that's what they did on Monaco and with good handoffs they should be fine. Kimmons is the slowest of the group and a pretty good starter. Gay can run the turn, and Gatlin should run the longer leg. If their handoffs are as good as the US women, I can see 37 flat. If Powell runs for Jamaica and is healthy, they could go 36.8 or 36.9. In that case they go someone...(carter, frater), blake, bolt, powell. if powell is out, then bolt should anchor.
Here's food for thought. Assuming Gay and Bailey replace Patton and Kimmons, the U.S. would theoretically run 36.75 if they matched the women's passing efficiency.
americantrackfan wrote:The best order for the US is Kimmons, Gatlin, Gay, Bailey. I think that's what they did on Monaco and with good handoffs they should be fine. Kimmons is the slowest of the group and a pretty good starter. Gay can run the turn, and Gatlin should run the longer leg. If their handoffs are as good as the US women, I can see 37 flat. If Powell runs for Jamaica and is healthy, they could go 36.8 or 36.9. In that case they go someone...(carter, frater), blake, bolt, powell. if powell is out, then bolt should anchor.
LMAO If Bolt is more than 3 meters down he will not catch anyone we have on anchor. Simple fact. Running start is not the same, this is not the 200, he is not that far ahead of anyone in a 100 or less. Asafa did not catch Leroy and he was a 10.1, we have a choice between 9.79 and 9.88 for anchor. Please stop the fantasies. It is very likely the US leads going into the anchor leg. All comes down to the battle on the bend.
jazzcyclist wrote:Here's food for thought. Assuming Gay and Bailey replace Patton and Kimmons, the U.S. would theoretically run 36.75 if they matched the women's passing efficiency.
That's a huge "if". Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. I wouldn't bet the car on it.
Smoke wrote:It is very likely the US leads going into the anchor leg. All comes down to the battle on the bend.
And the passes. The first two passes today weren't so great. If they can improve on those tomorrow, they might indeed set up the anchor with an insurmountable lead.
jazzcyclist wrote:Here's food for thought. Assuming Gay and Bailey replace Patton and Kimmons, the U.S. would theoretically run 36.75 if they matched the women's passing efficiency.
That's a huge "if". Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. I wouldn't bet the car on it.
I didn't think the women would improve on their prelim passing but they did.
uakari wrote:amazing tom hammond, managed to miss japan in the 2nd heat, which finished 2nd, as he's rattling off 3 or 4 of the other teams.
Tom Hammond has not got the slightest idea of how to watch a race. He also doesn't know who/which teams are likely to be in contention, which, of course, is part of knowing how to watch a race. Everyone involved in putting him in the anchor position for athletics deserves censure. Cheers, Alan Shank
The Green and Yellow will go with Carter-Frater-Blake-Bolt (1 new X-Ch and the easiest to make). Their X-ch's will be better than the prelim.
The US will stay with two-subs and go with Kimmons-Gatlin-Gay-Bailey ( two new X-Ch's) Why the change in order? Drummond thinks he is confusing the competiton with his changes and secrecy.
The US men should study the women's passes: two-pt stance by all three for better sight-lines. (Their first X-Ch was the worst but Madison gave them a sizable lead)
Only Gatlin has a US medal. The US is desperate for a win. When you are desperate for a win you press too hard. When you press too hard bad things happen (seeTeam GB). Don't be like Team GB. Remember technique is more important than effort. Relax, Move the stick, Break the American record again.
Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
uakari wrote:amazing tom hammond, managed to miss japan in the 2nd heat, which finished 2nd, as he's rattling off 3 or 4 of the other teams.
I've been fortunate enough to miss the amazing Tom Hammond and NBC in favor of British Eurosport, thankfully. I would imagine Tom has missed pretty much the whole competition despite his favorite listing of "key qualifiers".
NBC is pretty pleased, it would seem, with poor quality, ineptitude.
It looked like Talbot couldn't catch Gemili and then Gemili put is hand in a really strange place, as he has a bad shoulder and then panicked and moved it
I'm really excited by him though
He's very mature and he'll do well in the future
That's the disadvantage of putting an athlete who's relatively new to athletics in the relay....
bearraccoon wrote:Prediction for final. Jamaica wins in 37.02 WR. USA 2nd in 37.18.
Jamaica's going 36 tomorrow,and the USA team might as well.
I will be at the Olympic stadium today, and I don't care if it's a WR or not...I just want to see gold. This American team is a pretty decent one, and I'm nervous....
Pelpa wrote:Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
It should be a much closer race in the final than most probably though before these semis. Considering the difference of speed that Gay and Baliey have over Patton and Demps, then adding Bolt to the Jamaican team, it almost certain they will both go sub 36, the question is by how much...
uakari wrote:amazing tom hammond, managed to miss japan in the 2nd heat, which finished 2nd, as he's rattling off 3 or 4 of the other teams.
I've been fortunate enough to miss the amazing Tom Hammond and NBC in favor of British Eurosport, thankfully. I would imagine Tom has missed pretty much the whole competition despite his favorite listing of "key qualifiers".
NBC is pretty pleased, it would seem, with poor quality, ineptitude.
Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
DJG wrote:Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
You're implying that Hammond and Boldon are doing voice-overs, but that's just speculative. Perhaps gh can clear this up.
By the way, did you notice where Jeter placed her go mark? It was right on top of her and a lot closer than all the other go-marks, but luckily she ignored it and left early, otherwise Knight would have run past her and the third exchange would have been terrible.
DJG wrote:Even with knowing before hand what will happen Hammond seems clueless. NBC is so used to incompetence it wouldn't know good quality if it kicked them in the Arse.
I've watched the live stream on the NBC site, thankfully they are using some other commentators.
You're implying that Hammond and Boldon are doing voice-overs, but that's just speculative. Perhaps gh can clear this up.
By the way, did you notice where Jeter placed her go mark? It was right on top of her and a lot closer than all the other go-marks, but luckily she ignored it and left early, otherwise Knight would have run past her and the third exchange would have been terrible.
JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
DJG wrote:JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
I'm thinking Drummond wanted to go really conservative and Jeter put the mark where she was instructed to, but once the race started she said, "Screw him, we're gonna run fast today". If that's the case, Drummond is getting more credit than he deserves.
There are pluses and minuses with the two-point stance. The three point stance is faster, but the two-point stance reduces the opportunities for mishaps. I think the same runners who ran yesterday are probably capable of running 40.5-40.6 by stretching the 1st and 3rd exchanges a little more and using three-point stances.
DJG wrote:JC, I did. Maybe Jeter mis-counted her steps (does happen) or more likely they just wanted the baton in her hand ASAP. Definitely like the 2-pt stances from the outgoing runners. If Felix and Jeter had run the prelim, adjustments can be made and both those passes get much better.
While looking at how much the old record was broken by (.55 sec) people should keep in mind that it should have been broken three times since '85 - 41.2, 41.14, 40.94 in the normal progression of things.
I'm thinking Drummond wanted to go really conservative and Jeter put the mark where she was instructed to, but once the race started she said, "Screw him, we're gonna run fast today". If that's the case, Drummond is getting more credit than he deserves.
There are pluses and minuses with the two-point stance. The three point stance is faster, but the two-point stance reduces the opportunities for mishaps. I think the same runners who ran yesterday are probably capable of running 40.5-40.6 by stretching the 1st and 3rd exchanges a little more and using three-point stances.
The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
Pelpa wrote:Might have been covered earlier, but wouldn't it be a gamble to put a 9.80 Tyson recovering from surgery and who hasn't run a serious 200 all season on 3rd to compete against a 9.75 19.44 Blake?
Isn't Drummond scared he blows out a tyre?
In this gun fight no one wants to win a silver or bronze.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
We take enough risk using two-subs, we don't need to compound those risks with more risks on the exchanges.
DJG wrote:The most important thing is to leave on time. To leave on time you must consistently see the One go-mark clearly, not two go-marks like the US colleges. If the runner from a two-Pt stance gets caught early, like Madison to Jeter, you adjust the go-mark. You do not go to the 3-pt and make it harder to see. Not one other team used 2-pt stances in the women's final that I could see. You want perfection. I want consistent, solid, clean, smooth handoffs. The US women delivered. That's good enough for me. The men would be wise to follow suit.
I fully understand your rationale for the two-point stance and it makes a lot of sesne, but like you said, it's a trade-off between perfection and consistency. It's a question of how much risk are you willing to take in order to run a little faster.
We take enough risk using two-subs, we don't need to compound those risks with more risks on the exchanges.
Did you know that the French also used the two-point stance when they set the world record in 1990?
ATK wrote:It should be a much closer race in the final than most probably though before these semis. Considering the difference of speed that Gay and Baliey have over Patton and Demps, then adding Bolt to the Jamaican team, it almost certain they will both go sub 36, the question is by how much...
Yeah, if all the exchanges are fine, then sub-37 seems possible for both teams.
